I’m hereby replying to the comments placed on the post “For Reflection And Digestion”.
I would like to thank you all. A lot of useful information that I'll certainly keep.
You guys are great and it’s a pleasure to write for you.
Apologise for the telegraphic replies, please don’t be offended.
To those who I have disagreed with, by now you should know that I say what’s on my mind. .
If wrong, am the first to correct.
Only one irrelevant comment, from Yawn, who showed her/his true colours, and that as been placed where it belongs: the trash can.
I will post tomorrow morning my opinion about the video from where these pictures came from.
Anonymous said...
When I look for 'Casa Noble- Praia da Luz', up come this:
'Praia da Luz, Lagos, Western Algarve - 2 Bedroom Apartment - Sleeps up to 6
The apartment is a delightful, comfortably furnished first floor accommodation with a balcony'
I'm maybe out of the track, but if you look at the pictures, this apart. is in the Ocean Club. The contact to rent the flat is a UK number and the surname HUBBARD.
For what I can remember from ealy news, GNR dogs signalized Madeleine going from the flat 5A into another flat. I presume was not any of the Tapas flat, otherwise the report will say it.
Just thinking: Mccann's rented a flat who belong to somebody with surname Mccann and in the resort another flat with surname Hubbard. Another hubbard arriving 3 days after she disappeared and become the best friends of Mccann's. Wonder if this flat is near the 5A and faces the car parking.
May 13, 2010 3:57:00 PM
Hubbard will be dealt with in due time. Yes, I think he’s part of the gang but will have to look better into that.
Anonymous said...
I see 2 things upfront:
Who took the pictures didn't even consider your beach entry point C.
And for me to use both the sheds and the boats would mean knowing that area quite well.
It would be dark, so either somebody told him he could put the body there, or he wouldn't have a clue for those places.
Those could be used by a local criminal, not by a tourist.
KY
May 13, 2010 4:15:00 PM
Agree.
Johanna said...
The road to the sea automatically leads you to the fisherman's walk with accesses to the shore. The "stroller" had to take the turn to the right because the Kelly's Bar was to the left. Only the second access to the shore was the one with the sheds and more important, the sewer/overflow covered with plenty of reeds and big enough for a man to access it.
May 13, 2010 4:33:00 PM
No. The Stroller does NOT have to pass anywhere near Kelly’s to go to the sewer.
IRONSIDE said...
Ruth McCann, the owner of apartment 5a lives within a mile of Kates parents.
The Hubbards who claim to have been burgled and had all information with regards to the Mccanns stolen , meet up with Susan Hubbard, in Canada a few weeks later...
May 13, 2010 4:34:00 PM
To be dealt with later.
Anonymous said...
Johanna, What I said about the shed and boats applies to the sewer. Not questioning if it isn't ideal to hide a body, because it is. But he had to know about it before. Or someone tell him. And he had to find it in the dark.
Not pratical. If Gerry was local, then yes, I think it should be considered. But that doesn't seem to be an area he would have gone too, even if he jogged. I know that's where you think he put it, and I don't want to spoil it for you, but I don't agree with you.
Textusa, pic 14, 15 and 16, agree with you that he had plenty of time to not be seen.
Pic 19. It's stupid to go in front.
KY
May 13, 2010 4:45:00 PM
Agree.
Johanna said...
Well if you believe in a death after 5:30 the whole story about a cover-up is not plausible. IMO they had plenty of time to check out the locations, to plan the timeline for the evening and to inform everybody of their duties. The only thing that went wrong, was the Smith sighting which lead to the alibi for the "stroller" for the exact time of the "abduction". Unfortunately Jeremy Wilkins never saw abductorman nor Tanner and was very adamant that they stood at the little gate. This terrible irish family made a mess of the perfect plan...
May 13, 2010 4:58:00 PM
Not clear why the cover-up is not plausible after 17:30. The time spent in “check out the locations, to plan the timeline for the evening and to inform everybody of their duties” is in participating in a cover-up.
IRONSIDE said...
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic28.html
Susan Hubbard witness statement. Susan also seems to have a touch of 'TAPAS Amnesia' when it comes to the 'Key' of the church.
No matter who believes what, with regards to whether it having been a dead Madeleine or a sedated child . The fact remains the description of the child matches perfectly with what the Smiths saw...and this is ALL thanks to Tanner..It WAS the same child...AND if it was the same child it could ONLY be one person carrying said child. Gerry McCann.
May 13, 2010 5:15:00 PM
To be dealt with later.
IRONSIDE said...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3040094.ece
Always a good read...I do not believe for one moment Susan Hubbard and her story at the airport. This article shows how the Mccanns were manipulating the press with their fairy story.
May 13, 2010 5:26:00 PM
To be dealt with later.
IRONSIDE
said... http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/uk/news/article_1349073.php/Father_of_Madeleine_McCann_walks_out_of_Spanish_TV_interview
I saw this interview and the Mccanns were not yet arguidos...but by McCanns actions Maddie DID hurt herself and there WAS blood.
May 13, 2010 5:30:00 PM
To be dealt with later.
Anonymous said...
Maybe out of track, but going back to the Anglican priests who lead the churchs in Algarve. You can see that there is only two reported in the site. One (Hubbard) came to PDL, 3 days after. The other came at the end of May. Who where the priests before this two and why they have been replaced at that time? I feel here the taste of ' embassador replaced'. Now look at the activities proposed by the priests, a part the religious ceremonies- WALKING PATHS. They know better then locals walking paths and they are not talking about regular roads.
May 13, 2010 5:32:00 PM
To be dealt with later. Although the eventual paths that the Hubbard might know of weren’t relevant at the night on question.
Anonymous said...
As usual all very interesting ,I have always believe Maddie died the night Mrs Fenn heard her crying until time she was hidden in the wardrobe (hence cadver scent)until the trip to Heulva ,this gives the mc`s a full day to clean up ,get alibis,find somewhere to hide the body after dark ,like someone says the Smiths threw a spanner in the works ,but it hasnt mattered because everything the mc`s have said has been taken as Gods honest truth
May 13, 2010 6:15:00 PM
The Smiths didn’t throw a spanner into anything THAT night. They were sought after, and found.
ironside said...
Hi Anon 6.15...the night of the 1st is a mystery as so many of the group seem to be confused about that evening..Tuesday...something happened that threw them into 'Drop dead STOP Amnesia'
The Cot..what was that cot doing Wednesday morning in the Mccanns room...why were cots no longer needed when Madeleine died?
I have been reading a little into cots and children who try and climb out of them...there are some horror stories.
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I wish someone had dug a little deeper into what Susan Hubbard meant by Kates worry for the 'Health' of her daughter.
Did she mean a health problem of Madeleines, or was it a normal question a mother would have for their missing child? We will never know...
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Regarding Kate, she says that, besides being preoccupied with the health of her daughter, she was scared of what could have happened to Madeleine although she never spoke of her death.
May 13, 2010 7:48:00 PM
Iron, you know I’m waiting to be convinced about the cots.
Anonymous said... Am posting this as poster had a 4 year old who still slept in a cot...
Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah t(38) I'm amazed when I hear of such young babies climbing out of their cots! I'm just wondering how they do it? I mean, unless they are particularly tall then they surely can't get a knee (or even a foot?)over the top bar? Are they really strong enough to pull themselves up with their arms? Just curious as my DD2 is a real climber and hasn't yet climbed out and she is nearly 19 months.....I'm just waiting for it to happen sometime soon! Sharon - why can they climb out of cots but not travel cots, are the sides higher?
My dd was & still is very small & doesn't carry much weight so I'm guessing when she has good upper arm strength! One of my friend's ds was out of his cot at 6 months! I don't know why dd's never tried to climb out of a travel cot, she's nearly 4 years old now but at childminders still naps in travel cot & never once tried to get out, maybe its the mess netting being a bit slipperly.
Read more: http://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/children-parenting-190/toddlers-pre-schoolers-12-months-4-years-59/339031-toddler-can-climb-out-cot.html#ixzz0nq2i7Y3h
Netmums - the local parenting network
May 13, 2010 8:14:00 PM
To be dealt with later, AFTER Iron convinces me of the relevance of the issue.
Anonymous said...
Anon..3.57...I remember the apartment..it was empty
May 13, 2010 8:15:00 PM
Hubbards, to be dealt with later.
Anonymous said...
Text
Desta vez não assino , a minha identidade fica contigo.Posso perguntar :
Onde está a certeza/prova de que a menina morreu após as 17,30 de 3 de maio de 2007???
E se foi antes??
Abraços e respeitos
May 13, 2010 9:16:00 PM
I haven’t looked into that aspect yet, but have to say that I believe that Maddie’s death happened around 18:30.
Anonymous said...
Anon 6.15...they also chose this day to do this...
The McCanns released an image, on 1 May 2009, two years after her disappearance, of the projected appearance of a 6-year-old Madeleine.
May 13, 2010 9:44:00 PM
To be dealt with later.
Anonymous said...
Gerry Mccann has been to Portugal before. The sticking point is the McCanns apartment owned by a Mccann although no relation she lives so close to the Healys. How do we know McCann has not also been to PDL before.?..answer we don't...
May 13, 2010 9:56:00 PM
Even if he been there before, the sewer is not a place that he’d be acquainted with
Anonymous said...
Joohanna, what basis do you have for saying "Well if you believe in a death after 5:30 the whole story about a cover-up is not plausible"?
Why is it not plausible? How long does it take to inform an entire family about the decease of a dear one? Not speaking of Madeleine but of someone of any family?
They didn't have time to make a few phone calls, but they have time to snoop around town to check everyspot where they could put a body?
This was during, before or after they were seen in Paraiso at 6.15?
May 14, 2010 8:17:00 AM
Share the same opinion
Anonymous said...
PDL is not a new place for GM. He went there with friends on a golfing holiday. Don't know which year it was but there is a photo somewhere on the web of him playing golf in PDL.
The photo showed him as near to the age he was when Madeleine went missing so it could have been taken that year or the previous year.
May 14, 2010 9:14:00 AM
Already answered above
Anonymous said...
Anon @ 8:15
'Empty' did not mean anything. If somebody had the keys, was a perfect place to hide the body at the beginning ( no risk for somebody to spot it). Was that flat checked by GNR on the night 3 with dogs?
If you see the pictures (GNR) of the 5A there is a child blanket and a blue tennis bag, which went missing after the child and at least, regarding the blanket, Kate said to Oprah that who took Madeleine, took the blanket. Who took Madeleine had normal access to the 5A after GNR went there. I can just think of the Mccann's because they were requested to pack their staff and move to another place.
There is a TAPAS 10, 11 on that story. For me, the Hubbards know more then what they want us to believe.
And I don't understand why Susan Hubbard said that the mccann's helped them to set in PDL, if they arrived just one week before and claimed that was their first time in Portugal? They all lie.
May 14, 2010 9:44:00 AM
Although the Hubbards will be dealt with later, here is raised the simplest of solutions to hide the body that night: a house.
Anonymous said...
Is it true the video of Gerry and Madeleine in cafe paraiso? Was the date of the camara correct and May 3 or was before?
May 14, 2010 9:47:00 AM
No indication that the date of the camera was wrong. Only Kate’s camera, apparently, had a problem with its date.
Anonymous said...
Anon 9:47
I read this blog because I find it credible and down-to-earth on its interpretation of fact. Questioning the date of the camcorder is going way into conspiracy territory which I think this blog IS NOT about. There are many other blogs out there that would welcome inputs such as yours. Sorry T & I, just had to say this.
If picture 43 indicates the only direction in which the sewer can be approached from then I also say that Gerry had to know that area VERY well indeed. the golf course is, as far as I know, on the other side of Lagos. Also it seems a likely area where the little girl, if she was lost, and the locals searched for a lost girl, to have been searched by, especially by these locals.
May 14, 2010 10:18:00 AM
Thank you
IRONSIDE said...
Anon 9.44..You raise some excellent points. Mccann was seen with the blue bag afternoon May 3rd. We have seen for ourselves the blue bag in the wardrobe--plus a pair of what maybe beige trousers spread across the double bed. Both of these had disappeared by May 4th.
I have not seen Oprah or know anything about what Kate said on the show. I will see if there is a transcript.
Tanner mentioned in the beginning...she saw a bundle of what may have been a child wrapped in a pink blanket....later denying she had ever mentioned a blanket.
May 14, 2010 10:43:00 AM
To be dealt with later.
IRONSIDE said...
http://www.oprah.com/world/Update-on-the-Search-for-Madeleine-McCann
While searching for Kates comment I found this. Well thats nice Mccann , no luck finding Maddie but you sold lots of T Shirts and wristbands..something positive did come out of the trip then. May 14, 2010 10:53:00 AM
Not related, but thanks, Iron
Johanna said...
A lot of uninformed posts I am afraid.
The McCanns did not go to the Paraiso on the Thursday, only the friends did and were seen on the video footage.
Gerry was in Portugal before on a golfing holiday but in 1994 and near Albufeira.
Regarding the death after 5:30 theory: Apart from the difficulty to organise the elaborate checking system for the evening, I just don't think they would have been mentally capable. And then we have the desperate attempts to show that she was still alive on the 3rd. The lies regarding her having a tennis instruction on the Thursday, the last photo, the twisting and turning of the tapasniks when asked when they saw Madeleine the last time...
May 14, 2010 10:59:00 AM
“Mentally capable” is the key expression here. In my opinion, only Kate lost capability that night. The remainder remained in full possession of their capabilities that night.
Johanna said...
I am afraid Ironside this is wrong. Jane never said she saw a blanket. In her statement from the 4th May she says:
"Meanwhile a man appeared carrying a child, with a hurried walk, it being this detail together with the fact that the child dressed in pyjamas, without being wrapped up in a blanket, that caught her attention.""
The blanket was wrongly added in a daily mail article and Oprah was the one mentioning a blanket not Kate.
May 14, 2010 11:07:00 AM
Thank you for the detail. The blanket issue will be dealt with when focusing on Jane Tanner’s sighting. Which by the way, and this will come as a surprise even for Iron, I believe it happened.
Anonymous said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y42_8vggMNQ
Tanner in retrospect
May 14, 2010 2:28:00 PM
Ain’t she a beauty? So obedient, and yet, has tasted the bitterness of betrail.
IRONSIDE said... http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071224042257AAJlVda
The description and mentioning of the blanket came from many reports...hence how the abductor found himself to be called'Bundleman'.
Thank you Johanna for correcting us all. Attention to detail and sorting fact from fiction is very important to this blogs credibility.
May 14, 2010 2:39:00 PM
To be dealt with later.
Anonymous said...
"What you can say, is that they were very near to find the perfect cover-up for a sloppy crime..."
ok,tex, I guess they found the perfect cover up for the accident/crime then...
I think we have to think the way a cold prepared surgeon did a body hiding...if it was me,I would not take the body to burying it at the beach..too risky..there always is some people(turists) walking there or some odd (homeless) guys.
Dogs or kids might be able to find it as well.
I´d hide the body (temporary) in a good place(boat,appartment,car,freezer).
What we know,Maddie is not in the sea because of the dogs,so gerry & co. had to find a hiding place till they did get the rent car(3 weeks later)this´s quite long time without freezing..but who´s freezer?
They had to have accomplices beside some of the tapas.
Goncalo came to the conclusion her body was in a freezer but he wasn´t able to tell more.
Believe me tex I can´t get it out of my head!
XO Claudia May 14, 2010 3:11:00 PM
Agree. Relax Claudia, we will get there, and I’m counting on you to get there with us! (wink)
Anonymous said...
http://www.the3arguidos.info/topic6611.html
Knowing by Dr.Roberts.
May 14, 2010 3:38:00 PM
Interesting, but not related
Anonymous said...
http://twitpic.com/1np5s4/full
Joana leaves a McCann message on facebook
May 14, 2010 4:06:00 PM
Interesting, but not related
IRONSIDE said... http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/05/another-81-miles-for-madeleine-gerry.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JoanaMorais+%28Joana+Morais%29
Good morning Tex and fellow Bloggers. I have nothing to say on what Mccann is about to do.
May 15, 2010 8:39:00 AM
Interesting, but not related
Anonymous said... The Hubbards and Brian Kennedy on that story seem very odd. Why they came in?
There is rumours that Brian Kennedy suplied or was involved on the build of some luxury villas in Algarve. The Renault Scenic was stored in a garage where a private team performed some forensic tests to discredit the police. Brian Kennedy confirmed that. Where is that villa? Mccann's and their supporters have more connections in Algarve then what they want us to believe. I will be not surprised if Murat is part of this connections.
May 16, 2010 12:12:00 AM
To be dealt with later
Anonymous said...
Then johanna, there is no video about Gerry buying an ice-cream for Madeleine in cafe Paraiso. I got confused because there is many contraditions in the news regarding that issue.
May 16, 2010 12:20:00 AM
The ice-cream happened on Tuesday. To give time for the fictitious, now blurred, character to gain courage to go ahead with a fictitious abduction
Anonymous said...
From the British News at Mccannfiles came that:
'Kennedy's lawyer, Ed Smethurst, approached Murat through a mutual friend and said that Kennedy wanted to offer him a job.'
'A mutual friend'
That meeting was in November 2007On May 6 2007, a millionaire offered 147000 Euros for informations about Madeleine. Was he Brian Kennedy? Because he said that he decide to help the Mccann's after they were made arguidos, that means after Sep. 2007. If he is the supporter of May 6, means he got involved very early. His lawyers were also the first lawyers helping Mccann's and they went on the case, early in May. This looks far from a coincidence. Brian Kennedy lived in Mallorca. Is he who Bring M3?
May 16, 2010 12:42:00 AM
Interesting, but not related. To be dealt with later.
Anonymous said...
Looking at the pictures. The shed could be the place where Gerry meet the Tapas 10 to deliver Madeleine. I don't believe he leave the girl there unattended during the night, even if she was protected by a blue bag. Too risky for a guy who seems to plan the things ahead. A dog could spot the bag and ring the bell.
On May 4th the binomia Dog-man from GNR were out searching. The dogs will spot the scent there if she was there for long time. I don't know if that happen because the most important information still confidential. I tend to see more pratical, the body hide in a villa or flat near the resort during the first hours, where GNR was not allowed to enter without suspition or permission, even because they were busy looking for a girl who could wonder off on her own and be close to the resort, but outside. That was the normal assumption took by the police who since the beginning realised that the abduction was impossible under the evidences of the crime scene. .
When police and helpers where out, the Mccann's were in, not in the 5A I presume. Then Where?
When police stop the search that night and the helpers went back home, Gerry and Payne went out, before the sunrise( witnesses reported them out after 4 in the morning). They ask a priest and the keys of the church, but this could be to divert attentions from the shed and keep people looking to the church which they don't use that night, but after for their businness. In that scenary, the Smiths sight could be Gerry carrying a child from O'Brien ( both have been out of the table at the same time) and trying to be spoted by somebody to grab witnesses for the abduction theory. O'brien will be the controller at night and Payne in the early morning. If we look at the pictures of Gerry in May 4, he look tired but not teared. He look like somebody who was working the all night, not like somebody who was crying the all night.
Look like the twins did not sleep on that cots on May 3. The cots were without bedshits when GNR went the flat. ODD for a could night and not suporting Gerry proud Moment about Maddie and the twins sleeping peaceful (he lie). It was reported also that the police did not find evidences of Madeleine or the abductor in the bed from where Mccann's claimed she was snatched. It is impossible for somebody to sleep in the bed and not leaving evidences.
If we look at the Creche reports available in some sites in the Internet( I don't know if they are correct) we see that for May 3, madeleine look like a name added posteriori. The letter of who write her name is different then the others. Kate signed Kate Mccann when she was not Mccann and normaly the time must be added in a growing sequence, that means the first childs came out early then the last. We see all the other childs coming out following that sequence, then Madeleine going out at 12:15, after childs who go out at 12:30. Is it possible that a Nanny made such mistake with time? Because the handwritting for all other childs look different then the one for Madeleine, I assume, a Nanny write in the records, not the parents. Then who write for Madeleine? Off-course this is just a theory. But under that scenary, she died before May 3 night and for me also the last picture raise doubts- Too much light. A too sunny day for May, even in Algarve, special if they claim that the time was cloudy and cold. The background of the picture did not look like the pictures available in the Ocean Club site, for the swimming pool, but I don't know the place.
Sorry, if I went out of the track.
May 16, 2010 8:32:00 AM
Thank you for such a dedicated comment! Too much information to comment. There are some discrepancies, but natural when we’re overwhelmed with a huge amount of information. On this subject, you hit also on what is the most practical and simple: a house. The remainder, you’ve raised a lot of interesting points.
Anonymous said...
About the last picture: ODD again, was delivered to the press and to police om May 24, after Gerry trip home, which happened on May 20 and 21.
To be the last picture, must be available at the Cameras in the resort, immediately, on May 3 night. Why came out so late? if that picture was a fabrication, no prove for Madeleine alive in May 3, since no any independent witness saw her.
May 16, 2010 8:39:00 AM
Interesting, but not related. To be dealt with later.
IRONSIDE said...
Paulo Sargento: Their interpretation is contrary to the death although there is evidence, cadaver odour, the smell of human blood and there is a set of forensic evidence that indicates, unfortunately, that the child is dead.
Voiceover: Gonçalo Amaral claims that there are witnesses who saw Gerry McCann carrying a child's body the night of Madeleine’s disappearance.
GA (image file): An Irish family met with a man that was carrying a child’s body in his arms. When they saw Gerry coming off the plane also with his child, said they were sure, to eighty percent, it was the same man they had seen just after Madeleine’s disappearance.
May 16, 2010 8:44:00 AM
To be dealt with later, although most of it already has been.
IRONSIDE said...
Anon 8.32...what a fascinating report and yes if it is true Kate on the last day signed the register as Healy and not Mccann..where was her mind? I am going to read your post again but slowly this time.
May 16, 2010 9:52:00 AM
To be dealt with later.
IRONSIDE said...
http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/kate-and-gerry-mccann-christmas.jpg
Many thanks to JKH who has found a photograph of McCann wearing the same type of outfit the Gutter Express have this morning in their rag of the 'Stroller'...beige pants and a dark jacket just like Tanner described.
May 16, 2010 10:27:00 AM
To be kept for future use.
Anonymous said...
I'm trying to find out, but I read somewhere that Gerry mobile and one of the Tapas bar mobile ( O'Brien or Oldfield) were caught in an isolated area(triangulation). I'm not sure about the date, but must be important and close to May 3. Was that area close to the sheds?
May 16, 2010 10:55:00 AM
Haven’t the faintest idea where, but I’m certain that it wasn’t anywhere near the sheds. Mind you I don’t consider Kelly’s as near the sheds…
IRONSIDE said...
Mobile phone call is alleged tracked by investigators, between Russell O'Brien and Gerry McCann.
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Hi Anon...oddly enough I was just looking at that, it is on Mccann files and all around the time a letter was received saying where Madeleine was buried..Utter rubbish according to Mccann...
May 16, 2010 6:06:00 PM
Interesting, but not related. To be dealt with later.
IRONSIDE said...
Anon here are the links..interesting to look further into just EXACTLY they were up to around this time..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rocks.html
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id78.html
May 16, 2010 6:08:00 PM
Interesting, but not related. To be dealt with later.
Anonymous said...
I went back to Amaral book ' The truth about the lie'. He said that on May 3 night, by trianglation police found out that the mobiles of Murat, Malinka and Micaela were activated. Micaela phoned Murat, who phoned Malinka, then Micaela again. They gave an innocent explanation for that calls ( working). Could be true or not because there is also inconsistencies in the statements of this 3. Even if not relevant evdences were find on their belongs, this did not mean they are innocent. They could be the vehicle to connect some Tapas with other people in Algarve( I still sticked on the claim of the Hubbards- Why they said the Mccann's help them to set in Algarve if they arrive just one week before them and apparently did not know much people? I think, over the time, police have to realise that Mccann's know more people in Algarve on May 3 2007, then what they said. Who connected them to that people, is an important piece of the puzzle.
May 16, 2010 10:17:00 PM
Interesting, but not related. Murat is, in my opinion involved on the night of the 3rd, but NOT on the Smith Sighting. To be dealt with later.
IRONSIDE said...
http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/main-maddie-thread-latest-news-f1/mrs-cooper-s-photograph-a-special-report-t10614.htm#214435
'A Special Report' from MM
May 17, 2010 7:48:00 AM
The importance of this blur is MONUMENTAL. Will handle it later.
Anonymous said... According to early reports,Portuguese dogs followed a trail,using infra-red (therefore night) on 5th of May to Beach bar at Burgau- Eveleighs. See 668-669 external diligences. Reported by The Sun Sept 07." A small beach bar in Burgau where sniffer dogs detected the smell of death. Rebelo's searches in Oct. resulting from lab. tests concentrated on 15k radius of Burgau -on spots where mobiles used, in a radius of Luz and Burgau.
May 17, 2010 12:48:00 PM
Interesting, but not related. To be dealt with later.
I would like to thank you all. A lot of useful information that I'll certainly keep.
You guys are great and it’s a pleasure to write for you.
Apologise for the telegraphic replies, please don’t be offended.
To those who I have disagreed with, by now you should know that I say what’s on my mind. .
If wrong, am the first to correct.
Only one irrelevant comment, from Yawn, who showed her/his true colours, and that as been placed where it belongs: the trash can.
I will post tomorrow morning my opinion about the video from where these pictures came from.
Anonymous said...
When I look for 'Casa Noble- Praia da Luz', up come this:
'Praia da Luz, Lagos, Western Algarve - 2 Bedroom Apartment - Sleeps up to 6
The apartment is a delightful, comfortably furnished first floor accommodation with a balcony'
I'm maybe out of the track, but if you look at the pictures, this apart. is in the Ocean Club. The contact to rent the flat is a UK number and the surname HUBBARD.
For what I can remember from ealy news, GNR dogs signalized Madeleine going from the flat 5A into another flat. I presume was not any of the Tapas flat, otherwise the report will say it.
Just thinking: Mccann's rented a flat who belong to somebody with surname Mccann and in the resort another flat with surname Hubbard. Another hubbard arriving 3 days after she disappeared and become the best friends of Mccann's. Wonder if this flat is near the 5A and faces the car parking.
May 13, 2010 3:57:00 PM
Hubbard will be dealt with in due time. Yes, I think he’s part of the gang but will have to look better into that.
Anonymous said...
I see 2 things upfront:
Who took the pictures didn't even consider your beach entry point C.
And for me to use both the sheds and the boats would mean knowing that area quite well.
It would be dark, so either somebody told him he could put the body there, or he wouldn't have a clue for those places.
Those could be used by a local criminal, not by a tourist.
KY
May 13, 2010 4:15:00 PM
Agree.
Johanna said...
The road to the sea automatically leads you to the fisherman's walk with accesses to the shore. The "stroller" had to take the turn to the right because the Kelly's Bar was to the left. Only the second access to the shore was the one with the sheds and more important, the sewer/overflow covered with plenty of reeds and big enough for a man to access it.
May 13, 2010 4:33:00 PM
No. The Stroller does NOT have to pass anywhere near Kelly’s to go to the sewer.
IRONSIDE said...
Ruth McCann, the owner of apartment 5a lives within a mile of Kates parents.
The Hubbards who claim to have been burgled and had all information with regards to the Mccanns stolen , meet up with Susan Hubbard, in Canada a few weeks later...
May 13, 2010 4:34:00 PM
To be dealt with later.
Anonymous said...
Johanna, What I said about the shed and boats applies to the sewer. Not questioning if it isn't ideal to hide a body, because it is. But he had to know about it before. Or someone tell him. And he had to find it in the dark.
Not pratical. If Gerry was local, then yes, I think it should be considered. But that doesn't seem to be an area he would have gone too, even if he jogged. I know that's where you think he put it, and I don't want to spoil it for you, but I don't agree with you.
Textusa, pic 14, 15 and 16, agree with you that he had plenty of time to not be seen.
Pic 19. It's stupid to go in front.
KY
May 13, 2010 4:45:00 PM
Agree.
Johanna said...
Well if you believe in a death after 5:30 the whole story about a cover-up is not plausible. IMO they had plenty of time to check out the locations, to plan the timeline for the evening and to inform everybody of their duties. The only thing that went wrong, was the Smith sighting which lead to the alibi for the "stroller" for the exact time of the "abduction". Unfortunately Jeremy Wilkins never saw abductorman nor Tanner and was very adamant that they stood at the little gate. This terrible irish family made a mess of the perfect plan...
May 13, 2010 4:58:00 PM
Not clear why the cover-up is not plausible after 17:30. The time spent in “check out the locations, to plan the timeline for the evening and to inform everybody of their duties” is in participating in a cover-up.
IRONSIDE said...
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic28.html
Susan Hubbard witness statement. Susan also seems to have a touch of 'TAPAS Amnesia' when it comes to the 'Key' of the church.
No matter who believes what, with regards to whether it having been a dead Madeleine or a sedated child . The fact remains the description of the child matches perfectly with what the Smiths saw...and this is ALL thanks to Tanner..It WAS the same child...AND if it was the same child it could ONLY be one person carrying said child. Gerry McCann.
May 13, 2010 5:15:00 PM
To be dealt with later.
IRONSIDE said...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3040094.ece
Always a good read...I do not believe for one moment Susan Hubbard and her story at the airport. This article shows how the Mccanns were manipulating the press with their fairy story.
May 13, 2010 5:26:00 PM
To be dealt with later.
IRONSIDE
said... http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/uk/news/article_1349073.php/Father_of_Madeleine_McCann_walks_out_of_Spanish_TV_interview
I saw this interview and the Mccanns were not yet arguidos...but by McCanns actions Maddie DID hurt herself and there WAS blood.
May 13, 2010 5:30:00 PM
To be dealt with later.
Anonymous said...
Maybe out of track, but going back to the Anglican priests who lead the churchs in Algarve. You can see that there is only two reported in the site. One (Hubbard) came to PDL, 3 days after. The other came at the end of May. Who where the priests before this two and why they have been replaced at that time? I feel here the taste of ' embassador replaced'. Now look at the activities proposed by the priests, a part the religious ceremonies- WALKING PATHS. They know better then locals walking paths and they are not talking about regular roads.
May 13, 2010 5:32:00 PM
To be dealt with later. Although the eventual paths that the Hubbard might know of weren’t relevant at the night on question.
Anonymous said...
As usual all very interesting ,I have always believe Maddie died the night Mrs Fenn heard her crying until time she was hidden in the wardrobe (hence cadver scent)until the trip to Heulva ,this gives the mc`s a full day to clean up ,get alibis,find somewhere to hide the body after dark ,like someone says the Smiths threw a spanner in the works ,but it hasnt mattered because everything the mc`s have said has been taken as Gods honest truth
May 13, 2010 6:15:00 PM
The Smiths didn’t throw a spanner into anything THAT night. They were sought after, and found.
ironside said...
Hi Anon 6.15...the night of the 1st is a mystery as so many of the group seem to be confused about that evening..Tuesday...something happened that threw them into 'Drop dead STOP Amnesia'
The Cot..what was that cot doing Wednesday morning in the Mccanns room...why were cots no longer needed when Madeleine died?
I have been reading a little into cots and children who try and climb out of them...there are some horror stories.
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I wish someone had dug a little deeper into what Susan Hubbard meant by Kates worry for the 'Health' of her daughter.
Did she mean a health problem of Madeleines, or was it a normal question a mother would have for their missing child? We will never know...
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Regarding Kate, she says that, besides being preoccupied with the health of her daughter, she was scared of what could have happened to Madeleine although she never spoke of her death.
May 13, 2010 7:48:00 PM
Iron, you know I’m waiting to be convinced about the cots.
Anonymous said... Am posting this as poster had a 4 year old who still slept in a cot...
Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah t(38) I'm amazed when I hear of such young babies climbing out of their cots! I'm just wondering how they do it? I mean, unless they are particularly tall then they surely can't get a knee (or even a foot?)over the top bar? Are they really strong enough to pull themselves up with their arms? Just curious as my DD2 is a real climber and hasn't yet climbed out and she is nearly 19 months.....I'm just waiting for it to happen sometime soon! Sharon - why can they climb out of cots but not travel cots, are the sides higher?
My dd was & still is very small & doesn't carry much weight so I'm guessing when she has good upper arm strength! One of my friend's ds was out of his cot at 6 months! I don't know why dd's never tried to climb out of a travel cot, she's nearly 4 years old now but at childminders still naps in travel cot & never once tried to get out, maybe its the mess netting being a bit slipperly.
Read more: http://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/children-parenting-190/toddlers-pre-schoolers-12-months-4-years-59/339031-toddler-can-climb-out-cot.html#ixzz0nq2i7Y3h
Netmums - the local parenting network
May 13, 2010 8:14:00 PM
To be dealt with later, AFTER Iron convinces me of the relevance of the issue.
Anonymous said...
Anon..3.57...I remember the apartment..it was empty
May 13, 2010 8:15:00 PM
Hubbards, to be dealt with later.
Anonymous said...
Text
Desta vez não assino , a minha identidade fica contigo.Posso perguntar :
Onde está a certeza/prova de que a menina morreu após as 17,30 de 3 de maio de 2007???
E se foi antes??
Abraços e respeitos
May 13, 2010 9:16:00 PM
I haven’t looked into that aspect yet, but have to say that I believe that Maddie’s death happened around 18:30.
Anonymous said...
Anon 6.15...they also chose this day to do this...
The McCanns released an image, on 1 May 2009, two years after her disappearance, of the projected appearance of a 6-year-old Madeleine.
May 13, 2010 9:44:00 PM
To be dealt with later.
Anonymous said...
Gerry Mccann has been to Portugal before. The sticking point is the McCanns apartment owned by a Mccann although no relation she lives so close to the Healys. How do we know McCann has not also been to PDL before.?..answer we don't...
May 13, 2010 9:56:00 PM
Even if he been there before, the sewer is not a place that he’d be acquainted with
Anonymous said...
Joohanna, what basis do you have for saying "Well if you believe in a death after 5:30 the whole story about a cover-up is not plausible"?
Why is it not plausible? How long does it take to inform an entire family about the decease of a dear one? Not speaking of Madeleine but of someone of any family?
They didn't have time to make a few phone calls, but they have time to snoop around town to check everyspot where they could put a body?
This was during, before or after they were seen in Paraiso at 6.15?
May 14, 2010 8:17:00 AM
Share the same opinion
Anonymous said...
PDL is not a new place for GM. He went there with friends on a golfing holiday. Don't know which year it was but there is a photo somewhere on the web of him playing golf in PDL.
The photo showed him as near to the age he was when Madeleine went missing so it could have been taken that year or the previous year.
May 14, 2010 9:14:00 AM
Already answered above
Anonymous said...
Anon @ 8:15
'Empty' did not mean anything. If somebody had the keys, was a perfect place to hide the body at the beginning ( no risk for somebody to spot it). Was that flat checked by GNR on the night 3 with dogs?
If you see the pictures (GNR) of the 5A there is a child blanket and a blue tennis bag, which went missing after the child and at least, regarding the blanket, Kate said to Oprah that who took Madeleine, took the blanket. Who took Madeleine had normal access to the 5A after GNR went there. I can just think of the Mccann's because they were requested to pack their staff and move to another place.
There is a TAPAS 10, 11 on that story. For me, the Hubbards know more then what they want us to believe.
And I don't understand why Susan Hubbard said that the mccann's helped them to set in PDL, if they arrived just one week before and claimed that was their first time in Portugal? They all lie.
May 14, 2010 9:44:00 AM
Although the Hubbards will be dealt with later, here is raised the simplest of solutions to hide the body that night: a house.
Anonymous said...
Is it true the video of Gerry and Madeleine in cafe paraiso? Was the date of the camara correct and May 3 or was before?
May 14, 2010 9:47:00 AM
No indication that the date of the camera was wrong. Only Kate’s camera, apparently, had a problem with its date.
Anonymous said...
Anon 9:47
I read this blog because I find it credible and down-to-earth on its interpretation of fact. Questioning the date of the camcorder is going way into conspiracy territory which I think this blog IS NOT about. There are many other blogs out there that would welcome inputs such as yours. Sorry T & I, just had to say this.
If picture 43 indicates the only direction in which the sewer can be approached from then I also say that Gerry had to know that area VERY well indeed. the golf course is, as far as I know, on the other side of Lagos. Also it seems a likely area where the little girl, if she was lost, and the locals searched for a lost girl, to have been searched by, especially by these locals.
May 14, 2010 10:18:00 AM
Thank you
IRONSIDE said...
Anon 9.44..You raise some excellent points. Mccann was seen with the blue bag afternoon May 3rd. We have seen for ourselves the blue bag in the wardrobe--plus a pair of what maybe beige trousers spread across the double bed. Both of these had disappeared by May 4th.
I have not seen Oprah or know anything about what Kate said on the show. I will see if there is a transcript.
Tanner mentioned in the beginning...she saw a bundle of what may have been a child wrapped in a pink blanket....later denying she had ever mentioned a blanket.
May 14, 2010 10:43:00 AM
To be dealt with later.
IRONSIDE said...
http://www.oprah.com/world/Update-on-the-Search-for-Madeleine-McCann
While searching for Kates comment I found this. Well thats nice Mccann , no luck finding Maddie but you sold lots of T Shirts and wristbands..something positive did come out of the trip then. May 14, 2010 10:53:00 AM
Not related, but thanks, Iron
Johanna said...
A lot of uninformed posts I am afraid.
The McCanns did not go to the Paraiso on the Thursday, only the friends did and were seen on the video footage.
Gerry was in Portugal before on a golfing holiday but in 1994 and near Albufeira.
Regarding the death after 5:30 theory: Apart from the difficulty to organise the elaborate checking system for the evening, I just don't think they would have been mentally capable. And then we have the desperate attempts to show that she was still alive on the 3rd. The lies regarding her having a tennis instruction on the Thursday, the last photo, the twisting and turning of the tapasniks when asked when they saw Madeleine the last time...
May 14, 2010 10:59:00 AM
“Mentally capable” is the key expression here. In my opinion, only Kate lost capability that night. The remainder remained in full possession of their capabilities that night.
Johanna said...
I am afraid Ironside this is wrong. Jane never said she saw a blanket. In her statement from the 4th May she says:
"Meanwhile a man appeared carrying a child, with a hurried walk, it being this detail together with the fact that the child dressed in pyjamas, without being wrapped up in a blanket, that caught her attention.""
The blanket was wrongly added in a daily mail article and Oprah was the one mentioning a blanket not Kate.
May 14, 2010 11:07:00 AM
Thank you for the detail. The blanket issue will be dealt with when focusing on Jane Tanner’s sighting. Which by the way, and this will come as a surprise even for Iron, I believe it happened.
Anonymous said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y42_8vggMNQ
Tanner in retrospect
May 14, 2010 2:28:00 PM
Ain’t she a beauty? So obedient, and yet, has tasted the bitterness of betrail.
IRONSIDE said... http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071224042257AAJlVda
The description and mentioning of the blanket came from many reports...hence how the abductor found himself to be called'Bundleman'.
Thank you Johanna for correcting us all. Attention to detail and sorting fact from fiction is very important to this blogs credibility.
May 14, 2010 2:39:00 PM
To be dealt with later.
Anonymous said...
"What you can say, is that they were very near to find the perfect cover-up for a sloppy crime..."
ok,tex, I guess they found the perfect cover up for the accident/crime then...
I think we have to think the way a cold prepared surgeon did a body hiding...if it was me,I would not take the body to burying it at the beach..too risky..there always is some people(turists) walking there or some odd (homeless) guys.
Dogs or kids might be able to find it as well.
I´d hide the body (temporary) in a good place(boat,appartment,car,freezer).
What we know,Maddie is not in the sea because of the dogs,so gerry & co. had to find a hiding place till they did get the rent car(3 weeks later)this´s quite long time without freezing..but who´s freezer?
They had to have accomplices beside some of the tapas.
Goncalo came to the conclusion her body was in a freezer but he wasn´t able to tell more.
Believe me tex I can´t get it out of my head!
XO Claudia May 14, 2010 3:11:00 PM
Agree. Relax Claudia, we will get there, and I’m counting on you to get there with us! (wink)
Anonymous said...
http://www.the3arguidos.info/topic6611.html
Knowing by Dr.Roberts.
May 14, 2010 3:38:00 PM
Interesting, but not related
Anonymous said...
http://twitpic.com/1np5s4/full
Joana leaves a McCann message on facebook
May 14, 2010 4:06:00 PM
Interesting, but not related
IRONSIDE said... http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/05/another-81-miles-for-madeleine-gerry.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JoanaMorais+%28Joana+Morais%29
Good morning Tex and fellow Bloggers. I have nothing to say on what Mccann is about to do.
May 15, 2010 8:39:00 AM
Interesting, but not related
Anonymous said... The Hubbards and Brian Kennedy on that story seem very odd. Why they came in?
There is rumours that Brian Kennedy suplied or was involved on the build of some luxury villas in Algarve. The Renault Scenic was stored in a garage where a private team performed some forensic tests to discredit the police. Brian Kennedy confirmed that. Where is that villa? Mccann's and their supporters have more connections in Algarve then what they want us to believe. I will be not surprised if Murat is part of this connections.
May 16, 2010 12:12:00 AM
To be dealt with later
Anonymous said...
Then johanna, there is no video about Gerry buying an ice-cream for Madeleine in cafe Paraiso. I got confused because there is many contraditions in the news regarding that issue.
May 16, 2010 12:20:00 AM
The ice-cream happened on Tuesday. To give time for the fictitious, now blurred, character to gain courage to go ahead with a fictitious abduction
Anonymous said...
From the British News at Mccannfiles came that:
'Kennedy's lawyer, Ed Smethurst, approached Murat through a mutual friend and said that Kennedy wanted to offer him a job.'
'A mutual friend'
That meeting was in November 2007On May 6 2007, a millionaire offered 147000 Euros for informations about Madeleine. Was he Brian Kennedy? Because he said that he decide to help the Mccann's after they were made arguidos, that means after Sep. 2007. If he is the supporter of May 6, means he got involved very early. His lawyers were also the first lawyers helping Mccann's and they went on the case, early in May. This looks far from a coincidence. Brian Kennedy lived in Mallorca. Is he who Bring M3?
May 16, 2010 12:42:00 AM
Interesting, but not related. To be dealt with later.
Anonymous said...
Looking at the pictures. The shed could be the place where Gerry meet the Tapas 10 to deliver Madeleine. I don't believe he leave the girl there unattended during the night, even if she was protected by a blue bag. Too risky for a guy who seems to plan the things ahead. A dog could spot the bag and ring the bell.
On May 4th the binomia Dog-man from GNR were out searching. The dogs will spot the scent there if she was there for long time. I don't know if that happen because the most important information still confidential. I tend to see more pratical, the body hide in a villa or flat near the resort during the first hours, where GNR was not allowed to enter without suspition or permission, even because they were busy looking for a girl who could wonder off on her own and be close to the resort, but outside. That was the normal assumption took by the police who since the beginning realised that the abduction was impossible under the evidences of the crime scene. .
When police and helpers where out, the Mccann's were in, not in the 5A I presume. Then Where?
When police stop the search that night and the helpers went back home, Gerry and Payne went out, before the sunrise( witnesses reported them out after 4 in the morning). They ask a priest and the keys of the church, but this could be to divert attentions from the shed and keep people looking to the church which they don't use that night, but after for their businness. In that scenary, the Smiths sight could be Gerry carrying a child from O'Brien ( both have been out of the table at the same time) and trying to be spoted by somebody to grab witnesses for the abduction theory. O'brien will be the controller at night and Payne in the early morning. If we look at the pictures of Gerry in May 4, he look tired but not teared. He look like somebody who was working the all night, not like somebody who was crying the all night.
Look like the twins did not sleep on that cots on May 3. The cots were without bedshits when GNR went the flat. ODD for a could night and not suporting Gerry proud Moment about Maddie and the twins sleeping peaceful (he lie). It was reported also that the police did not find evidences of Madeleine or the abductor in the bed from where Mccann's claimed she was snatched. It is impossible for somebody to sleep in the bed and not leaving evidences.
If we look at the Creche reports available in some sites in the Internet( I don't know if they are correct) we see that for May 3, madeleine look like a name added posteriori. The letter of who write her name is different then the others. Kate signed Kate Mccann when she was not Mccann and normaly the time must be added in a growing sequence, that means the first childs came out early then the last. We see all the other childs coming out following that sequence, then Madeleine going out at 12:15, after childs who go out at 12:30. Is it possible that a Nanny made such mistake with time? Because the handwritting for all other childs look different then the one for Madeleine, I assume, a Nanny write in the records, not the parents. Then who write for Madeleine? Off-course this is just a theory. But under that scenary, she died before May 3 night and for me also the last picture raise doubts- Too much light. A too sunny day for May, even in Algarve, special if they claim that the time was cloudy and cold. The background of the picture did not look like the pictures available in the Ocean Club site, for the swimming pool, but I don't know the place.
Sorry, if I went out of the track.
May 16, 2010 8:32:00 AM
Thank you for such a dedicated comment! Too much information to comment. There are some discrepancies, but natural when we’re overwhelmed with a huge amount of information. On this subject, you hit also on what is the most practical and simple: a house. The remainder, you’ve raised a lot of interesting points.
Anonymous said...
About the last picture: ODD again, was delivered to the press and to police om May 24, after Gerry trip home, which happened on May 20 and 21.
To be the last picture, must be available at the Cameras in the resort, immediately, on May 3 night. Why came out so late? if that picture was a fabrication, no prove for Madeleine alive in May 3, since no any independent witness saw her.
May 16, 2010 8:39:00 AM
Interesting, but not related. To be dealt with later.
IRONSIDE said...
Paulo Sargento: Their interpretation is contrary to the death although there is evidence, cadaver odour, the smell of human blood and there is a set of forensic evidence that indicates, unfortunately, that the child is dead.
Voiceover: Gonçalo Amaral claims that there are witnesses who saw Gerry McCann carrying a child's body the night of Madeleine’s disappearance.
GA (image file): An Irish family met with a man that was carrying a child’s body in his arms. When they saw Gerry coming off the plane also with his child, said they were sure, to eighty percent, it was the same man they had seen just after Madeleine’s disappearance.
May 16, 2010 8:44:00 AM
To be dealt with later, although most of it already has been.
IRONSIDE said...
Anon 8.32...what a fascinating report and yes if it is true Kate on the last day signed the register as Healy and not Mccann..where was her mind? I am going to read your post again but slowly this time.
May 16, 2010 9:52:00 AM
To be dealt with later.
IRONSIDE said...
http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/kate-and-gerry-mccann-christmas.jpg
Many thanks to JKH who has found a photograph of McCann wearing the same type of outfit the Gutter Express have this morning in their rag of the 'Stroller'...beige pants and a dark jacket just like Tanner described.
May 16, 2010 10:27:00 AM
To be kept for future use.
Anonymous said...
I'm trying to find out, but I read somewhere that Gerry mobile and one of the Tapas bar mobile ( O'Brien or Oldfield) were caught in an isolated area(triangulation). I'm not sure about the date, but must be important and close to May 3. Was that area close to the sheds?
May 16, 2010 10:55:00 AM
Haven’t the faintest idea where, but I’m certain that it wasn’t anywhere near the sheds. Mind you I don’t consider Kelly’s as near the sheds…
IRONSIDE said...
Mobile phone call is alleged tracked by investigators, between Russell O'Brien and Gerry McCann.
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Hi Anon...oddly enough I was just looking at that, it is on Mccann files and all around the time a letter was received saying where Madeleine was buried..Utter rubbish according to Mccann...
May 16, 2010 6:06:00 PM
Interesting, but not related. To be dealt with later.
IRONSIDE said...
Anon here are the links..interesting to look further into just EXACTLY they were up to around this time..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rocks.html
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id78.html
May 16, 2010 6:08:00 PM
Interesting, but not related. To be dealt with later.
Anonymous said...
I went back to Amaral book ' The truth about the lie'. He said that on May 3 night, by trianglation police found out that the mobiles of Murat, Malinka and Micaela were activated. Micaela phoned Murat, who phoned Malinka, then Micaela again. They gave an innocent explanation for that calls ( working). Could be true or not because there is also inconsistencies in the statements of this 3. Even if not relevant evdences were find on their belongs, this did not mean they are innocent. They could be the vehicle to connect some Tapas with other people in Algarve( I still sticked on the claim of the Hubbards- Why they said the Mccann's help them to set in Algarve if they arrive just one week before them and apparently did not know much people? I think, over the time, police have to realise that Mccann's know more people in Algarve on May 3 2007, then what they said. Who connected them to that people, is an important piece of the puzzle.
May 16, 2010 10:17:00 PM
Interesting, but not related. Murat is, in my opinion involved on the night of the 3rd, but NOT on the Smith Sighting. To be dealt with later.
IRONSIDE said...
http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/main-maddie-thread-latest-news-f1/mrs-cooper-s-photograph-a-special-report-t10614.htm#214435
'A Special Report' from MM
May 17, 2010 7:48:00 AM
The importance of this blur is MONUMENTAL. Will handle it later.
Anonymous said... According to early reports,Portuguese dogs followed a trail,using infra-red (therefore night) on 5th of May to Beach bar at Burgau- Eveleighs. See 668-669 external diligences. Reported by The Sun Sept 07." A small beach bar in Burgau where sniffer dogs detected the smell of death. Rebelo's searches in Oct. resulting from lab. tests concentrated on 15k radius of Burgau -on spots where mobiles used, in a radius of Luz and Burgau.
May 17, 2010 12:48:00 PM
Interesting, but not related. To be dealt with later.
From Mccannfiles ( Murat):
ReplyDelete‘Just prior to May 3rd, Murat spent 10 days at his sister's home in Exeter, whilst he did some work on a property his mother owns in nearby Sidmouth. His sister's home is less than a mile from the house where Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien live. It has been speculated that there may be some connection as Tanner and O'Brien are neighbours of James and Charlotte Gorrod, who were also at the resort at the same time as the 'Tapas Nine'. Murat returned to Praia da Luz two days before Madeleine's disappearance.’
Today in Joana Blog (post 96) was reported a ring of Paedos in Exeter involving doctors.
For me there is a connection between Murat and Gerry. Pj will not made him suspect just based on Lori Campbell suspition. They have more information and I believe that information is in the files which remain confidential. This is why Murat never sue PJ or Jane Taner. I don't believe on this case court about Murat sueing Taner now. If so, will be largely reported in the News, at least in portugal.
Murat stated to Pj that he spent the night with his mother and just show-up at the Ocean Club, around 10 O'clock but GA on his book reported that he was caught on the pictures handed over to PJ by tourists, showing him in the Ocean Club on May 4, very early. He was with 2 mens ( one, a tourist from the Ocean Club). His arguido status was lifted at same time as the Mccann's, which means a lot- PJ connect the 3 all the time ( for the good and for the bad).
The last comment contains plenty of wrong information.
ReplyDeleteI read the book and there is no picture showing Murat early on the 4th at the OC.
His Arguido status was lifted prior to the McCann's.
And Murat has filed CRIMINAL charges against Jane Tanner and the other 3 Tapasniks that framed him.
Amazing how the pro front has been rattled by this. So much so, that they desperately try to bring Murat back as a suspect.
Johanna,
ReplyDeleteThe comment at 8:57 may have some wrong information but I have the same feeling and I'm totally anti- Mccann.
Somebody near to the crime scene helped Gerry with logistic to hide the body and should be somebody with previous connections with Mccann's and knowing well PDL and the surrounds. That did not mean he was physical or direct involved in the crime. That guy ( Murat or whatever) could just innocentely being involved providing some help for something that he don't even know. When he realised the dimension of the situation he have to play the same game, refuting everything to avoid become a cumplice for something which he don't know exactly how hapenned but he helped to happen with his naive attitude.
Why the Tapas blaim him immediately? First of all was because they need to put a strange of the group in the crime scene. Second they know Murat and they know where he live. They need somedy close to the OC to give credibility to the abduction ( don't forget that on the first hours and first days, they have to keep the police busy and out of the real position of the body to give them time to plan well the cover-up). Third, they know that he knows he help them, even without knowing anything in concrete, about the body. He was perfect for Gerry- searching him, the police will find no evidences ( this is why Jane put the abductor going into Murat house, the same Jane who did not know what the girl was wearing even after Kate spreaded to everybody the winnie the pooh pyjama and all the searchers knowing that they were looking for a girl with that Pyjama).
A place near the OC was used to hide or to translate the body into a car and another position. Several houses and Flats were search on May 14 but Amaral admited on his book that the search was not accurate ennough to provide many clues due to the amount of houses they have to search in a so small time. Murat( very stressed, according to witnesses) rented a car on May 12 (nothing was found on that car, but again this means nothing- he was under the pressure of the police, the Media and the Tapas which we know the methodes they use to frame somebody).
Why he and malinka deny the contacts between themselves? Some time they said they did contact each other for more then a year, other time, for more then 3 months, if by triangulation Pj found a contact between them on May 3 around 11:40. Interesting that more or less at the same time, Kate contacted Gerry ( that contact was deleted on Gerry mobile). Kate deleted many calls and SMS but leave some to fit their conveniences.
That is just one theory like many others. But I think is a wrong assumption, thinking that who suspect Murat on the saga is a Pro-Mccann and want him back as a suspect. In my case, I'm just trying to put togheter the information we have ( some wrong off-course because was based on tabloids) and TEXTUSA is doing a wonderfull work by trying to base his theory only in facts ( removing the fiction) and in facts which should match perfectly.
Murat cannot be trowed out. He was part of the puzzle on the May 3, same as the Hubbards became after arriving to PDL. The investigation was stoped faraway from the big steps. Gerry, O'Brien, Payne and Kate, where the main characters of Madeleine last moments but one or two guys out of the group were involved as cumplices, on the first hours. Naive or not, get involved by Mccann's plan. I hope soon we will find out.
Good morning Johanna and anon...Anon last post ,I agree with you. There is something not right with the picture of Murat. I have never seen a mother allowed to sit outside and take information to pass onto her son who then passes it onto police. This only happens in movies and we would then be saying how far fetched...
ReplyDeleteOf course Murat may have been upto something else with Mainka nothing to do with Mccann case...people do do dodgy deals.
But he did seem very concerned about a phone call he made that may have been traced..
My phone calls and where I make them from does not concern me...why did it concern Robert?
O' Brian and I believe this is correct said he had Murats phone number on his mobile because Murat had given it to him on the Eve May 3rd...I read this in a statement...However if I am wrong I know Johanna will correct me.
I am as anti as they come...and have no wish to harm Robert in any way shape or form. But I have to explore more and want to know what he meant by 'This is the biggest fuck up on the planet'
What is???
What was Fucked up????
The accident has happened early in the afternoon of May 3rd. It couldn't be before otherwise the babysitters would remember not have seen Madeleine before May 3rd.
ReplyDeleteAccident: a fall? Overdose and fall? The sign was in the living room but if the cot was in the parents room near the second place marked by the dogs, then the accident could had happened in the room and the body could be hidden behind the sofa until being removed from the crime scene.
Gerry went to the tennis court to play, as a normal sportive day, but also to use the blue sport bag which will be ok to be seen with because he used to take it to carry tennis tools.
The blue bag was the vehicle later in the evening.
I'm not sure what time tapas group was informed about the accident but obviously they all understood if the McCanns were caught by the police something will happened to them as well. They all used to leave the kids alone for long periods of time each evening.
I'm sure they all knew about the accident at dinner time. Being behind when the alarm was given (Diane) just meant she did not agree with what was happening. She did not want to be involved. But she could deliver her own daughter...
Finally, the body was not hidden in the beach and not in the church... the body was transferred directly to a safe place (a house) and kept there until the last move (might be a crematory) you heard the challenge "find the body and prove that we did it..." The person that has helped McCanns has plenty of resources, knows the area, may be an English resident...that felt sorry about the McCanns situation... facing jail, with two small babies..both doctors... this help request was made from London... from Kate or Gerry family directly to someone in Algarve. Someone they could trust.
Receiving money from the press and share it with the group was a nasty way to shut up all mouths at the same time. They went all to far to get back. However, that does not mean that they are all comfortable with this because someone could break down and tell.
Police will be aware when the sign has come...
Good morning 9.59 No I had not thought of turning it around and Madeleine meeting her demise in the parents bedroom. The cot was in there and also a broken blind...
ReplyDeleteMcCann lied about the date the blind was repaired will have to find the receipt of repair.
Thanks Anon.