Now, for those who don’t believe in Him, an opinion which I respect, you must at least agree with me that PdL seems to have been drawn up by someone that really, really wanted to make life as difficult as possible for the McCanns to get successfully away with their evil deed.
As PdL has been where it has long before the Tapas ever arrived there, one can only attribute this to an Entity beyond humanity.
I call him God, you may, or may not. Call It something else. If you do believe in Him, well, you must also agree that He’s one great prankster with the McCanns.
I can just imagine Him and Maddie giggling down on all the stupidity that her parents have put themselves into and are still stuck with in.
First, if you remember, if someone was to kidnap someone from Apartment 5A at PdL, he would go the opposite way in which Jane Tanner saw him go, as was not it's only the fastest way out for PdL, as it was where the best cover provided for such a thing to be done.
Whoever made those roads go they way they go and connect the way they do could only be thinking in making the McCann's life hard.
Then, we saw that the shortest way to the beach from the Ocean Club is, as you know, blocked. So the natural path takes one by the PdL Church, which the McCanns so much want to us to know that they don’t know it existed.
And you know why they want you to believe that? Because the Church is way too near where all the fun is, and where the fun is, is where you’re most likely to find a witness, when you want to find one.
We also saw that the Rua da Escola Primária was the most possible inconvenient location to stage a abduction simulation. Its shortness, its lighting, its varying steepness and its various multitudes of options to avoid it and avoid being seen in it, makes it mandatory for anyone to be seen there carrying barefooted blonde little girl on chilly night be only because he wanted to be seen there carrying barefooted blonde little girl there.
Couldn’t that street just be a tiny little shorter, a little bit darker and filled all the way with houses from top to bottom?
We also saw that dumping on the body on the beach made no sense whatsoever.
It also made no sense to be in Rua da Escola Primária if you wanted dump a body anywhere on the coast line.
Terrible little town when you just want to get away with a little "white" lie of hiding the fact that a little girl died there…
There are indeed many other little things about PdL that seem to really play against the McCanns that I’ll speak of them later, like the fact that the Tapas Bar has the entrance it has, and the space the bar has, or that the front entrances to the Apartments seem to have been drawn up just to contradict these people, and other such details, that I’ll keep to myself at this point in time.
It’s like PdL is itself a “Divine Conspiracy” against the McCanns.
Today I want to highlight another one of these of these things.
Mrs Fenn, says “when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out "we have let her down" which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below.”
From her words, besides those that are quite explicit (“Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother” and “from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below”) one can infer that Mrs and Mr McCann are together or close to each other when the facts said above happened. She sees Kate in despair and asks Gerry, right? Now let’s look at the Apartments 5A (McCann’s) and 5G (Fenn’s):
Now from another angle:
Have you noticed where the problem is? No, I’ll help you:
Doesn’t it seem that that thing was put there just to contradict Mrs Fenn's statement?
Like when they built that building by placing that simply decorative ledge they just “wanted” to clearly hamper the communication between those two specific floors? Making it impossible for the floor to have ANY visual contact with the terrace below?
We now get to know, for certain, that Mrs Fenn, from her balcony, DOESN’T have a view of the terrace, the immediate area of the street near the Apartment 5A, and to see the gate itself, only with a great deal of “leaning”… which might make us go back and review that whole thing about hearing or not the opening of the gate…
Would Gerry McCann be able to communicate with Mrs Fenn if standing on his terrace as pictured above? No, he wouldn’t. But does that mean that Mrs Fenn can’t speak to her downstairs neighbours, from her balcony, if she so desires? Of course she can:
There’s a small space in the McCann’s terrace, right in front of the couple’s bedroom where both parties can speak to each other.
By the way, that litttle ledge of terrace, has almost been ignored as existing up to now, but it’s there, as is shown, and not much used, and not much sense in using it.
Theoretically, then, that’s where Kate and Gerry were standing when Mrs Fenn saw and spoke to them. Kate, hysterically shouting “we’ve let her down, we’ve let her down”, and Gerry providing Mrs Fenn with the necessary clarification that "a small child" (why not his daughter?) had been abducted.
Sounds realistic to you?
To me, it doesn’t either, but let’s not let ourselves just go on feelings here.
We know for an alleged fact, that Kate sounds the alarm down at Tapas, and returns to the Apartment, followed closely by the remainder of the present Tapas, with the exception of Dianne Webster.
So we have either Kate coming up those apartment’s stairs alone, followed by the group where Gerry is included, or the group arriving together, Kate included.
It’s not humanly possible, much less for an elderly lady, for Mrs Fenn to, from when she hears the gate open, have the time to get up from her chair, open her balcony doors and lean over before the whole group is inside the Apartment below.
And Kate, as far as we know, hasn’t started to shout hysterically yet. REPEATEDLY.
And, we must also say, that Mrs Fenn doesn’t say anywhere that she does sees a group… So, definitely it’s not at this moment that she communicates with the couple.
We know also, as an alleged fact, that the McCanns didn’t search outside for their daughter.
We’re almost led to believe that they stayed inside the Apartment the whole time as soon as they arrived there. We now know that that is not allegedly so.
We have at least, that strange episode where Gerry throws himself incomprehensibly on the floor OUTSIDE, and we have Fiona Payne’s rogatory statement that clarifies things quite well:
1485 "How was Kate?”
Reply “Awful, I’ve never seen such horrible raw emotion in my life and I’ve seen a lot of it in my job. She, she was just bereft, she didn’t know what to do, she was just panicking, extremely frightened, extremely frightened for Madeleine and, was wondering where she was or what was happening to her. And the helplessness, of not being able to do anything, what should she be doing, what could they do.
She was angry, really angry, punching walls, kicking walls, she was covered in bruises the next day, because she just didn’t know what, what else to do.
She was angry at herself, she kept saying ‘I’ve let her down. We’ve let her down Gerry’, ‘We should have been here’. She was praying a lot.
I just don’t think she knew what to do, what to do. And she was just howling.
It was just, just awful. I think as time went on it just seemed a massive delay from when we said to Matt to phone the Police, that hour, it was an hour, it just seemed like an eternity, where nothing was happening, tut.
We’re all intelligent people, we were all trying to think what we should be doing and, what’s going to make a difference. And Kate’s ringing, Gerry’s ringing anybody under the sun, family, they just don’t, they honestly just didn’t know what to do..
So there was a lot of, Gerry’s in and out, I mean, they were just sobbing, going between sobbing and then feeling helpless and then ringing people and this frantic activity.
Kate was desperate to have a Priest, which, people find weird, but I think that was just her way of thinking ‘At least I can pray for Madeleine’ and her way of feeling that she was doing something. But she wasn’t functioning”.
1485 “Did the twins wake up at all?”
Reply “They didn’t. They didn’t”.
1485 “In the aftermath?”
Reply “No, and that was the other thing, she kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay.
But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn’t, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn’t, so much as blink”.
1485 “When you were with Kate in the aftermath, who else was in the apartment, I know you say that Gerry was coming and going, was there any other?”
Reply “Gerry was coming and going. Dave came in and, he came in initially with me, when I went to Kate, I don’t think he went in any of the bedrooms, I think he was just mainly in the living room trying to put together what they should all be doing really, he was talking more to Gerry, so he was in. I didn’t see Russell or any of the other group in, in Kate and Gerry’s apartment.
Fairly soon after, a girl called Emma, who, I don’t know what her position in MARK WARNER was, she was sort of I don’t know what you call them, she was mainly working at the reception area, just as a, tut, I don’t know what you call her job title, she was sort of looking after everybody”.
1485 “Just one of the travel assistants or something, yeah?”
Reply “Yeah. I mean, I don’t know what time she got there, it seemed quite early on, she was, she was in the room for the most part, it was me, Emma and Kate with Gerry and Dave sort of to’ing and fro’ing until the first lot of Police arrived”.
From her statement one can easily understand that Gerry went in and out various times, and could, certainly, be called by the non-curious and non-busybody and very reclusive elderly Mrs Fenn, and went into that little ledge of terrace and told her that a small girl had been abducted.
Perfectly natural, one would even dare say, Of course he could have asked her if she had, by any chance seen the small child, which by chance happened to be his daughter, around somewhere near, or, as he was absolutely certain that she had been abducted, if she had seen something or someone strange or unusual.
He could, but doesn’t.
As we know, he knew she hadn’t seen anything, so why bother waste time, when there are more important things are to be done like… ringing up family and everyone under the sun that late at night?
So the conversation between Gerry and Pamela is now, I hope, clear. As mud.
Also, from Fiona’s statement we can deduce that Kate was uncontrolled, INSIDE the apartment, her movements seem to be between the couple’s bedroom to the other to check on the twins. And banging walls.
And from the phrase “when I went to Kate, I don’t think he (David) went in any of the bedrooms”, we’re led to believe that when Fiona arrived, Kate was already in the bedroom, thus answering the previous question if Kate had or not arrived ahead of the group.
Fiona also says that Kate kept SAYING “I’ve let her down”, that she was PRAYING a lot and was just HOWLING.
I don’t know about you, but for me, howling is just the production of sound in an incomprehensible and very loud manner.
Not exactly perceptible, and not, I do think, to be taken as the already mentioned “we’ve let her down” hysterical screaming.
Mrs Fenn’s statement ONLY is coherent with Fiona Payne’s one if Kate went on that little ledge of the terrace and howled or hysterically screamed “we’ve let her down”. Then, and only then, she could've been seen by the elderly lady, because as the elderly lady says, she did see Kate.
Pity nobody but Mrs Fenn reports such a public demonstration of despair on Kate’s part. Or odd. Or telling.
I’ve said, and maintain, that “we’ve let her down” was an expression used by Kate PUBLICLY ONLY in the Tapas Bar, so either Mrs Fenn learned it in the way I just described above, or somebody told her (possibly over a cup of tea...), that Kate had said those exact words.
And if someone told her that, they might also have told her that she could use that information as if she herad it herself, thet it would be safe and correct to use it. If that did happen then… well, to put it bluntly, she’s lying because it didn't, in reality, occur in her presence.
Unless, of course, like I just said, she did see Kate on that little ledge.
I think that now, and I hope you agree with me, both Gerry’s dialogue, or monologue, with Mrs. Fenn's witnessing Kate’s hysterical shouting is clarified.
I can’t place these three characters, under the described conditions, together at around about 22:30, Mrs Fenn leaning on her balcony and Kate and Gerry being on that little ledge of the terrace. Can you?
I’ll leave you some pictures of where all this supposedly happened, so that you may help me, if you so desire.
As PdL has been where it has long before the Tapas ever arrived there, one can only attribute this to an Entity beyond humanity.
I call him God, you may, or may not. Call It something else. If you do believe in Him, well, you must also agree that He’s one great prankster with the McCanns.
I can just imagine Him and Maddie giggling down on all the stupidity that her parents have put themselves into and are still stuck with in.
First, if you remember, if someone was to kidnap someone from Apartment 5A at PdL, he would go the opposite way in which Jane Tanner saw him go, as was not it's only the fastest way out for PdL, as it was where the best cover provided for such a thing to be done.
Whoever made those roads go they way they go and connect the way they do could only be thinking in making the McCann's life hard.
Then, we saw that the shortest way to the beach from the Ocean Club is, as you know, blocked. So the natural path takes one by the PdL Church, which the McCanns so much want to us to know that they don’t know it existed.
And you know why they want you to believe that? Because the Church is way too near where all the fun is, and where the fun is, is where you’re most likely to find a witness, when you want to find one.
We also saw that the Rua da Escola Primária was the most possible inconvenient location to stage a abduction simulation. Its shortness, its lighting, its varying steepness and its various multitudes of options to avoid it and avoid being seen in it, makes it mandatory for anyone to be seen there carrying barefooted blonde little girl on chilly night be only because he wanted to be seen there carrying barefooted blonde little girl there.
Couldn’t that street just be a tiny little shorter, a little bit darker and filled all the way with houses from top to bottom?
We also saw that dumping on the body on the beach made no sense whatsoever.
It also made no sense to be in Rua da Escola Primária if you wanted dump a body anywhere on the coast line.
Terrible little town when you just want to get away with a little "white" lie of hiding the fact that a little girl died there…
There are indeed many other little things about PdL that seem to really play against the McCanns that I’ll speak of them later, like the fact that the Tapas Bar has the entrance it has, and the space the bar has, or that the front entrances to the Apartments seem to have been drawn up just to contradict these people, and other such details, that I’ll keep to myself at this point in time.
It’s like PdL is itself a “Divine Conspiracy” against the McCanns.
Today I want to highlight another one of these of these things.
Mrs Fenn, says “when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out "we have let her down" which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below.”
From her words, besides those that are quite explicit (“Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother” and “from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below”) one can infer that Mrs and Mr McCann are together or close to each other when the facts said above happened. She sees Kate in despair and asks Gerry, right? Now let’s look at the Apartments 5A (McCann’s) and 5G (Fenn’s):
Now from another angle:
Have you noticed where the problem is? No, I’ll help you:
Doesn’t it seem that that thing was put there just to contradict Mrs Fenn's statement?
Like when they built that building by placing that simply decorative ledge they just “wanted” to clearly hamper the communication between those two specific floors? Making it impossible for the floor to have ANY visual contact with the terrace below?
We now get to know, for certain, that Mrs Fenn, from her balcony, DOESN’T have a view of the terrace, the immediate area of the street near the Apartment 5A, and to see the gate itself, only with a great deal of “leaning”… which might make us go back and review that whole thing about hearing or not the opening of the gate…
Would Gerry McCann be able to communicate with Mrs Fenn if standing on his terrace as pictured above? No, he wouldn’t. But does that mean that Mrs Fenn can’t speak to her downstairs neighbours, from her balcony, if she so desires? Of course she can:
There’s a small space in the McCann’s terrace, right in front of the couple’s bedroom where both parties can speak to each other.
By the way, that litttle ledge of terrace, has almost been ignored as existing up to now, but it’s there, as is shown, and not much used, and not much sense in using it.
Theoretically, then, that’s where Kate and Gerry were standing when Mrs Fenn saw and spoke to them. Kate, hysterically shouting “we’ve let her down, we’ve let her down”, and Gerry providing Mrs Fenn with the necessary clarification that "a small child" (why not his daughter?) had been abducted.
Sounds realistic to you?
To me, it doesn’t either, but let’s not let ourselves just go on feelings here.
We know for an alleged fact, that Kate sounds the alarm down at Tapas, and returns to the Apartment, followed closely by the remainder of the present Tapas, with the exception of Dianne Webster.
So we have either Kate coming up those apartment’s stairs alone, followed by the group where Gerry is included, or the group arriving together, Kate included.
It’s not humanly possible, much less for an elderly lady, for Mrs Fenn to, from when she hears the gate open, have the time to get up from her chair, open her balcony doors and lean over before the whole group is inside the Apartment below.
And Kate, as far as we know, hasn’t started to shout hysterically yet. REPEATEDLY.
And, we must also say, that Mrs Fenn doesn’t say anywhere that she does sees a group… So, definitely it’s not at this moment that she communicates with the couple.
We know also, as an alleged fact, that the McCanns didn’t search outside for their daughter.
We’re almost led to believe that they stayed inside the Apartment the whole time as soon as they arrived there. We now know that that is not allegedly so.
We have at least, that strange episode where Gerry throws himself incomprehensibly on the floor OUTSIDE, and we have Fiona Payne’s rogatory statement that clarifies things quite well:
1485 "How was Kate?”
Reply “Awful, I’ve never seen such horrible raw emotion in my life and I’ve seen a lot of it in my job. She, she was just bereft, she didn’t know what to do, she was just panicking, extremely frightened, extremely frightened for Madeleine and, was wondering where she was or what was happening to her. And the helplessness, of not being able to do anything, what should she be doing, what could they do.
She was angry, really angry, punching walls, kicking walls, she was covered in bruises the next day, because she just didn’t know what, what else to do.
She was angry at herself, she kept saying ‘I’ve let her down. We’ve let her down Gerry’, ‘We should have been here’. She was praying a lot.
I just don’t think she knew what to do, what to do. And she was just howling.
It was just, just awful. I think as time went on it just seemed a massive delay from when we said to Matt to phone the Police, that hour, it was an hour, it just seemed like an eternity, where nothing was happening, tut.
We’re all intelligent people, we were all trying to think what we should be doing and, what’s going to make a difference. And Kate’s ringing, Gerry’s ringing anybody under the sun, family, they just don’t, they honestly just didn’t know what to do..
So there was a lot of, Gerry’s in and out, I mean, they were just sobbing, going between sobbing and then feeling helpless and then ringing people and this frantic activity.
Kate was desperate to have a Priest, which, people find weird, but I think that was just her way of thinking ‘At least I can pray for Madeleine’ and her way of feeling that she was doing something. But she wasn’t functioning”.
1485 “Did the twins wake up at all?”
Reply “They didn’t. They didn’t”.
1485 “In the aftermath?”
Reply “No, and that was the other thing, she kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay.
But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn’t, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn’t, so much as blink”.
1485 “When you were with Kate in the aftermath, who else was in the apartment, I know you say that Gerry was coming and going, was there any other?”
Reply “Gerry was coming and going. Dave came in and, he came in initially with me, when I went to Kate, I don’t think he went in any of the bedrooms, I think he was just mainly in the living room trying to put together what they should all be doing really, he was talking more to Gerry, so he was in. I didn’t see Russell or any of the other group in, in Kate and Gerry’s apartment.
Fairly soon after, a girl called Emma, who, I don’t know what her position in MARK WARNER was, she was sort of I don’t know what you call them, she was mainly working at the reception area, just as a, tut, I don’t know what you call her job title, she was sort of looking after everybody”.
1485 “Just one of the travel assistants or something, yeah?”
Reply “Yeah. I mean, I don’t know what time she got there, it seemed quite early on, she was, she was in the room for the most part, it was me, Emma and Kate with Gerry and Dave sort of to’ing and fro’ing until the first lot of Police arrived”.
From her statement one can easily understand that Gerry went in and out various times, and could, certainly, be called by the non-curious and non-busybody and very reclusive elderly Mrs Fenn, and went into that little ledge of terrace and told her that a small girl had been abducted.
Perfectly natural, one would even dare say, Of course he could have asked her if she had, by any chance seen the small child, which by chance happened to be his daughter, around somewhere near, or, as he was absolutely certain that she had been abducted, if she had seen something or someone strange or unusual.
He could, but doesn’t.
As we know, he knew she hadn’t seen anything, so why bother waste time, when there are more important things are to be done like… ringing up family and everyone under the sun that late at night?
So the conversation between Gerry and Pamela is now, I hope, clear. As mud.
Also, from Fiona’s statement we can deduce that Kate was uncontrolled, INSIDE the apartment, her movements seem to be between the couple’s bedroom to the other to check on the twins. And banging walls.
And from the phrase “when I went to Kate, I don’t think he (David) went in any of the bedrooms”, we’re led to believe that when Fiona arrived, Kate was already in the bedroom, thus answering the previous question if Kate had or not arrived ahead of the group.
Fiona also says that Kate kept SAYING “I’ve let her down”, that she was PRAYING a lot and was just HOWLING.
I don’t know about you, but for me, howling is just the production of sound in an incomprehensible and very loud manner.
Not exactly perceptible, and not, I do think, to be taken as the already mentioned “we’ve let her down” hysterical screaming.
Mrs Fenn’s statement ONLY is coherent with Fiona Payne’s one if Kate went on that little ledge of the terrace and howled or hysterically screamed “we’ve let her down”. Then, and only then, she could've been seen by the elderly lady, because as the elderly lady says, she did see Kate.
Pity nobody but Mrs Fenn reports such a public demonstration of despair on Kate’s part. Or odd. Or telling.
I’ve said, and maintain, that “we’ve let her down” was an expression used by Kate PUBLICLY ONLY in the Tapas Bar, so either Mrs Fenn learned it in the way I just described above, or somebody told her (possibly over a cup of tea...), that Kate had said those exact words.
And if someone told her that, they might also have told her that she could use that information as if she herad it herself, thet it would be safe and correct to use it. If that did happen then… well, to put it bluntly, she’s lying because it didn't, in reality, occur in her presence.
Unless, of course, like I just said, she did see Kate on that little ledge.
I think that now, and I hope you agree with me, both Gerry’s dialogue, or monologue, with Mrs. Fenn's witnessing Kate’s hysterical shouting is clarified.
I can’t place these three characters, under the described conditions, together at around about 22:30, Mrs Fenn leaning on her balcony and Kate and Gerry being on that little ledge of the terrace. Can you?
I’ll leave you some pictures of where all this supposedly happened, so that you may help me, if you so desire.
Update on Nov 24th, 2010: A photo sent in by a reader (sorry, I couldn't see which other two you were referring to):
Clearly, the lady on the balcony, which we suppose to be Mrs Fenn, can indeed see the stairs, although she does have to lean to do so, as we've said. But what is questionable is her "clear" view to the terrace below, which, in this picture, seems to be impossible.
Also very important in this picture, she CANNOT see the GNR standing outside on the street, or anyone else that might happen to be there.
Et Maddie pleurait, pleurait !!!
ReplyDeleteMaintenant, ses parents vont-ils écrire un livre pour lui demander pardon ?
Non, ce n'est pas leur objectif : c'est une course pour l'agent, une fuite en avant très médiatique.
Pour retrouver leur fille, la PJ les attends pour quelques questions mais ils refusent.
Maddie, tu n'avais des parents pour te protéger ..
Afraid you are loosing it big time now.
ReplyDeleteBeen there, seen it, no problem talking to your neighbors between balconies.
Once you start twisting facts to support a theory, you are a goner...
Johanna, been where, seen what? We're not talking about a normal conversation between neighbours, but between strangers, and in a stressful situation. Fenn's statement does not fit with what Textusa has written, and what he/she has written is there to see in the post. For me, I've yet to understand the why, but I agree with Textusa that Fenn is not telling the truth.
ReplyDeleteJohanna. You only have to have that conversation in your head to understand the scenario. The first thing the neighbour would have asked is what the activity was about and if she could help in any way.
ReplyDeleteGM saying 'a' little girl has gone missing sounds as though he was talking about some other person's child so she could have probed quite deeply without offence, IF it had happened. Looking at the photos it would only be possible to shout over the balcony without seeing who she was talking to....unless she knew the Mcs, who knows...maybe she was supposed to be the baby listening service.
Far from losing the plot, I think Textusa is adding practical information that we are not aware of. We only have to think of our own living space to relate to how aware others would be if something happened in our homes.
There is something out of place with everything to do with Mrs F as well as so many other things.
I think it's not entirely impossible for people to communicate between balconies, but it's a tricky thing, even dangerous for the one above. In order to be able to see the person you're talking to downstairs you have to lean over the bannister, and the same for the person below, he/she has to lean on backwards and look up. Tricky, hazzardous thing, if you are of considerable age or have vertigo...quite uncomfortable, but not impossible...
ReplyDeleteFrom PJ files, after the alarm been raised by Kate, the flat was innundate by people ( workers, OC clients and PDL residents)). Then, no window of opportunity for Mrs Fenn and the Mccann's to have a short conversation without being in front of other witnesses. What is also not clear is what Kate said when she raised the alarm. Was it "They take her" or "We let her down"? The Tapas said, Kate shouted from the balcony( trying to avoid the negligence of leaving the twins alone in a crime scene from where a child mysterious disappeared). The waiters at the Tapas said that Kate come back there and raised the alarm there. The old lady( Fiona mother) did not seems to be worried by the situation because she did not leave her chair in the Tapas to go to the 5A and see how she can help. A strange behaviour for a granny because granny's tend to be a duplicate mother, then more protective and more worried.
ReplyDeleteI put myself inside the situation to try to understand the all moment. I don't believe that any mother or father of a child who just disappeared, gave a chance to any neighbour to have such conversation described by Mrs. Fenn. Their mind was so busy with panic, shock, desperation, doubts, etc, that they just had time to spend with people that can really help them- The responsible of the Resort and the police. If Gerry had that conversation with Mrs Fenn, I can only achieve one conclusion: HE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED WITH LITTLE GIRL, then he don't need to stick at usefull helpers to help him recover his daughter, quick and safe. We should not forget that they are in a foreigner country, only for few days and they don't speak the language. Then, the lady incharged of Mark warnner Resort, must be the elected and not Mrs Fenn. But, if there was no abduction... If what is more important, is calling people in UK and start a plan with Media, then that corner, under Mrs. Fenn balcony, could be a quite place to do it. She did not saw Gerry making that calls, at least she did not reported it to the police, even after other less previled witnesses stated that they saw him and reported it to the police. For me, Mrs. Fenn is part of the charade, intentionnaly and accidentaly, or grabbed in by the "threatners" Mccann's, is my doubt. From where is she in UK? Any part close to Liverpool or the Town where Jane live? Here could be some clues. The case seems to have many connections in Liverpool and Exeter.
A Sra Fenn, ao reportar estas historietas a policia, demonstra algo muito importante no seu caracter:
ReplyDelete-Sai pouco. Pois faz questao de realcar que esta sempre em casa sozinha quando as coisas acontecem.
- E uma curiosa militante. Sempre de ouvido colado ao que se passa na vizinhanca. Se esta de ouvido atento, tambem deve estar de olho atento.
Atendendo a estas duas caracteristicas nao lhe escapa o que acontece na vizinhanca. Por isso e uma alta candidata a ter visto tudo quanto os Tapas fizeram no dia 3 de Maio. Tera visto movimentacao e limpeza estranha no apartamento, mesmo que a sua varanda nao seja propriamente uma plateia privilegiada para assistir ao espectaculo. Pode ter visto a saida do saco azul; a viagem de Gerry com a O'Brien Madeleine nos bracos, dirigindo-se a zona onde ha vida na noite da PDL e pode ter assistido a montagem do circo. E porque nao, a entrada em cena de D.Payne na tarde de 3 de Maio, no 5A. Pode ter sido realmente a espectadora priveligiada de todos os acontecimentos. Logo, alguem que os Tapas 9 tinham de manter debaixo de olho, desde o primeiro minuto. A Sra. Fenn pode ter achado estranho tudo quanto viu, sobretudo depois da policia lhe ter batido a porta e a noticia ter rebentado nos telejornais, mas nao ter dito nada, a espera de ver se alguem mais viu. Entretanto Jenny, muito solicita, montou uma barraca onde procura informacoes que ajudem a policia a perceber o que se passou( so a policia sabe que a barraca dela nada tem a haver com eles. O publico esta convencido que ela esta mesmo a ajudar a policia, afinal o filho ate e o tradutor). A sra. Fenn que nada disse a policia, descai-se na barraca de Jenny e alivia as suas duvidas contando o que viu. E apanhada pela teia. Todos sabem que sendo vizinha, ha uma grande probabilidade de ser interrogada pela policia. Preparam-lhe uma historia, um discurso que ela tem de contar e eles, os Mccann, se encarregarao de alimentar o folhetim. Assim nascem as angustiadas palavras de Maddie ao pequeno almoco reclamando porque nao vieram quando ela e o irmao choraram, e os depoimentos de Mrs. Fenn ja serodios no tempo. A sra. Fenn, como o que ela viveu nao e o que contou a policia, largou nos depoimentos uma serie de inconsistencias que fazem dela um objecto de estudo num crime que teria facilmente sido esclarecido se muitos dos protagonistas dos momentos paralelos, tivessem tido a coragem de dizer a verdade a policia. E a minha teoria porque nao acredito no Pai Natal nem na Sininho e no Peter Pan.
Textusa,
ReplyDeleteAnother brilliant post! For me it would make much more sense for Mrs Fenn to ask somebody else instead of Maddie's parents directly. Like when you're before a car accident, you first ask what is going on to potential witenesses never directly to those those involved. To these you address words of sympathy and offer your help, and not query them as they have enough on their hands and minds. I have no doubt that what Mrs Fenn has said about her talking to teh McCanns is FALSE. Why Textusa? Please do explain, will you?!?
"Of course he could have asked her if she had, by any chance seen his daughter around anywhere, or, as he was absolutely certain that she had been abducted, if she had seen something or someone strange or unusual." (Textusa)
ReplyDeleteIndeed this is so strange, Gerry calling people miles and miles away and not asking a neighbour, who was close to the scene, for information.
This is absolutely impossible if you think your child has been abducted.
Reading this post over again makes it even clearer Mrs F is a 'plant' or at least her words are.
ReplyDeleteIF she heard a child crying late the previous night why would she 'phone a friend' like the TV quiz show?
Some of the reasons could be
1 She thought a parent was with the child and it was ill and she couldn't sleep so wanted to moan to someone.
2 She was the listening service but knew there was no point phoning reception to alert the parents as they were off site. The child was not expected to wake so she was unsure what she should do. The door was locked so she couldn't get in to attend to crying child?
3 She saw the parents leave OC earlier and presumed the children were being looked after by someone and wanted to moan to someone.
4 The 'plan' was to phone a friend to produce yet another witness to support Mrs F's story to add to the 'negligence' idea.
5 The neighbour was somewhere near where the parents could be contacted.
None of this may be the real situation but it shows how many interpretations there are for her actions but nothing seems right still.
It leads me to believe Mrs F was involved in some way. Did G stand underneath the gap in the balcony deliberately to speak to her privately or did they speak at all? If they spoke he was standing in that particular place for a reason and that may be to make private phone calls and he was not expecting Mrs F to speak to him.
Nothing adds up about her words IF they were indeed HER words.
Does anyone know if Mrs F knew the owner of 5A?
@ Anon Nov 24, 2010 6:31:00 AM
ReplyDelete"The old lady( Fiona mother) did not seems to be worried by the situation because she did not leave her chair in the Tapas to go to the 5A and see how she can help. A strange behaviour for a granny because granny's tend to be a duplicate mother, then more protective and more worried."
The old lady got told by Fiona Payne, to stay at the table in case Madeleine would come there. She also gave her her baby phone so her mother can supervise her own children.
As for this conversation between Ms F and Gerry... would it not be totally normal, to tell direct neighbours what has happened and ask them, whether they have seen/heard something? That's the first thing I would do in such a case.
But if they really have talked over the balcony I don't know. Does not look as if its an easy thing to do.
But Fiona states in the interrogation, that Gerry was running in and out the appartment, so he could have been on the stairs.
http://picasaweb.google.com/svsport/Crimescene02#
ReplyDeleteThere is a picture of Mrs.Fenn on her balcony on this page (rows 2, 5 and 6 to the left of the page)
I think the clone theory is adding to the "clutter"
ReplyDeletewhy would Mrs Fenn lie,thats want would like to know,what would she gain by it.
ReplyDeleteMight I suggest that you look closely at the following images included in the web page http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/APARTMENT.htm.
ReplyDeleteYou would only need a foot-rule to measure the width of the overhang of the roman gutter, hardly an impediment to either hearing or speaking to someone below, nor even to seeing that someone should they be standing next to the hedge at the top of the stairs.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/balconies.jpg
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Tappas9/FENNL.jpg
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/stairs_back_appartment.jpg
Otherwise, some interesting thoughts from you, as usual.
Portugal.
Anon @ 11:02
ReplyDelete"The old lady got told by Fiona Payne, to stay at the table in case Madeleine would come there. She also gave her her baby phone so her mother can supervise her own children."
From where did you got that information? The waiters at the Tapas found it odd, the way that Fiona mother dealt with situation. On top of that, even after one of the childs been abducted, the all Tapas manage to leave their childs alone when they were searching(contaminating) the 5A and spotting Murat. The abductor could be around, or could be more then one.
Amazing was also the absolute certainity that there is only one abductor and he is a man. If we look at the stories of abduction involving young childs, we see that most of them were done by ladys who couldn't have childs. And behind that, there is an emotional reason. Mans tend to abduct old childs or teenagers and normally this is related with sexual psychoses or with a revange against the family.
The abductor only could be a man because they know who play that roll in Pdl streets to grab witnesses- Gerry.
Anon 4:40:00
ReplyDeleteThe info is from Fiona Payne's statement at the UK police. From this forum: http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com/
Its a bit time consuming tho, to read all of it. I have not read everything yet, but some i.a. full FP's police statement.
When the adults were searching for Madeleine in the beginning, they did not think of an "abductor", thus they searched for her. Payne kids were supervised by Fiona's mother via baby phone, who had order to stay at the table and JT and Oldfield kid's by JT it seems. Only 1hr later JT told Fiona about her sighting of an "abductor", but Fiona did not tell Kate, because she wanted to calm her down. At that time she stayed simply with Kate - as she is her best friend. Only Kate/Gerry spoke of an "abductor" immediately, the others not. They were just looking for a missing child, expecting her to be found in the surroundings of Ocean Club.
@Anon Nov 24, 2010 5:29:00 PM
ReplyDeleteI think the clone theory is adding to the "clutter".
I am just wondering WHY there was such a huge interference of the UK governt (Gordon Brown back then)into a crime investigation in a foreign country and I can't help but thinking, this would only occur, if matters of "national interests" are touched. Simply being a "buddy" of just ordinary "somebodies" cannot justify this massive Government interference &support given in favor of the McCann's and the other Tapas Doctors.
Also there is no doubt, that a PR machinery was let lose to support the "abduction" story worldwide. This must have been done by PR specialists but the McCann's ain't, never had to do anything with the press b4, right? This must have been planned long b4. IMO there must have been a plan/guidelines, whom to contact/what to do should something happen to this "matter of national interest" - a sudden death for instance. IMO the McCanns contacted the appropriate authority and got instructions. But somebody must have fucked up royale, thus they did not have time to prepare the alleged crime scene thoroughly. Thus, the media came in - bigger than planned - and later this Clarence Mitchell was allocated to them with the hope, he'd limit the damage that was being obvious already.
But they failed. Only due to massive pressure of Gordon Brown himself the PJ shelved this case and let the McCanns go home.
This opinion does not collide in any way with what Textusa is posting here about so many witnesses, who obviously got influenced. Why would an old lady lie for the McCanns? Because they give her money/intimidated her? Doubt it. But she would certainly if she was told by ppl with the Governt. ID-Cards/tags, she "helps" her country by doing so.
I also cannot think of any reason, why a bunch of well-off ppl like Doctors and entrepreneurs would hide the body of a child, that died of a merely accident instead of simply admitting that and cause such a hell of media/govt. interference, as was done in this case.
ReplyDeleteThus, IMO, it cannot have been just a "simple accident" to a normal child, but must have been a serious murder, IF she was a normal child indeed
or
something was wrong with the kid, that there was a need to hide the body. I.a. being a clone. (And there is evidence allover the net that that could well be the case. Her coloboma, that she was made a "Ward of court", the fucking up of her DNA, interference of govt. etc.)
So, where is the body? That is the main question that remains. IMO, the McCanns were obliged (in case of her death, no matter how she has died) to give her body back into the hands of scientists. Thus, the body was not found and cannot be found. And thus, they had to fake an abduction (this was not well thought out, tho).
It could be, that the McCanns saw an opportunity to make money out of this circumstances, because ppl started to donate money to them.
But by no means could they have known, that this will be the case and no media had ever supported them on such a large scale, had there not been massive interference of the govt.
BTW: I dont have anything against science and I think, I see it realistically. Allover the world, scientist have been busy (since 1996 and b4) to bring light into the human DNA and their main goal is finding out, why ppl get old and must eventually die. The first one who finds out, will make tons of money and gets remembered in history books. I do not condem the McCanns or the other doctors, if they are indeed part of such a secret genetic program.
I just find it ridiculous, that we are lied to so blatantly. But as I said, could be, the McCanns found out, its an easy way for them to make money and did so, despite of their obligations to the Govt.
Anybody who could enlighten me of anything else, WHY well-off ppl like doctors etc. would fake an abduction on such a huge scale (its lots of work to feed the media)and hide the body of an accidentially killed kid, are more than welcome. My opinion is just that: an opinion.