Johanna placed a video on our comment box saying “Hiding place between 22:00 and 4:00, IMO of course :)”
Not wanting to respond to Johanna’s opinion, which I will do so, in detail, but in a later date, this video provides us with a wonderfully detailed photographic coverage of the Smith Sighting.
I leave you below the 45 images that I captured from it, for YOUR thought and analysis. In my opinion they are quite enlightening.
But that’s me, YOU might see each differently, or even see things that have escaped me.
The idea is to brainstorm. If you wish to do so, but let me warn you beforehand that I, on THIS post, will NOT reply to any questions or give any opinion to any comment.
Also, due to personal reasons it will be very unlikely that I will be posting anything until the end of next week.
This is purely, as I said, for YOUR consideration. I will, later and in separate posts, provide my own various opinions.
Not wanting to respond to Johanna’s opinion, which I will do so, in detail, but in a later date, this video provides us with a wonderfully detailed photographic coverage of the Smith Sighting.
I leave you below the 45 images that I captured from it, for YOUR thought and analysis. In my opinion they are quite enlightening.
But that’s me, YOU might see each differently, or even see things that have escaped me.
The idea is to brainstorm. If you wish to do so, but let me warn you beforehand that I, on THIS post, will NOT reply to any questions or give any opinion to any comment.
Also, due to personal reasons it will be very unlikely that I will be posting anything until the end of next week.
This is purely, as I said, for YOUR consideration. I will, later and in separate posts, provide my own various opinions.
When I look for 'Casa Noble- Praia da Luz', up come this:
ReplyDelete'Praia da Luz, Lagos, Western Algarve - 2 Bedroom Apartment - Sleeps up to 6
The apartment is a delightful, comfortably furnished first floor accommodation with a balcony'
I'm maybe out of the track, but if you look at the pictures, this apart. is in the Ocean Club. The contact to rent the flat is a UK number and the surname HUBBARD.
For what I can remember from ealy news, GNR dogs signalized Madeleine going from the flat 5A into another flat. I presume was not any of the Tapas flat, otherwise the report will say it.
Just thinking: Mccann's rented a flat who belong to somebody with surname Mccann and in the resort another flat with surname Hubbard. Another hubbard arriving 3 days after she disappeared and become the best friends of Mccann's. Wonder if this flat is near the 5A and faces the car parking.
I see 2 things upfront:
ReplyDeleteWho took the pictures didn't even consider your beach entry point C.
And for me to use both the sheds and the boats would mean knowing that area quite well.
It would be dark, so either somebody told him he could put the body there, or he wouldn't have a clue for those places.
Those could be used by a local criminal, not by a tourist.
KY
Ruth McCann, the owner of apartment 5a lives within a mile of Kates parents.
ReplyDeleteThe Hubbards who claim to have been burgled and had all information with regards to the Mccanns stolen , meet up with Susan Hubbard, in Canada a few weeks later...
The road to the sea automatically leads you to the fisherman's walk with accesses to the shore. The "stroller" had to take the turn to the right because the Kelly's Bar was to the left. Only the second access to the shore was the one with the sheds and more important, the sewer/overflow covered with plenty of reeds and big enough for a man to access it.
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ReplyDeleteWhat I said about the shed and boats applies to the sewer. Not questioning if it isn't ideal to hide a body, because it is. But he had to know about it before. Or someone tell him. And he had to find it in the dark.
Not pratical. If Gerry was local, then yes, I think it should be considered. But that doesn't seem to be an area he would have gone too, even if he jogged. I know that's where you think he put it, and I don't want to spoil it for you, but I don't agree with you.
Textusa, pic 14, 15 and 16, agree with you that he had plenty of time to not be seen.
Pic 19. It's stupid to go in front.
KY
Well if you believe in a death after 5:30 the whole story about a cover-up is not plausible. IMO they had plenty of time to check out the locations, to plan the timeline for the evening and to inform everybody of their duties. The only thing that went wrong, was the Smith sighting which lead to the alibi for the "stroller" for the exact time of the "abduction". Unfortunately Jeremy Wilkins never saw abductorman nor Tanner and was very adamant that they stood at the little gate. This terrible irish family made a mess of the perfect plan...
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ReplyDeleteSusan Hubbard witness statement. Susan also seems to have a touch of 'TAPAS Amnesia' when it comes to the 'Key' of the church.
No matter who believes what, with regards to whether it having been a dead Madeleine or a sedated child . The fact remains the description of the child matches perfectly with what the Smiths saw...and this is ALL thanks to Tanner..It WAS the same child...AND if it was the same child it could ONLY be one person carrying said child. Gerry McCann.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3040094.ece
ReplyDeleteAlways a good read...I do not believe for one moment Susan Hubbard and her story at the airport.
This article shows how the Mccanns were manipulating the press with their fairy story.
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/uk/news/article_1349073.php/Father_of_Madeleine_McCann_walks_out_of_Spanish_TV_interview
ReplyDeleteI saw this interview and the Mccanns were not yet arguidos...but by McCanns actions Maddie DID hurt herself and there WAS blood.
Maybe out of track, but going back to the Anglican priests who lead the churchs in Algarve. You can see that there is only two reported in the site. One (Hubbard) came to PDL, 3 days after. The other came at the end of May. Who where the priests before this two and why they have been replaced at that time? I feel here the taste of ' embassador replaced'. Now look at the activities proposed by the priests, a part the religious ceremonies- WALKING PATHS. They know better then locals walking paths and they are not talking about regular roads.
ReplyDeleteAs usual all very interesting ,I have always believe Maddie died the night Mrs Fenn heard her crying until time she was hidden in the wardrobe (hence cadver scent)until the trip to Heulva ,this gives the mc`s a full day to clean up ,get alibis,find somewhere to hide the body after dark ,like someone says the Smiths threw a spanner in the works ,but it hasnt mattered because everything the mc`s have said has been taken as Gods honest truth
ReplyDeleteHi Anon 6.15...the night of the 1st is a mystery as so many of the group seem to be confused about that evening..Tuesday...something happened that threw them into 'Drop dead STOP Amnesia'
ReplyDeleteThe Cot..what was that cot doing Wednesday morning in the Mccanns room...why were cots no longer needed when Madeleine died?
I have been reading a little into cots and children who try and climb out of them...there are some horror stories.
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I wish someone had dug a little deeper into what Susan Hubbard meant by Kates worry for the 'Health' of her daughter.
Did she mean a health problem of Madeleines, or was it a normal question a mother would have for their missing child? We will never know...
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Regarding Kate, she says that, besides being preoccupied with the health of her daughter, she was scared of what could have happened to Madeleine although she never spoke of her death.
Am posting this as poster had a 4 year old who still slept in a cot...
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Originally Posted by sarah t(38)
I'm amazed when I hear of such young babies climbing out of their cots! I'm just wondering how they do it? I mean, unless they are particularly tall then they surely can't get a knee (or even a foot?)over the top bar? Are they really strong enough to pull themselves up with their arms? Just curious as my DD2 is a real climber and hasn't yet climbed out and she is nearly 19 months.....I'm just waiting for it to happen sometime soon!
Sharon - why can they climb out of cots but not travel cots, are the sides higher?
My dd was & still is very small & doesn't carry much weight so I'm guessing when she has good upper arm strength! One of my friend's ds was out of his cot at 6 months! I don't know why dd's never tried to climb out of a travel cot, she's nearly 4 years old now but at childminders still naps in travel cot & never once tried to get out, maybe its the mess netting being a bit slipperly.
Read more: http://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/children-parenting-190/toddlers-pre-schoolers-12-months-4-years-59/339031-toddler-can-climb-out-cot.html#ixzz0nq2i7Y3h
Netmums - the local parenting network
Anon..3.57...I remember the apartment..it was empty
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ReplyDeleteDesta vez não assino , a minha identidade fica contigo.Posso perguntar :
Onde está a certeza/prova de que a menina morreu após as 17,30 de 3 de maio de 2007???
E se foi antes??
Abraços e respeitos
Anon 6.15...they also chose this day to do this...
ReplyDeleteThe McCanns released an image, on 1 May 2009, two years after her disappearance, of the projected appearance of a 6-year-old Madeleine.
Gerry Mccann has been to Portugal before. The sticking point is the McCanns apartment owned by a Mccann although no relation she lives so close to the Healys. How do we know McCann has not also been to PDL before.?..answer we don't...
ReplyDeleteJoohanna, what basis do you have for saying "Well if you believe in a death after 5:30 the whole story about a cover-up is not plausible"? Why is it not plausible?
ReplyDeleteHow long does it take to inform an entire family about the decease of a dear one? Not speaking of Madeleine but of someone of any family?
They didn't have time to make a few phone calls, but they have time to snoop around town to check everyspot where they could put a body?
This was during, before or after they were seen in Paraiso at 6.15?
PDL is not a new place for GM. He went there with friends on a golfing holiday. Don't know which year it was but there is a photo somewhere on the web of him playing golf in PDL.
ReplyDeleteThe photo showed him as near to the age he was when Madeleine went missing so it could have been taken that year or the previous year.
Anon @ 8:15
ReplyDelete'Empty' did not mean anything. If somebody had the keys, was a perfect place to hide the body at the beginning ( no risk for somebody to spot it). Was that flat checked by GNR on the night 3 with dogs?
If you see the pictures (GNR) of the 5A there is a child blanket and a blue tennis bag, which went missing after the child and at least, regarding the blanket, Kate said to Oprah that who took Madeleine, took the blanket. Who took Madeleine had normal access to the 5A after GNR went there. I can just think of the Mccann's because they were requested to pack their staff and move to another place.
There is a TAPAS 10, 11 on that story. For me, the Hubbards know more then what they want us to believe.
And I don't understand why Susan Hubbard said that the mccann's helped them to set in PDL, if they arrived just one week before and claimed that was their first time in Portugal? They all lie.
Is it true the video of Gerry and Madeleine in cafe paraiso? Was the date of the camara correct and May 3 or was before?
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ReplyDeleteI read this blog because I find it credible and down-to-earth on its interpretation of fact. Questioning the date of the camcorder is going way into conspiracy territory which I think this blog IS NOT about. There are many other blogs out there that would welcome inputs such as yours. Sorry T & I, just had to say this.
If picture 43 indicates the only direction in which the sewer can be approached from then I also say that Gerry had to know that area VERY well indeed. the golf course is, as far as I know, on the other side of Lagos. Also it seems a likely area where the little girl, if she was lost, and the locals searched for a lost girl, to have been searched by, especially by these locals.
Anon 9.44..You raise some excellent points. Mccann was seen with the blue bag afternoon May 3rd. We have seen for ourselves the blue bag in the wardrobe--plus a pair of what maybe beige trousers spread across the double bed. Both of these had disappeared by May 4th.
ReplyDeleteI have not seen Oprah or know anything about what Kate said on the show. I will see if there is a transcript.
Tanner mentioned in the beginning...she saw a bundle of what may have been a child wrapped in a pink blanket....later denying she had ever mentioned a blanket.
http://www.oprah.com/world/Update-on-the-Search-for-Madeleine-McCann
ReplyDeleteWhile searching for Kates comment I found this. Well thats nice Mccann , no luck finding Maddie but you sold lots of T Shirts and wristbands..something positive did come out of the trip then.
A lot of uninformed posts I am afraid.
ReplyDeleteThe McCanns did not go to the Paraiso on the Thursday, only the friends did and were seen on the video footage.
Gerry was in Portugal before on a golfing holiday but in 1994 and near Albufeira.
Regarding the death after 5:30 theory: Apart from the difficulty to organise the elaborate checking system for the evening, I just don't think they would have been mentally capable. And then we have the desperate attempts to show that she was still alive on the 3rd. The lies regarding her having a tennis instruction on the Thursday, the last photo, the twisting and turning of the tapasniks when asked when they saw Madeleine the last time...
I am afraid Ironside this is wrong. Jane never said she saw a blanket. In her statement from the 4th May she says:
ReplyDelete"Meanwhile a man appeared carrying a child, with a hurried walk, it being this detail together with the fact that the child dressed in pyjamas, without being wrapped up in a blanket, that caught her attention.""
The blanket was wrongly added in a daily mail article and Oprah was the one mentioning a blanket not Kate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y42_8vggMNQ
ReplyDeleteTanner in retrospect
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071224042257AAJlVda
ReplyDeleteThe description and mentioning of the blanket came from many reports...hence how the abductor found himself to be called'Bundleman'.
Thank you Johanna for correcting us all. Attention to detail and sorting fact from fiction is very important to this blogs credibility.
"What you can say, is that they were very near to find the perfect cover-up for a sloppy crime..."
ReplyDeleteok,tex, I guess they found the perfect cover up for the accident/crime then...
I think we have to think the way a cold prepared surgeon did a body hiding...if it was me,I would not take the body to burying it at the beach..too risky..there always is some people(turists) walking there or some odd (homeless) guys.
Dogs or kids might be able to find it as well.
I´d hide the body (temporary) in a good place(boat,appartment,car,freezer).
What we know,Maddie is not in the sea because of the dogs,so gerry & co. had to find a hiding place till they did get the rent car(3 weeks later)this´s quite long time without freezing..but who´s freezer?
They had to have accomplices beside some of the tapas.
Goncalo came to the conclusion her body was in a freezer but he wasn´t able to tell more.
Believe me tex I can´t get it out of my head!
XO Claudia
http://www.the3arguidos.info/topic6611.html
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http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/05/another-81-miles-for-madeleine-gerry.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JoanaMorais+%28Joana+Morais%29
ReplyDeleteGood morning Tex and fellow Bloggers. I have nothing to say on what Mccann is about to do.
The Hubbards and Brian Kennedy on that story seem very odd. Why they came in?
ReplyDeleteThere is rumours that Brian Kennedy suplied or was involved on the build of some luxury villas in Algarve. The Renault Scenic was stored in a garage where a private team performed some forensic tests to discredit the police. Brian Kennedy confirmed that. Where is that villa? Mccann's and their supporters have more connections in Algarve then what they want us to believe. I will be not surprised if Murat is part of this connections.
Then johanna, there is no video about Gerry buying an ice-cream for Madeleine in cafe Paraiso. I got confused because there is many contraditions in the news regarding that issue.
ReplyDeleteFrom the British News at Mccannfiles came that:
ReplyDelete'Kennedy's lawyer, Ed Smethurst, approached Murat through a mutual friend and said that Kennedy wanted to offer him a job.'
'A mutual friend'
That meeting was in November 2007On May 6 2007, a millionaire offered 147000 Euros for informations about Madeleine. Was he Brian Kennedy? Because he said that he decide to help the Mccann's after they were made arguidos, that means after Sep. 2007. If he is the supporter of May 6, means he got involved very early. His lawyers were also the first lawyers helping Mccann's and they went on the case, early in May. This looks far from a coincidence. Brian Kennedy lived in Mallorca. Is he who Bring M3?
Looking at the pictures. The shed could be the place where Gerry meet the Tapas 10 to deliver Madeleine. I don't believe he leave the girl there unattended during the night, even if she was protected by a blue bag. Too risky for a guy who seems to plan the things ahead. A dog could spot the bag and ring the bell.
ReplyDeleteOn May 4th the binomia Dog-man from GNR were out searching. The dogs will spot the scent there if she was there for long time. I don't know if that happen because the most important information still confidential. I tend to see more pratical, the body hide in a villa or flat near the resort during the first hours, where GNR was not allowed to enter without suspition or permission, even because they were busy looking for a girl who could wonder off on her own and be close to the resort, but outside. That was the normal assumption took by the police who since the beginning realised that the abduction was impossible under the evidences of the crime scene.
When police and helpers where out, the Mccann's were in, not in the 5A I presume. Then Where?
When police stop the search that night and the helpers went back home, Gerry and Payne went out, before the sunrise( witnesses reported them out after 4 in the morning). They ask a priest and the keys of the church, but this could be to divert attentions from the shed and keep people looking to the church which they don't use that night, but after for their businness. In that scenary, the Smiths sight could be Gerry carrying a child from O'Brien ( both have been out of the table at the same time) and trying to be spoted by somebody to grab witnesses for the abduction theory. O'brien will be the controller at night and Payne in the early morning. If we look at the pictures of Gerry in May 4, he look tired but not teared. He look like somebody who was working the all night, not like somebody who was crying the all night.
Look like the twins did not sleep on that cots on May 3. The cots were without bedshits when GNR went the flat. ODD for a could night and not suporting Gerry proud Moment about Maddie and the twins sleeping peaceful (he lie). It was reported also that the police did not find evidences of Madeleine or the abductor in the bed from where Mccann's claimed she was snatched. It is impossible for somebody to sleep in the bed and not leaving evidences.
If we look at the Creche reports available in some sites in the Internet( I don't know if they are correct) we see that for May 3, madeleine look like a name added posteriori. The letter of who write her name is different then the others. Kate signed Kate Mccann when she was not Mccann and normaly the time must be added in a growing sequence, that means the first childs came out early then the last. We see all the other childs coming out following that sequence, then Madeleine going out at 12:15, after childs who go out at 12:30. Is it possible that a Nanny made such mistake with time? Because the handwritting for all other childs look different then the one for Madeleine, I assume, a Nanny write in the records, not the parents. Then who write for Madeleine? Off-course this is just a theory. But under that scenary, she died before May 3 night and for me also the last picture raise doubts- Too much light. A too sunny day for May, even in Algarve, special if they claim that the time was cloudy and cold. The background of the picture did not look like the pictures available in the Ocean Club site, for the swimming pool, but I don't know the place. Sorry, if I went out of the track.
About the last picture: ODD again, was delivered to the press and to police om May 24, after Gerry trip home, which happened on May 20 and 21.
ReplyDeleteTo be the last picture, must be available at the Cameras in the resort, immediately, on May 3 night. Why came out so late? if that picture was a fabrication, no prove for Madeleine alive in May 3, since no any independent witness saw her.
Paulo Sargento: Their interpretation is contrary to the death although there is evidence, cadaver odour, the smell of human blood and there is a set of forensic evidence that indicates, unfortunately, that the child is dead.
ReplyDeleteVoiceover: Gonçalo Amaral claims that there are witnesses who saw Gerry McCann carrying a child's body the night of Madeleine’s disappearance.
GA (image file): An Irish family met with a man that was carrying a child’s body in his arms. When they saw Gerry coming off the plane also with his child, said they were sure, to eighty percent, it was the same man they had seen just after Madeleine’s disappearance.
Anon 8.32...what a fascinating report and yes if it is true Kate on the last day signed the register as Healy and not Mccann..where was her mind? I am going to read your post again but slowly this time.
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ReplyDeleteMany thanks to JKH who has found a photograph of McCann wearing the same type of outfit the Gutter Express have this morning in their rag of the 'Stroller'...beige pants and a dark jacket just like Tanner described.
I'm trying to find out, but I read somewhere that Gerry mobile and one of the Tapas bar mobile ( O'Brien or Oldfield) were caught in an isolated area(triangulation). I'm not sure about the date, but must be important and close to May 3. Was that area close to the sheds?
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Hi Anon...oddly enough I was just looking at that, it is on Mccann files and all around the time a letter was received saying where Madeleine was buried..Utter rubbish according to Mccann...
Anon here are the links..interesting to look further into just EXACTLY they were up to around this time..
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http://www.mccannfiles.com/id78.html
I went back to Amaral book ' The truth about the lie'. He said that on May 3 night, by trianglation police found out that the mobiles of Murat, Malinka and Micaela were activated. Micaela phoned Murat, who phoned Malinka, then Micaela again. They gave an innocent explanation for that calls ( working). Could be true or not because there is also inconsistencies in the statements of this 3. Even if not relevant evdences were find on their belongs, this did not mean they are innocent. They could be the vehicle to connect some Tapas with other people in Algarve( I still sticked on the claim of the Hubbards- Why they said the Mccann's help them to set in Algarve if they arrive just one week before them and apparently did not know much people? I think, over the time, police have to realise that Mccann's know more people in Algarve on May 3 2007, then what they said. Who connected them to that people, is an important piece of the puzzle.
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According to early reports,Portuguese dogs followed a trail,using infra-red (therefore night) on 5th of May to Beach bar at Burgau- Eveleighs. See 668-669 external diligences. Reported by The Sun Sept 07." A small beach bar in Burgau where sniffer dogs detected the smell of death. Rebelo's searches in Oct. resulting from lab. tests concentrated on 15k radius of Burgau -on spots where mobiles used, in a radius of Luz and Burgau.
ReplyDeleteThat road where Smith sigting happend is so narrow, that is Mr. Smith say he saw Gerry McCann, then he saw Gerry McCann. There is no place for error.
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