The idea with the “Famous Last Words” post, was to visually transmit a message, which seemed opportune with the blog’s information flow.
We either missed our set out objective, or we’ve spawned up more curiosity than expected about this video, as some readers have asked us to fully translate the subtitles.
This video, we remind you, up to now only served two purposes: the first, to “prove” that Mrs Fenn did indeed live in the apartment G5, the one exactly above the 5A; and second, to show how Mrs Fenn was not exactly a stranger in telling a fib, with such passion that only time would reveal how much so she was able to pull one off.
The latter has been said so, again and again, in our blog
The first, might just be the subject of a future post
But back to the video and its subtitles.
Here are their literal translation:
“Sinceramente, não sei de nada“ / “Sincerily, I don’t know anything“
“Estou aqui há três meses“ / “I've been here for three months“
“e, durante esse período de tempo, nunca falei com um jornalista“ / “and during that period of time, I’ve never talked to a journalist“
“A imprensa inglesa só tem publicado disparates“ / “The English press has only published nonsense“
“e eu não disse uma única palavra“ / “and I haven’t said single word“
“Nunca… são só disparates“ / “Never… it’s all nonsense“
“Por favor, esqueçam isso“ / “Please, forget that“
Not wanting our readers to lose any information, here’s the actual video.
It was aired Aug 22nd, 2007 (a Wednesday):
Transcription of the original:
“A Judiciaria voltou a ouvir já esta semana a octogenária inglesa que mora por cima do apartamento de onde Maddie desapareceu, mas Pamela Fenn, incomodada com a atenção dos jornalistas negou ter falado com a polícia e disse não ter qualquer informação sobre o caso
Aos 81 anos o sossego desta reformada britânica parece ter sido seriamente abalado, depois de um desabafo na cabeleireira, a notícia de que era testemunha no processo de Maddie rapidamente chegou ao ouvido dos jornalistas. Pamela Fenn mora no andar por cima do 5ºA o apartamento de onde a menina desapareceu. Segundo terá contado à polícia, na véspera de Madeleine desaparecer, à noite, ouviu a criança chorar e chamar pelo pai durante longos minutos.
Isso, e o facto de passar a maior parte to tempo na varanda com vista para o restaurante Tapas, terá feito a policia regressar ao Ocean Club na manhã de segunda-feira. Durante cerca de quatro horas os investigadores mostraram-se particularmente interessados em perceber se a senhora tinha visto alguém do grupo dos McCann sair do restaurante para ir ver as crianças, e no conteúdo duma breve conversa que Pamela teve com a mãe de Maddie na noite em que a menina desapareceu.
Incomodada por estar agora sobre a mira dos jornalistas a idosa inglesa nega ser testemunha no processo e garante que o que diz a imprensa é pura especulação.
“Honestly, I’ve… I know nothing. I’ve been here for three months… until all this happened I’ve never spoken to a journalist, they’ve written rubbish in the English papers, I haven’t even uttered a word!
I never (sighs)… it’s all rubbish!
Please, please, just forget it”
Quanto ao casal McCann tem casa alugada na Praia da Luz até à segunda semana de Setembro. Apesar de terem deixado de frequentar o Ocean Club, Kate e Gerry continuam a fazer compras no supermercado ali perto. Esta quarta-feira o carro esteve estacionado a escassos metros da porta de Robert Murat o empresário inglês que por enquanto ainda se mantém como único arguido no processo.”
The translated transcription:
“The PJ has heard again, this week, the British octogenarian who lives above the apartment from where Maddie disappeared, but Pamela Fenn, botherered by the journalists’ attention, denied having spoken with the police and said she didn’t have any information about the case
At the age 81 the quietness of this retired British woman seems to have been seriously shaken, after an outburst at the hairdresser, the news that she was a witness in Maddie’s process quickly reached the journalists’ ears. Pamela Fenn lives on the floor above apartment 5 A from where the girl disappeared. According to what she might have told the police, on the day before Madeleine disappeared, that night, she heard the child crying and calling for her father for long minutes.
That, and the fact that she spends most time on the veranda with a view to the Tapas restaurant, made the police return to the Ocean Club on Monday morning. For about four hours the investigators were particularly interested to see if she had seen someone from the MCCann group leave the restaurant to go check on the children, and on the content of the brief conversation that Pamela had with Maddie’s mother on the night the girl disappeared.
Bothered to be under the journalists’ sights, the English elderly denies being a witness in the process and ensures that what the press says is pure speculation.
“Honestly, I’ve… I know nothing. I’ve been here for three months… until all this happened I’ve never spoken to a journalist, they’ve written rubbish in the English papers, I haven’t even uttered a word!
I never (sighs)… it’s all rubbish!
Please, please, just forget it”
As for the McCann couple they’ve a rented house in Praia da Luz until the second week of September. Despite having left attending the Ocean Club, Kate and Gerry continue to shop at the nearby supermarket. This Wednesday the car was parked a few meters from Robert Murat’s door, the English businessman who still remains as the sole “arguido” in the process.”
Don't forget. This was SIC.
Curious...the SIC reporter says that Mr. Fenn denied ever having talked, yet that IS NOT what we hear in the piece. She says she never talked to any journalists (british), she does not say she never went to the police to make a statement. She hardly could, could she? It was on official record, but, thinking it over, by that time she, no one in fact, expected the police records to be made public...maybe she felt she could get away with denying it all.
ReplyDeleteHer statement was made on the 20th August, this video is from two days later only, I wonder how the british media got to know of her visit to the PJ and the statement she made...did she boast about her little visit to the PJ in the hair salon...?
Hi Textusa. A pleasure to read as usual. Just a small suggestion...since this is a "blog of record" (as in "The Times" - "newspaper of record") you could have added for the benefit of "neophytes" a transcript of Mrs. Fenn's actual statement to the PJ just in case people are mislead by her impromptu "press conference".
ReplyDeleteYou already have commentators using the expression "Mrs. Fenn BT and AT" (before and after Textusa) which could easily suggest to a "passer-by" Mrs. Fenn never told the PJ what she is on record as having said. Perhaps her "tribal instincts" got the better of her in the end - ideology hangs in the ether like an episteme, you know .
Here is the relevant excerpt:
Witness statement of Pamela Fenn PJ Files:
Processo IX, pages 2412 to 2414
Date: 2007/08/20
Time: 15H30
"She states that on the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22H30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger.
Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted "Daddy, Daddy", the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23H45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive..." (quote/unquote)
You have two crowds to lie to:
(1) one made of journalists
(2) another of policemen
to which would you lie and/or tell the truth for that matter?
It's a no brainer :)
Caught the attention of the police because She spends a lot of time seat on her varenda above the 5A and facing the Tapas. Was obviously a privileged spectator to the show that was going on below. Which was probably a quite show, with 2 or 3 people, including G moving some luggage away from the 5a. Later probably she saw another movement-the fake abductor holding a fake Madeleine, looking for a witness which should not be the old lady above due to the circumstantial inconveniencies.
ReplyDeleteThe lady suffer from a mouth problem. She talk too much and made some confidences at her hairdresser. The hairdresser had other clients to who she passed the confidences and soon Mrs Fenn become a target for journalists. They want to know what she saw and which conversation she had with Kate McCann on the night Maddie disappeared.
The video is from SIC ( a dubious station on that affair ) but I believe some journalists know exactly what was the confidence Mrs Fenn made to the hairdresser and decide to bother the old lady with very disturbing questions letting her out of the set and forcing her to lie again.
Both, her and Kate tried hard to pass the idea they don't know each other. Even the story Mrs.Fenn told the police about the way she become aware of the girl that went missing just behind her nose, is very suspicious. She must know well the Mccann's . With 3 children is almost impossible to pass unnoticed to a neighbor that spends hours in the veranda. That physical proximity kills any possibility of the crying episode with OC staff involved in calling the parents, to be true. Will be much easier for a old lady to just complaint to the parents, from her veranda and ask if they could manage better their child's.
The new post of Pat Brown is about the Smiths sights V JT. Interesting, I think I can say she is arriving at the same conclusion you sisters, arrived months ahead. The only possibility for the abductor not being Gerry is if he has an alibi for the crucial time around the Smiths sight. I think, he and O'Brien have none. Jez less and less becomes a non independent witness and PJ must have proves for that. On top of that the statements of the Tapas waiters who could be done to protect them regarding the negligence, incriminate Gerry and O'Brien regarding the abduction, because leave them absent from the Table for quite long time. Pat tested the walking way trough the Smiths sight and she says 8 minutes is enough to go trough the Smiths way, dispose a body and come back. According to the waiters, both man were out for more then 8 minutes. Well done, Tapas 9 attraped by their own mud.
Wonder if the Fund will be enough to pay the legal team that needs to be hired by the Tapas 7, the manager of the OC, plus other guests, special the ones involved on the Tapas list, to save them from a so hediondo cover up.
In Portugal, millions of Euros were spend not only in the investigation but also in the search with very expensive tools to cover all the possibilities. All to search a dead girl who disappeared already under that condition and such condition was known by who got involved in the cover up. Portugal will never forgive you. You need to face justice, to dignify the life of Maddie and the life of all potential Maddies. Accidents are imprevisible and could happen under any circumstance with the most careful parents. What happened after, is what has no excuses and cannot be erased under any
permisse.
I can imagine the feeling of millions of honest people who contribute to the Fund, thinking their money was to search and help the girl. They were fooled and must be angry with all that shame.
I have a friend of mine who says that a woman is like an apartment, she may have a great view, but it’s the room disposition and its practicality inside that counts in the end, because, once you get used to the view, you only appreciate it from time to time, while you use the inside of the apartment every day.
ReplyDeleteThis to say, that not only was Mrs Fenn with a room with a view over Tapas. There were many others. And in early May, an elderly lonesome woman wouldn’t spend her evenings on the veranda looking at a deserted bar. And if the bar was filled up and noisy, that would be lesser of a reason to be there.
That is a lame excuse to use to have Fenn’s statement. I remember The Sun reporting it on the 19th that she would be going to the PJ because the PJ didn’t give her any importance! So it was she that went to the Police and not the other way around. SIC is just inventing an excuse as to why she gives the statement.
Why park your car in front of the presumed abductor of your daughter, when there are plenty other parking spaces around? This was August, all the media vans had left already. This means they knew they had nothing to fear from Murat because they already knew he wasn't guilty!
ReplyDeleteAdvocatus @Feb 28, 2012 12:11:00 AM
ReplyDeleteWe suggest you use your own blog to advance your theories, rather than piggyback on others.
Epistemology is not our forte.
Kindly explain it elsewhere.
No, Advocatus, Fenn didn't have two crowds to lie to, she had only one: everyone.
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 9.56
ReplyDeleteIs it possible Mrs Fenn's phone was hacked? Gerry told the Leveson Inquiry his and Kate's phones were not hacked (not that I believe that for a second)but this is a perfect example of the hacking scandal. Who would Mrs Fenn be speaking to? Who would K & G be talking about?
I was questioning why a film crew just happened to be hanging round OC wanting to interview her.
There are so many lies coming from so many people it's better to be sceptical about everything until the truth is obvious.
Mrs Fenn como testemunha do que se tera passado com Maddie a 3 de Maio, e irrelevante. Ja nao e irrelevante como testemunha do cover up que se seguiu.
ReplyDeleteO exercicio para concluir isto, tem de ser feito e e muito simples. Basta olharmos para as datas em que o nome dela comecou a aparecer em publico e para o(s) veiculo(s) que lhe deram visibilidade.
Ate o episodio do choro se tornar publico, ela era uma vizinha desconhecida para todos nos, mas nao para a policia e para os directamente envolvidos nos acontecimentos de 3 de Maio. Alguem quis e lucrou, com a vinda desta senhora a publico. Nao Pode ter sido a PJ que tudo fazia para andar fora dos holofotes dos jornalistas. Portanto sobram poucas opcoes.
E evidente que ela tera sido uma das primeiras testemunhas a ser inquirida pela PJ. O facto de ser vizinha da cena do crime, assim o obrigou. Tera dito que nao viu nada e quanto a mim tera dito a verdade, por razoes obvias:
- quem quer que tenha levado Maddie, num saco ou de corpo a descoberto, fe-lo com a costa limpa. Longe dos olhares indiscretos que meticulosamente controlou. Por isso houve Tms activados em horas cruciais e mensagens deliberada e estrategicamente apagadas. Nem todas foram apagadas. So as incriminatorias. E tiveram tempo para retirarem o corpo do apartmento ja que uma das variaveis estava debaixo do controle do grupo, a hora em que o alarme ia ser dado. Foi as 10, porque a missao estava terminada. Se nao estivesse, podia ser de madrugada ou ao amanhecer. Tambem nao podia ser muito Mais tarde porque quanto Mais tempo o corpo estivesse na cena do crime, mais evidencias libertava e Mais riscos corriam com outras variaveis dificeis de controlar num Resort e numa zona balnear (a luz, o fluxo de pessoas, as limpezas e manutencao do apartamento). Tiveram tempo para controlar a zona envolvente e a rua. Cont
9:56,
ReplyDeleteMccann's or somebody on their behalf manipulated mrs Fenn and ask her a favor- the statement she gave to the police.
A source related with Mccann's passed the information to the British journalists.
Obvious. Was a good business for the Mccann's who had a problem to bake an abduction without evidences, and was a good business for the British tabloids who so desperately were looking for something to print and save their sales.
Cont:
ReplyDeleteNao se sabe a que horas aconteceu o acidente mas sabe-se que os Tapas 7 foram filmados ao fim da tarde num bar da praia. O acidente podia ter acabado de ocorrer ou ocorrido pouco depois. Pelo ar descansado que o grupo apresenta, nao me parece que soubessem de alguma coisa a essa hora. Mas desde essa hora ate as 10, houve muitas horas para controlar a vizinhanca e fazer um percurso que leva 8 minutos a ir e voltar. Tinham de estar dispersos em lugares estrategicos a vigiar, por isso sobrou pouco tempo para estarem juntos e delinearem uma "timeline" coerente e convincente. Isto explica o uso do material Mais a Mao( o activity book de Maddie), a impossibilidade pratica de controis Tao apertados como os que reclamam e claro a inexistencia de qualquer jantar no Tapas.
Claro que Mrs. Fenn tera Sido uma das principais testemunhas controladas por quem levou o corpo. A ultima coisa que queriam era um testemunho fora do grupo a dizer o que viu sair do cenario do crime. Por isso nao admira que ela nao tenha visto nada e tenha Sido descartada pela policia.
O que transforma a sua posicao no jogo e o facto de contactar a policia, meses depois para contar um episodio tao exageradamente marcante que se fosse verdadeiro teria de ser contado no primeiro depoimento. Afinal a crianca chorou forte e demoradamente. Impossivel nao lembrar no dia seguinte e na semana seguinte. A PJ nao e estupida, embora ande alguma gente a querer convincer-nos de que o e.
Em Agosto, ainda os McCann nao tinham Sido constituidos arguidos mas ja Viviam debaixo de um clima de suspeicao que comecava a estrangula-Los. precisavam desesperadamente de golfadas de historias vindas de estranhos, para tentarem inverter a investigacao policial e a opiniao publica. As unicas que interessavam eram as que alimentavam a negligencia qb e os avistamentos da crianca ou do raptor. E aqui que precisamos de ver como se torna conhecido o depoimento de Mrs. Fenn, relativamente ao choro. As files da PJ ainda nao eram publicas, portanto a nao ser a policia, so Mrs. Fenn em condicoes normais saberia deste depoimento, SE O SEU CONTEUDO FOSSE VERDADEIRO E NAO UMA FABRICACAO PARA AJUDAR ALGUEM MUITO PARTICULARMENTE. Quem foi que divulgou a existencia deste depoimento? que me lembre, nao houve nenhuma conferencia de imprensa da PJ a falar nisto. Houve sobre outras coisas como a carta do jornal holandes, mas nao sobre isto.
A historia se nao me engano( e aqui posso estar a errar porque ainda nao analisei toda a informacao disponivel sobre este tema) comecou a ser divulgada pelos jornais ingleses( os de sempre) sempre citando fontes dubias. Se a fonte da informacao nao foi a PJ ( como eu acredito que nao foi porque ja estava debaixo de fogo devido aos leaks sempre atribuidos a eles), essa fonte so pode ter Sido mrs Fenn ou os Mccann. Mrs. Fenn diz a SIC que nao falou com jornalistas ingleses. Mais uma vez, outra bola que FICA jogada pelos McCann, dentro do seu campo de batalha. Afinal so a eles convinha este depoimento e sobretudo, so a eles convinha que o depoimento fosse tornado publico.
Mrs Fenn passou assim de testemunha irrelevante para uma das pecas chave no cover up. E Mais uma vez o The Sun no seu papel " habitué ".
My opinion is that Mrs Fenn was promised that as she was speaking AGAINST the McCanns (rubbing in the negligence) that it would be no problems. After all she was helping the cops blame the copule and not helping them get away.
ReplyDeleteBut what she didn't expect was the way the media wanted her statement to be public. She's convinced over the weekend, goes to the cops on Monday and has the cameras waiting for her on Wednesday. She thought like so may others, like Wilkins, the McCluskey's and so many others that her statement would be heard by the police and that was that, and it wasn't.
The whole thing is staged. The man doesn't help with the bags. Who has opened the door? The man who is waiting downstairs? Or are their other workers inside? If there are, what's he doing downstairs? Why does he need a nod from Fenn to go in the direction she has to go? All staged.
Notice Mrs Fenn at 00:20 on the video:
ReplyDeleteShe takes agrocery bag with her righ hand, turns, doesn't bend down to put it on the floor, and then turns back and with her right hand, reaches up to what we think is to close the trunk. She must've given the bag to someone. On the next shot, she appears to carry the bags all on her own? Who did she pass the grocery bag to? Where is that person? ALL STAGED!!!
Textusa said...
ReplyDeleteAdvocatus @Feb 28, 2012 12:11:00 AM
We suggest you use your own blog to advance your theories, rather than piggyback on others.
Epistemology is not our forte.
Kindly explain it elsewhere."
Are you are asking us to avoid pertinent comments? Is this a blog for "dummies only"? I thought this was the one for the intelligentsia!
Well, at least now we know (do we?) that according to Textusa, Mrs. Fenn lied to the police. Lied to all. I see. Who is paying you my dear? :)
Going back to Pat Brown's. Byyyye!
Advocat
An anonymous left that comment on Joana Morais blog:
ReplyDelete"Are we ever going to find out the truth about the 'bag' that was found in Portugal and said to contain such items as jeans, fleece top, shower curtain, child's green top, rubber band, child's pencil case, and some sort of material, a sheet or blanket? The clothing was said to have traces of previously frozen bodily matter attached to it.
This information was commented on by the McCanns themselves at the time, as they said they hoped it would prove to be a lead of some kind.
Though the UK media said the bag was a carrier bag, the Portuguese said it was a blue/black? suitcase type bag. There is a big difference between the two. Was the description of it being a 'carrier bag' courtesy of Clarence Mitchell?
Did the forensics ever do work on the contents, and if so, what was the outcome? Just what was that all about?"
I never heard about a bag found with this items. Is it true or is a myth?
I read on papers, about a plastic bag found with a towel. And I think was Kate on her statement who said, JT saw the abductor and he was wearing Jeans. JT said on her statement, he was wearing beige trousers.
I have my doubts that an elderly lady like Mrs. Fenn, may her soul be in God's peace, would sit outside on her balcony in those chilly Spring nights. Elderly people tend to take great care not to get colds, they protect themselves from situations that might endanger their health. During the day, catching some warmth from the sun, but not at night, no...
ReplyDeleteAn anonymous left that comment on Joana Morais blog:
ReplyDelete"Are we ever going to find out the truth about the 'bag' that was found in Portugal and said to contain such items as jeans, fleece top, shower curtain, child's green top, rubber band, child's pencil case, and some sort of material, a sheet or blanket? The clothing was said to have traces of previously frozen bodily matter attached to it.
This information was commented on by the McCanns themselves at the time, as they said they hoped it would prove to be a lead of some kind.
Though the UK media said the bag was a carrier bag, the Portuguese said it was a blue/black? suitcase type bag. There is a big difference between the two. Was the description of it being a 'carrier bag' courtesy of Clarence Mitchell?
Did the forensics ever do work on the contents, and if so, what was the outcome? Just what was that all about?"
I never heard about a bag found with this items. Is it true or is a myth?
I read on papers, about a plastic bag found with a towel. And I think was Kate on her statement who said, JT saw the abductor and he was wearing Jeans. JT said on her statement, he was wearing beige trousers.
Good-bye Advocatus.
ReplyDeletePity you're as reliable as Mrs Fenn whenever you say good-bye.
A real pity. Immature souls tend to be that way.
Wonder what Advocatus is doing in Pat Blog. Johanna is there also and managed to drive the attention from Pat to a drain in PDL. Pat replied to her post(s).
ReplyDeleteI had always the feeling that those people know well PDL.
"Who is paying you my dear?" says it all about this people.
Many suspect they are being payed for what they are doing in the Internet. They think, all others drive their lives under the same mercenary rule. Poor guys.... What desperation made to people.
Ah! Ah
ReplyDelete" bye, going back to Pat Blog"
No surprise the BHs are delighted with Pat Blog. Will be like that until she starts debunking Mrs. Fenn statements, the Tapas list and some statements of some guests like the Berrys.
Everything is ok, if the criminal profiler remain keeping the issue as Tapas 9 only.
Up to now, what I see, is a confirmation of what Textusa exposed many months/ years ahead. Just wait until the profiler makes the obvious connections with who was there available and helped with the cover up.
Criminology at his essence, is a science. Science, sometimes take time to prove his steps but there is no way to misinterpretation of some parameters that are very objective.
Advocatus,, you can't resist when the subject is mrs. Fenn, yah?
ReplyDeleteWhat a problem... The lady can't come back and go to court to say she was mistaken and change her roll on the story.
It is clear, she lied to help baking a negligence which could help the Mccann's with abduction if other evidences were found to support it. There is no such evidences.
Over the time, that story become a pile of crimes. The cover up was one of the biggests.
http://m.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2012/02/28/live-with-criminal-profiler-pat-brown
ReplyDeletePat brown will be on Levi Show.
Watch your steps BHs. Soon you will be exposed. She already starts talking about the Carpenters.
Was a surprise for me, she talking about a couple with a girl ( no mention of the condition of the girl) on the early morning of May 4 (before the sunrise).
That makes me thinking of Kate defending she never searched her daughter because was cold, etc, after all the negative feeling her behavior developed on the public.
Did she really never search her daughter or she went out with her husband, before the sun riser and wanted to pass the other message because they were afraid about who could have caught them?
Well, I'll be waiting for the first purpose on this video. Has awakened my curiosity.
ReplyDeleteThe case had been on the media for three months. The first reports that the dogs pointed their noses at the McCanns were already public. This woman supposedly says something in a hairdresser, the hairdresser goes to the cops and the cops rush to PdL. The Sun says it’s because of them that Fenn is going to speak because the cops have ignored her the whole time. When this video is made, she knows she’s gone to the police, but strongly denies the story that journalists have published that we now know were true: she did go to the Police.
ReplyDeleteWhy deny? Fear of reprisals? Who from? The McCanns? Were they some sort of gangsters? Want of privacy? Sure, but a “no comment” would be enough. Or, please address your questions to the police”. Why call rubbish what she knows is true? If her conscience was clear, all she didn’t have to say much, if she wanted to say anything, and could always use Gerry’s favorite argument of “I’m bound by the Portuguese secrecy laws”. No, she clearly says it’s rubbish. Like if she had done an internal job that had to be done, and nobody else was supposed to know any better. Rubbish, yes, Mrs Fenn are your words. Why? Maybe Panda, Edna Glyn or Linda may help…
Mrs Fenn wanted her five minutes of fame, jumping on the Sun bandwagon along with other unreliable witnesses, but what of Murat he has disappeared off the scene we don't hear a word about him now and at one time he was supposed to be suing Jane Tanner another load of misinformation put about to confuse people.
ReplyDeleteI recall Mrs Fenn's daughter talking to journalists at the time and I remember thinking 'here we go again' file it under the 'maddie seen in australia folder' its all utter rubbish then these people attempt to back track about what they have said.
But well done to you Textusa you keep digging and annoying the BH.