Even though Textusa has to go away for a few days to attend to her relative, who has taken a turn for the worse, she is still thinking of you readers.
She asked me to tell you that she needs to spend the next few days with this dear person. It is a very distressing time for all the family and Textusa is the person who shoulders most of the burden to lessen the load for the others.
I know you will join May I and me wishing and hoping that the person will show signs of recovery soon.
We still have lots to share with you and I will be publishing comments until she is back with us so please do keep sending your comments.
For those of you who believe in the power of prayer your devotions would be most welcome.
All my best wishes Textusa.
ReplyDeleteI will still go to your blog every day as usual but it won't be the same without you heading your 'team'.
On your return I hope you will be discussing Scotland Yard's recent visit to Portugal and have an opinion on why the Mccanns are not shouting from the rooftops about it. So far there is an eerie silence from Rothley, could it be because Mitchell has moved jobs? Maybe something you said in the past "be careful what you wish for" has happened. But there again, they didn't wish for a new enquiry just a repeat of the old one.
If SY whitewash the affair they will have no credibility whatsoever in the wake of resignations and the cost of the hacking scandal.
My heart also suffers much always in these times.
ReplyDeleteAll my thoughts and desire for a miracle.
But I'm probably out of date about what is going on.
Textusa: a very big and warm, tender hug.
Textusa, I'm sorry to hear your poor relative has had a relapse. I hope for better health for this person and hope to see you back again soon. I have a few things I would like to offer the blog by way of things that have not yet been discussed.
ReplyDeleteYes..... i feel so sad because Textusa is having a bad time with Her´s relative... so sad...
ReplyDeleteI wish hope to Her Family and no bad surprises.
Crossing my fingers and positiv thoughts....
To You, Text and to Your´s Family i wish to say i am here with You all !
ReplyDeletexx, coffee, the usual
I know that You can not come read the blog but i write; no matter.
I guess some people are feeling the pressure is off them for a while as Textusa is away.
ReplyDeleteA few people have sent Textusa messages of support which are not for publication. I have forwarded them to her and I'm sure she will feel comforted to know the level of support being given.
ReplyDeleteThank you to all those caring people.
I hope your relative recovers quickly, Textusa. We miss you.
ReplyDeleteGod Bless you and your relative at this very hard time. My thoughts and prayers are with you. You are an amazing person, Textusa! Be strong.
ReplyDeleteTapas cooker break the silence:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU9Us7IPc_Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player
If she tells the truth about the dinner, was " steak au poivre" and " robalo". How Kate mistakes robalo with sardines? No reference to the Quiz night or to the big round table.
The reporter ask her if she saw the McCann's on the dinner, she says yes because their table was 3 meters away from the barbecue where she was. I still looking at that with ?????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPJ_Mclv4Jc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
ReplyDeleteWatching again that video, I have serious doubts that this video is from the trip to PDL. Only the paynes ( Fiona & DW) and the mccann's are recorded on the video. I assume who was recording was David Payne since is a male voice and he is absent on the video. The children, are the 3 mccann's and the 2 paynes. I presume who is next Madeleine is Fiona daughter since she looks younger then Madeleine and Janes daughter has the same age as Madeleine. If they came in a big group, why only this 2 families were recorded? Because is another trip only with 2 families? Because the paynes and the mccann's are more on" each other" and the others were not so friends? If so, why one of the Tapas 7 is the marriage godfather of Payne( if I'm not in error, is O'brien).
If that trip was not to PDL, then the picture of Madeleine in the swings is also suspected because she is wearing exactly the same clothes. I always found odd, why she wears the same clothes she use in the airplane? Was the picture taken on the day they arrived?
Anon @ Sep 10, 2011 9:38:00 AM
ReplyDeleteThe video link you posted shows what appears to be the McCanns and Paynes on an airport bus. They travelled from East Midlands airport and the rest of the party flew from Gatwick.
You may well be right that this is not THE holiday and I have read elsewhere that the plane Maddie is boarding is not one that flies to Faro but I wouldn't know about that.
More interesting is who posted the video on Youtube and why. It doesn't do G Mc any favours.
The party arriving from different airports does make one wonder if they were really on a package deal or what sort of 'package deal'.
In the PJ files it does say a lot of the booking forms and other paperwork has been tampered with so all the information we see about flights, apartments, bookings may not be accurate.
Anon. 10:19,
ReplyDeleteI could be mistaken, but I had the idea that the paynes arrived before the mccann's. I need to see the information again.
The Paynes and McCanns traveled together, the other two families traveled together from a different airport.
ReplyDeleteIt is quite normal for tour companies to have the facility for people to travel from a regional airport , so I don't see anything unusual in that.
I can't see why it would be any other holiday - as far as I know, Dianne Webster did not accompany them on other holidays, and she was clearly pictured on that video. Plus if the children had been a year younger it would have been pretty obvious.
If the holiday lasted for more than week, then it would be difficult for the McCs to convey the idea that they were "holed up" in the OC, and didn't know anything of PDL. Maybe this holiday was for much more than a week, or two...
ReplyDeleteMark Warner do not now or have ever offered flights from regional airports as part of their package deal. So the McCanns and Paynes did not have the 'package' deal.
ReplyDeletePlease also check DW's statement as she says they ordered a taxi to take the group from Faro airport to Praia da Luz. They did not travel on the Mark Warner bus which was also included in the package.
Whether Mark Warner offered it or not is completely immaterial. Perfectly possible that the McCanns and Paynes organised their own flights from East Midlands rather than travel to Gatwick.
ReplyDeleteWhat is clear, however, is that the Paynes and McCanns traveled together, and the O'Briens and Oldfields traveled together - but from a different airport.
In fact, this is borne out in the rogatory statement of David Payne
''There was err you know some discussion about where we would fly from and who would fly with who and whether we take the Mark Warner flights and from that point of view we err originally, we eventually settled on that you know we would fly out from East Midlands with Kate and Gerry because the timing of the flights was, was perfect, it wasn’t too early in the morning you know so we don’t have to go at some ridiculous hour, we don’t want to arrive there with kids err tired, and err so you know we, we, err myself, Fiona and L*** and Scarlet then flew out with err Kate and Gerry, Sean, Amelie and Madeleine, and err you know that was basically how we ended up booking the holiday and arriving there.”
00:13:15 1485 "Okay. I’ll just go back to a few things what you’ve said, who did you book the holiday with?”
Reply "Err the, I mean we booked it directly through Mark Warner.”
Not really sure why there is any mystery over this?
Anon at Sep 10, 2011 7:51:00 PM
ReplyDeleteThere is no mystery that the group took different flights. If they were so worried about the cost of a babysitter I would have thought they would not want to pay extra for flights and taxis.
I don't know why this concerns YOU so much you have to find a statement to support what we already know. The group did not take advantage of the Mark Warner package deal.
Oh come on, don't be ridiculous. The cost of a babysitter has never been an issue - they were just too arrogant and uncaring to think one was necessary.
ReplyDeleteEarlier, there were suggestions that the video was from another holiday when it clearly wasn't. If you want to go off at a complete tangent, it's up to you. If people post inaccuracies, don't be too surprised if someone else corrects them.
Anonymous Sep 10, 2011 8:47:00 PM said...
ReplyDelete"Oh come on, don't be ridiculous. The cost of a babysitter has never been an issue - they were just too arrogant and uncaring to think one was necessary".
A nerve has been touched by the comment at 8.06. The level of protestation is meaningful. So now the holiday dates are brought up once again...why? Is this to distract from the real issues or denial of some facts? I'd now like to know more.
As credit card statements were not allowed to be part of the enquiry (crazy in itself) how do we know the wherebouts of certain members of the group?
I think it's time to do some more research as the date issue has been highlighted.
Anon 8:47, is the discussion, what allows to correct things.
ReplyDeleteAbout the trip to PDL
ReplyDelete-from statements to PJ on 4/5/07:
.Gerry: " The present journey was made at the suggestion of a friend that accompanied him, DAVID PAYNE, who made a reservation at the Ocean Club, following an internet search, for the deponent, his wife and the rest of the group, in a total of nine adults and eight children, including the missing minor, Madeleine. The group was made up of people the deponent has known for five or six years.
They travelled in two separate groups, one composed of the deponent, his wife KATE and their three children, and the other one by his friend DAVID and his wife, their two children and his mother-in-law. The deponent travelled from the local airport (Leicestershire) and the other group,
comprised of four adults and three children, departed from London.
The meeting point was the Ocean Club in Portugal. The deponent's group arrived there at 2.30 pm on April 28th
from Faro airport on an airport mini bus. The other group arrived the same day at around 1 pm, also using a mini
bus. " a little confused that description of "one group and another group". At certain point looks like if the Paynes are from other group- translations confuse maybe.
.Kate: "This trip came at the suggestion of friends, who convinced them, at the end of last year, to spend their holiday in Portugal. The witness thinks that this trip was organised by David Payne, who made the Praia da Luz Ocean Club reservation on the Internet for the witness and her husband, as well as for the rest of the group, a total of nine adults and eight children, including her daughter Madeleine. She has known some members of the group since the year 2000 and others for a year. She was a
colleague of David's wife.
They travelled in two separate groups. One of the groups
was composed of the witness, her husband Gerard and their three children, and the other one was composed of
their friend David and his wife, the mother-in-law and their two children. The departure points, by plane, were
Leicestershire and London.
After the trip, the meeting point was in Portugal, at the Ocean Club, where the witness's group arrived on
Saturday April 28th at around 3pm from Faro airport in an airport mini bus. The other group arrived on the same day,
late morning." Again the same confusion with groups? For me, looks like Kate and Gerry again swollen the same cassete. she was not sure about who book the holidays but thinks was Payne. (cont)
Cont:
ReplyDeleteCont:
.Jane: " She has been on holiday in Portugal since last Saturday, 28th April, staying at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, Lagos, together with her partner (Russell O'Brien), their two children and three couples (Gerald McCann and Kate Healy, Matthew Oldfield and Rachael Mampilly and David and Fiona Payne. The group also included Fiona Payne's mother, Dianne Webster.
She was accompanied by her two children, E**a O'Brien aged three and E**e O'Brien aged one.
The other couples also brought their children, G***e Oldfield aged one (the daughter of Rachael Mampilly and Matthew Oldfield), L*** Payne aged two and S******* Payne, aged 11 months (daughters of David and Fiona Payne) and the twins Amelie and Sean McCann aged two and Madeleine McCann who would be four in two weeks time (children of Kate and Gerry McCann).
They were on holiday, which they (the couples) had arranged from England where they are friends. They travelled through the Mark Warner agency." as usual, she is good with descriptions(?) and give good answers to the questions. I'm assuming PJ asked the same questions to the all Tapas 9. Kate and Gerry delivered a cassette they were probably training the night before while half PDL were worried searching their daughter. Jane was in the moon, filling the police papers with names and few information. The egg man follow the same style. No mention of the traveling groups.
.Oldfield: " That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007 and that he is staying at the Ocean Club in
Praia da Luz. That he expects to return to England on Saturday May 5th 2007. That he has known Madeleine's parents for around five years. That the little girl will be 4 years old next Saturday. That he was spending his holiday
with Madeleine and her parents. That they had come as a group and that this group is composed of 9 adults and eight children. The adults are Diane, David and Fiona
(children: Scarlett and Lily) Russell and Jane (children Evie and Ella) Rachael (daughter Grace) respectively the wife and the daughter of the interviewee, Gerry and Kate
(children: Amelie, Sean - twins aged two - and Madeleine)
That the idea of spending the holiday in Portugal came from the couple David and Fiona and that it is they who
reserved the accommodation. That this reservation was made 4 or 5 months ago." Another one who don't mention the two traveling groups. He shares Jane cassette.( cont)
Cont:
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. D Payne: "That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007, staying at the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz. That he plans to return to England on May 5th 2007 (Saturday). That he has known Madeleine's parents for around 5 years. That he was on holiday with Madeleine and her parents. That he came with a group. That the group is composed of nine adults and eight children. The adults are: Diane, the interviewee and his wife (children: Scarlett and Lily), Russell and Jane (children: Evie and Ella), Matthew and Rachael (child: Grace), Gerry and Kate
(children: Amelie, Sean and Madeleine).
That they came to Portugal via a tour operator. That it was the interviewee who booked the trip." again no mention of the 2 separate groups. He delivered Jane and Oldfield cassette.
.Fiona: "She has known the girl's parents, Gerard (sic) and Kate, for about seven years. She got to know them through Kate when they worked together. It was also at this time that she got to know her [Kate's] husband in social settings.
She knows that the couple has three children, twins who are two years of age and Madeleine, who was almost four years old.
The witness has two children, of the female sex, who are two and one years old respectively. The idea of travelling
to Portugal came from her husband David....
She arrived in Portugal on the 28th April, at around 12h00, leaving from Leicestershire, and arriving at Faro and then on to Praia da Luz. From Faro, she arrived at the Ocean Club via mini bus taken from the airport." well Fiona tried mccann's cassette but also didn't mention with who she travelled. She came from Leicester like the mccann's but arrived at 12, while Gerry was at 2:30 and Kate at 3:00. we can always think, Fiona was talking about the time the plane touched Faro soil and Kate and Gerry about the time the bus arrived to the OC. The bus took 2:30-3:00h to go from Faro to PDL?
.Rachel: "Since last Saturday, April 28th 2007, she has been on holiday in Portugal at the Ocean Club tourist complex in Praia da Luz, accompanied by her husband Matthew Oldfield. They traveled from London to Faro airport with their daughter Grace, aged 19 months. This trip was organised for a group of nine adults and eight children. Her husband and her daughter are part of the group:
The couple, Russell O'Brien and Jane Michelle Tanner, with their daughters, Ella aged three and a half and Evie aged 19 months.
* David and Fiona Payne with their daughters Lily aged three years and Scarlett aged 12 months.
* Gerald (Gerry) McCann and Kate MCann with their twins, Sean and Amelie, aged 26 months and Madeleine aged 4 years. Also in their group is Diane Webster, Fiona Payne's mother.
The holiday was organised because the men in the group
are all doctors, apart from Fiona Payne and Kate McCann who worked together for a long time. These shared holidays are usually organised for the whole group, although for the last holiday, last September, Gerry
McCann and Kate McCann did not go to Greece with the group.The interviewee has known the couple, Gerry and Kate, since 2003. Her husband, Matthew, knew them from before. On arrival at the airport, they were transported in a, "Mark Warner," company bus." another one who found irrelevant how the group travelled. No mention of the 2
groups. She seems to have memorized Jane, Oldfield and David cassette. She gave an important information "These shared holidays are usually organised for the whole group, although for the last holiday, last September, Gerry
McCann and Kate McCann did not go to Greece " they use to do holidays together and DW is part of the group always(?)( cont)
Cont:
ReplyDelete. D Webster: "She is FIONA's mother. She had accompanied her, her husband and her two small children. She has known the parents of the missing child, Kate and Gerald, for around four years, through her daughter. They have since become friends.
She states that the McCann couple have three children, twins aged two and Madeleine, nearly four years. She thinks the idea of coming to Portugal came from her daughter. She believes her daughter knows Portugal.
The informant arrived in Portugal on April 28th at around 12h20/12h30 from Leicestershire to Faro and then to Praia
da Luz. From Faro to the Ocean Club they they used the airport's shuttle service." another one forgetting to mention the way the groups traveled. She believes her daughter knows Portugal while her daughter says it was the first time she came to Portugal.
.O'Brien: "The informant completely corroborates the statements by his partner Jane Tanner and Rachael Mampilly. Interview taken by the signatory to the present deed, J.C., police inspector. Concerning the journey, the make-up of the group and the usual routines of the adults and children of the group, of which the informant is part, at the Ocean Cub, he states that:
Apart from his partner, he is on holiday with their children E**a O'Brien, aged three years and E**e O'Brien aged one year. He works as a doctor. He is a colleague of (Gerry)
McCann, having worked together for six months. His partner became pregnant around the same time as Gerry's wife. The informant's daughter, E**a, and Madeleine Beth
McCann are more or less a month apart in ages." Jane Cassette again and no mention of the traveling groups. An important information- Madeleine and his daughter have the same age, more or less a month( this means 1 month? ) difference.
- From the statements of the all Tapas 9 on 4/5/07 is not clear for me, who travelled with who.
- there is clearly Two trained cassettes to be delivered to the police: mccann's & Fiona/ Tapas 6
- from the above I assumed, Fiona was the lady friend who stayed in the flat with mccann's when GNR asked everybody to leave. They were preparing the answers for the hypothetical police questions and the other 6 were doing the same in another place. There was no time to match perfectly the speech. They end up with 2 cassettes. Why for the mccann's was relevant mentioning with who they travelled, even with confusion and for the others not? Was it, because Fiona had a bus trip recorded on her mobile or on her husband mobile? The trip could be from any bus going to anywhere. But I'm going to assume, was to PDL.
No wonder the McCanns wanted THEIR list of questions asked by Leicester police for the rogatory letters. T9 had tried to rehearse the answers?
ReplyDeleteThe information given in these letters varies from what was told to the PJ. I can't remember whether T9 met together secretly at a Rothley hotel before these rogatories were given.
Dear Textusa, Wishing you strength and health for your relative and a speedy recovery!
ReplyDeleteBefore going to what the tapas said about the trip while answering the rogatory letters, I found that statement very interesting:
ReplyDeleteLeicestershire Constabulary
Witness Statement: Emma Louise KNIGHT -18 /4 /08
Age if less than 18:
Occupation: Hotel Manager
Source: mccannfiles.
( I'm just copying and paste what calls my attention, but deserves to bevread in full)
"...In March 2007 I travelled to the Mark Warner complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal. My position was Client Support Manager and my function was to receive and welcome the new guests and be available to resolve any problem that might arise during their stay.
The Praia da Luz complex covers a large area and for this reason there were several locations where I worked during the day, such as the reception, the Tapas bar area and the Millenium Restaurant.
On the night of 3rd May.... At about 22h17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing. I met Lyndsey and the Service Manager, Amy Tierney, near to the Tapas Bar and we initiated the 'Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child'. (WHAW, THERE IS A MARK WARNER PROCEDURES FOR THE SEARCH OF A MISSING GIRL? HOW MANY WENT MISSING BEFORE? NOTE, THE PROCEDURES WERE READY AT 22h17. WHEN WAS THE ALARM RAISED? WE WILL SEE THE PROCEDURES)
"...This procedure involved the distribution of leaflets that had already been prepared, with the names of the locations, for the members of staff, indicating the zones that they should search. Once the location indicated had been searched, the leaflet was returned and another one with a different location was handed over. This procedure was followed by the members of staff, but on that night about 6 residents from the complex were also involved in the search." (THAT PUZZLES ME. LEAFLETS READY AT 22:17 WITH LOCATIONS TO BE SEARCHED? WHY MW WANTED THE GUESTS AND WORKERS TO SEARCH SOME SPECIFIC LOCATIONS AND WHY HE ACTS AS A SUBSTITUTE OF THE POLICE CONTROLLING THE SEARCH? The 6 residents are from the Tapas list??)
"...at the beginning of the procedure went to the McCann's apartment to obtain the girl's description and of the clothes she was wearing when she disappeared. When I arrived at the apartment.... It was Mrs Payne who provided me with the details that I needed.( THEN, FEW MINUTES AFTER 22:17, FIONA DELIVERED TO THE PUBLIC THE CLOTHES MADELEINE WAS WEARING. I MUST ASSUME JANE KNOWS THE INFORMATION AT THE SAME TIME) Cont.
Cont my previous post@ 10:59:
ReplyDelete..."I returned to the location where the leaflets were being distributed and passed on the information that I had gathered about the missing girl. Lyndsey was busy with the distribution of the leaflets and I went to search in the beach area. On my return I passed by the Duke Pub where I met other members of staff who also joined in the searches.
The hotel manager, John Hill arrived at the location from which the searches were being organised and I can confirm that he called the police." ( THEN, A LOT OF SEARCHES BEFORE THE POLICE BEEN CALLED WITH PARENTS IN THE FLAT. NOW i'm confused because up to now i was thinking who call the police was Silvia and after her, Gerry. Looks like was mr John. Carrying on..."john stayed at the location and I several times went to search the grounds. I went with Amy and we searched the highest part of the complex behind the apartments..... John asked me to go to the apartment the girl had disappeared from and, on behalf of Mark Warner, provide all the help the family might need. I went to the McCann's apartment...
The twins were still asleep in the children's bedroom...
A short while later, Gerry returned to the apartment accompanied by Russell"...(WERE NOT RUSSEL AND GERRY, THE TWO ABSENT FOR QUITE LONG TIME DURING THE DINNER, WITH RUSSEL HAVING THE EXCUSE OF ONE OF IS CHILDS SICK ( vomiting) ?
..."I do not remember the exact sequence of events at this time (she was on mccann's flat) but I do remember that I phoned John, who informed me that the police were on their way."(all this activities before the police arrive).
..."I remember that the police arrived between 00h00 and 00h30...At that moment I went to check on the twins in their room and they were ok.....I remember being in the main bedroom with Kate, Mrs Payne, Gerry, Russell and David who were sitting on the bed and I sat on the floor....(why the main bedroom and not the living room or the twins room? Wasn't on the main room the cadaver scent was found in a wardrobe?)...."On one occasion Kate and Gerry both went to the main bedroom and I could hear both of them crying.....Quite a bit later that night I remember the police asking everyone to leave the apartment. I received a call from John informing me that he had arranged for another apartment for the McCanns.
I left the new apartment at 04.30 in the morning after instructions from John Hill. I was the last to leave, the police had already left, but I left my number saying that I was available for anything that might be needed."( why staying in mccann's new apartment while outside a huge search is on the way? What was she doing there?)( cont)
Cont:
ReplyDelete...."I returned to work at 08h00. I did not see Kate or Gerry during the whole morning, but went to the new apartment at about lunchtime. Kate and Gerry were not there but there were other members of the group taking care of the twins"....(they were probably answering questions to the police)...."I remember that both Kate and Gerry were calmer that day and Kate had stopped crying"... ( no worries about the girl under the hands of a paedo)..." They were accompanied by family members who had travelled to Portugal and by the local priest"...(NO COMMENTS...TO BE DIGESTED)
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/270496/Kate-McCann-flies-to-Germany-in-hunt-for-missing-Maddie
ReplyDeleteSo ridiculous.... She is going there to promote and Try to sell her book. What moves her is the hypothetical money she can pick from naif people who were not aware of what is in the police files.
To avoid all the negative opinion of the public, they changed the strategy... Instead of promoting, hunting. Who can she hunt? She is not the police. She has no legal power to arrest, interview or search anybody in anywhere. That prepotence and narcissism is disgusting. Call it, what it is.... A business.
I am a bit confused about the comments relating to the Mark Warner complex having a procedure in the event of a child going missing. This is a perfectly normal thing to have in place, the same as companies might have an evacuation procedure in the event of a fire - they don't need to have had a previous fire in order to have such a procedure in place!
ReplyDeleteHospitals have Major Incident plans and protocols, regardless of whether they have ever had to deal with one. Personally, I think it is excellent that Mark Warner had a procedure in place to ensure the searching was thorough and systematic, and I don't understand why it is being questioned.
4:46,
ReplyDeleteSorry, a child going missing is not compared with a fire. I worked in many schools, where the security of all children is a must, and schools are potential targets for abductors, and never a school had leaflets or something close to that to search a child. Not made internal or coming from the ministry of education.
The main rule should be calling the police, since the flat was searched by the family, the immediate surrounds by workers and guests and was night.
The lady talks about searching the beach, before the police arrives. How many trails were destroyed or contaminated? Such procedure could not be to help the quick recover of the child. That is confusion, not organization. Wonder why at 22:17 the confusion was already settled if the alarm just happened? Was that the same organization that lead the manager of the OC to go with a Tapas 7 to knocked on the Wilkins door announcing the disappearance of a child but at same time telling the Wilkins to stay at home because nothing could be done?
wonder why the mccann's want free access to the all investigation.
Oh yah, was not Jane who said she didn't know exactly what Madeleine was wearing? Could be a pink pyjama with blanket or without blanket. Not sure about the pattern. At the end the pajama she describes appears yellowish while under the street lights. Fiona was delivering to the public, which clothes was maddie wearing, almost immediately after the alarm. Jane took the full night, or more, to know that?
ReplyDeleteSo what are you saying - that Mark Warner's shouldn't have had a protocol in case a child went missing, or that they didn't? Because it would certainly appear that they did, and that they activated it that night. I think the suggestion that such a search could have caused confusion is complete rubbish - the sort of excuse the McCanns would come out with for doing nothing. What exactly is your problem with a properly organised and co-ordinated search?
ReplyDelete@ 6.33
ReplyDeleteI think what is being questioned is that nobody else mentions any alert system. It seems some witnesses tell completely different stories. The story about the cards being issued doesn't make sense in the context of a child missing at night, purportedly 'abducted'. It may be there is something in place for the nannies if they take children away from the creche and one 'goes missing' on the beach for example.
Normally a head count is done and with toddlers I would think staff would not take their eyes off their charges for a second.
Maybe this is the sort of distraction that we have come to know for what it is. Keeping us focused on search cards and systems stops us discussing more important facts.
The first and last responsibility is to the parents.
ReplyDeleteThey only wanted to cover up the events, refused all
help, they agreed only to those from ministers.
They crap from day one. And, unfortunately, that day especially, they enlarged the trash.
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Text: my hope with positiv thoughts and fingers
crossed
xx
It has always struck me as crazy to get photos and descriptions of Maddie and what she was wearing distributed immediately. If it was really believed she had wandered off then how many distressed toddlers would be wandering around PdL late at night? If she really had been abducted how many abductors put their victims on display?
ReplyDeleteWell....apart from Jane Tanner's 'abductor'.
Other witnesses DO mention a Missing child protocol being activated. Just because the issuing of cards doesn't make sense to you personally, that doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Mark Warner representatives stated later that there was no sign of a forced entry, smashed shutters etc - so they may well have worked to the assumption that she could have wandered off - it wasn't up to them to decide what had happened; their role was just to implement the procedure.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Jane Tanner's abductor, have you noticed the incredible resemblance to the German guy the MCanns are now showing an interest in after German reporters came to Leicestershire to interview them?
ReplyDeletehttp://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2011/09/11/kate-mccann-flies-to-germany-in-hunt-for-missing-maddie/#comment-13147
Is this the new Hewlett?
This would be funny if it wasn't so serious.
Search cards?????
ReplyDeleteWhat the heck good would they do....if they existed?
Please tell me this is a joke.
I really can't understand what the issue is here. First it is claimed that no-one else mentions any alert system - well, that is just wrong. Several others mention this procedure in their statements, and that they participated in it.
ReplyDeleteThe cards seemed to be a way of allocating specific areas to be searched, so that the search was properly organised - so what exactly is your problem with that??
You can't claim that it didn't happen that way just because you would have done it differently. There is plenty of corroboration in the police files to show that this is indeed what happened. If you know different, then how exactly do you know this ??
@ 8.07 "The cards seemed to be a way of allocating specific areas to be searched, so that the search was properly organised - so what exactly is your problem with that??"
ReplyDeleteThe Mcanns insisted from the get-go Maddie had been ABDUCTED! Would the staff of MW been able to deal with that using some cards?
I think it's time to ditch the cards. They are not adding to the debate. I think Textusa calls it clutter.
My thoughts are with her at the moment.
The McCanns might have insisted that, but there is no indication whatsoever that the Mark Warner people agreed with them. Presumably they do not have a separate missing child protocol for each set of circumstances, so they would have activated the one they had.
ReplyDeletePerhaps you should take up the issue of the 'cards' with the person who raised it. It's baffling why suddenly the whole issue of the missing child protocol was brought up, and why people are commenting without reading he files
"The cards seemed to be a way of allocating specific areas to be searched".... Or not. If you have a specific place where you don't want people to be, what you do? You divert the attention for other places. For that, you need something to convince ... The leaflets to focus people in special areas and take them away from other area. I'm not saying that was the case but is really strange to have everything ready at 10:17 when the alarm was raised few minutes before.
ReplyDeleteWasn't strange to have a call from a creche manager at 22:17 informing 'the girl had gone missing?' why 'the' girl and not 'a' girl? And why a creche manager if she was not under the care of any nanny?
Why mrs Silvia Baptista, also a manager in the OC, who received GNR and went to mccann's flat didn't mention the search or the leaflets on her statement? Silvia was not believing the abduction due to the conditions of the crime scene. For me, seems that Ema told too much to Leicester police.
Sep 11, 2011 7:30:00 PM
ReplyDelete"Other witnesses DO mention a Missing child protocol being activated.
Please can you name one witness or give a quote from the PJ files what this prescribed protocol was?
Googling Mark Warner procedure came up with this......By contrast, Mark Warner started a password policy for people picking their children up from their kids’ clubs after Madeleine McCann went missing from their Praia da Luz resort in Portugal (although she was not in a kids’ club when she disappeared). If you don’t remember the password, even if you dropped your child off in the morning, you can’t take them out".
ReplyDeletePerhaps this system was already in place when Maddie went missing because if you look at the creche records we are led to believe are real then some parents didn't take their children out. No wonder they needed a night creche!
Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete"The cards seemed to be a way of allocating specific areas to be searched".... Or not. If you have a specific place where you don't want people to be, what you do? You divert the attention for other places. For that, you need something to convince ... The leaflets to focus people in special areas and take them away from other area. I'm not saying that was the case but is really strange to have everything ready at 10:17 when the alarm was raised few minutes before.
Wasn't strange to have a call from a creche manager at 22:17 informing 'the girl had gone missing?' why 'the' girl and not 'a' girl? And why a creche manager if she was not under the care of any nanny?
Why mrs Silvia Baptista, also a manager in the OC, who received GNR and went to mccann's flat didn't mention the search or the leaflets on her statement? Silvia was not believing the abduction due to the conditions of the crime scene. For me, seems that Ema told too much to Leicester police.
Sep 11, 2011 9:58:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sep 11, 2011 7:30:00 PM
"Other witnesses DO mention a Missing child protocol being activated.
Please can you name one witness or give a quote from the PJ files what this prescribed protocol was?
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The whole point of having a Missing Child protocol is that it is always ready - come on, this is not rocket science! Just as in any Major Incident plan there are set procedures to be completed - this is just good practice. Have none of you ever worked in an environment where you have set protocols to follow in the case of accident or incident??
In response to the second post, you really should do your own research, but I will provide you with some names and some links
Please do your own research next time, or at the very least ask politely.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm
''- After this situation, they began the "search procedure for a missing child" which consists of an organised search involving different areas of the complex in question;
- The witness states that she participated in the searches, together with her colleague, Amy, searching various areas of the Ocean Club establishment''
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm
''Whilst this was happening, her colleague tried to find out and confirmed that a child by the name of Madeleine McCann had disappeared and that they were about to begin the "missing child procedure".
After this, the "missing child procedure" was initiated, which consists of an organised search, spread over different areas of the complex. The witness immediately helped in the searches, whilst her colleague Charlotte remained at the crêche, looking after the other children that were there and waiting for the arrival of the last parents, after which she also began searching.''
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEANNE-DANIELLE-WAGSTAFF.htm
''She adds that there is a procedure in case a child goes missing, that they complied with this procedure, which indicated the areas that should be searched in order to find the child.
When asked, she says that she does not know at what moment the police (GNR) were called, but she remembers that when she returned from searching the GNR had arrived.''
There are others too. If you had read the files, you would know this
at Sep 11, 2011 10:52:00 PM
ReplyDeleteThank you and apologies if you thought I was being rude.
I have read all those statements but there is NO mention of cards, neither being handed out or returned.
The card issue is not supported by any other statement. The only reason I'm taking an interest in the cards is because it's seems to be an invention of one person and if so the statement false. How many more can be shown to be false?
Why would nannies be the ones taking the lead in searches, surely that would have been a management role as ABDUCTION was what they were told?
This is something else that sounds made up to fit the scenario.
That really is, if you'll excuse me saying so, a completely ridiculous argument.
ReplyDeleteThe other people clearly indicated there was a specific plan, and that the search was organised in such a way that specific areas were allocated.
Frankly, I have no time for ridiculous posts such as yours which constantly seem to be seeking an alternative explanation for the mundane. Perhaps no-one else was specifically asked about cards, or volunteered the information. To claim that it is the false invention of one person just makes you sound extremely paranoid, and is a very serious and unjustified accusation to make.
You seem determined to read something else into this, like all good conspiracy theorists. As you clearly haven't read the files, I suggest you start there, rather than coming out with half-baked ideas
I can assure you I have read the files extensively and only ONE person mentions cards. I agree it's a ridiculous argument because in the whole of MW/OC and many statements only one person comes up with something unsupported. There are too many random items like this which don't stand up to scrutiny which suggests something is not right.....yet again.
ReplyDeleteSomebody didn't get the hymn sheet the other were singing from.
If you had read the files extensively, why did you need someone else to point out to you which other witnesses mentioned the protocol?
ReplyDeleteI think you need to take a deep breath and accept that simply because someone uses a term that others don't, it doesn't mean they were lying. If others had been specifically asked about cards and answered that they were not issued, then it would be a different matter. But they weren't. Stop making ridiculous accusations. You are the one introducing clutter to this argument.
A BH feel uncomfortable again? An extensive search without being under police supervision is strange.
ReplyDelete" both the curtains And the wall where it was located at, had been washed"- PJ files
ReplyDeleteThe time the leaflets show up and the MW search looks so odd, as the curtains of the room where blood was signalized, washed. Who wash curtains/ walls from a hotel room where had spend just one week?
Ridiculous is not question all this and assume it, as a normal procedure. Also nobody with access to the flat reported the wash of the curtains, but the forensic team discovered it. Why was a so important information, not been reported?
For me is irrelevant the previous existence of the leaflets to search missing children. Is not irrelevant the time and the way that witness, reported, they start been used. Or was not at 22:17h or to be at that time....the creche manager was in the resort ready with leaflets almost at the same time the alarm was raised. Why she was there? Nannies, if they have work to be done, yes, they should be in the resort. The manager at 22:17h is strange. Ready with
leaflets which probability to be used are 1/ million, is very unlike. Show a lot of organization in a resort where nobody knows exactly, who is in charged to book what, and where notepads from a water park can be used to book the diner in a restaurant.Things are not matching. If they don't match, they need to be questioned. This is not an accusation, is a suspicion .
I agree, the lady talk too much to the police.
Too much nannies involved in statements/ activities for a child which parents claimed, was alone with her siblings in the flat. I think, the police also didn't buy the negligence.
ReplyDelete''Anonymous Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteA BH feel uncomfortable again? An extensive search without being under police supervision is strange.''
What total, paranoid nonsense.
''For me is irrelevant the previous existence of the leaflets to search missing children. Is not irrelevant the time and the way that witness, reported, they start been used. Or was not at 22:17h or to be at that time....the creche manager was in the resort ready with leaflets almost at the same time the alarm was raised. Why she was there? Nannies, if they have work to be done, yes, they should be in the resort. The manager at 22:17h is strange. Ready with
ReplyDeleteleaflets which probability to be used are 1/ million, is very unlike. Show a lot of organization in a resort where nobody knows exactly, who is in charged to book what, and where notepads from a water park can be used to book the diner in a restaurant.Things are not matching. If they don't match, they need to be questioned. This is not an accusation, is a suspicion .
I agree, the lady talk too much to the police.''
The whole point of having a protocol, such as a missing child response, is that it is there ready to go as soon as it is needed.
You really need to familiarise yourself with this before you start trying to shoot it down. It is exactly how Major Incident plans work in the NHS, for example. It sounds to me as if they had a well co-ordinated and well rehearsed plan in place.
Your paranoia is the equivalent of saying that the fact that someone carried fire insurance makes it suspicious if they subsequently happen to have a fire.
And which lady is supposed to have ''talked too much to the police''? And why do you say that?
''both the curtains And the wall where it was located at, had been washed''
ReplyDeleteCould you provide a link to where is says this in the files, please? Thank you
About the mini-bus seen in the (in)famous "F***-off, I'm not here to enjoy myself" video, I don't think it is the airport shuttle bus to the Ocean Club, by the look of its inside, the way the seats are placed, I think it is one of those airport buses that takes passengers from the airplane (runway) to the airport terminal.
ReplyDelete"Your paranoia is the equivalent of saying that the fact that someone carried fire insurance makes it suspicious if they subsequently happen to have a fire."
ReplyDeleteWhy are you so upset with the point of view of a reader? Non, is not equivalent. As obvious, when you analyze what is being delivered by the witnesses who where in a place where a crime happen, you have to look at everything as a "ALL", not looking just to the parts and analyze them separately.
What the poster, who bring that to be discussed here, wants to highlight (according to me) is not the existence or not of the leaflets. Is the time the witness reports they were used and is the extension of the search, while the police was not there. Have you noticed that the witness didn't mention the swimming pool, the gardens, the creche? If the child had wonder off by herself, the swimming pool will be the main concern. After that, the places the child use to be, such the creche, the gardens and eventually the flats of the Tapas 7. Looking at the statement of that lady( and I'm not saying this doesn't happen) looks like for her, those places were not important. She mention the beach, some apartments and not the obvious? Or John hill buy an abduction while the flat shows, under the circumstances described, was impossible. People don't need to be very intelligent to understand when a story is impossible( this is not an insult).
For the police, is important each statement a witness deliver to them. Based on that, they follow one way or another. Wonder I the abduction was dropped on the first days. Nobody gave a credible story and when we add all the stories, what starts showing up is the involvement of the resort in part of Madeleine saga, or the suspicion of that. Is that, what made you so upset?
How strange that when a poster mentioned MW flights were NOT from regional airports and never were that the discussion was hijacked by another poster who wants to move away from that fact by devoting a lot of time to search procedure. That is a distraction meant to turn out attention away from the fact that T9 did not all travel with MW.
ReplyDeleteThe McCanns, Paynes and Webster did not take the package deal and as Kate said in her book they wanted to book the cheapest time there is something to be considered here.
Let's not be led by BHs wanting to turn out attention onto something relatively unimportant when there is something much more suspicious to focus on.
Of course the searches and the way they came about and were conducted are a good indication of something unusual. For example, why would a distraught toddler head for the beach in the dark? A child would be staying fairly close to where she thought her parents would be, crying and calling out for them.
Searchers would be expected to check the immediate area thoroughly before going afar.
As Kate never did any searching I think it's fair to assume the reason....there was no point.
Dear anon 12:48,
ReplyDeleteYou are wrong if you think, who posted the comment about the searches is a BH with intention to divert the attention out of the trip.
The post about the searches come in the sequence of what was been discussed on the previous days, about the Tapas list.
From Ema statement we can imply a lot of workers, including some with high responsibility, were in the OC when the alarm was raised. If she is saying the truth, why they were there? I don't think the creche manager is in the resort after 10 evening in a daily base, in a low season. Why she was there? Have she been called? If so, at which time and grounds since the alarm was raised at 10. In Portugal, unless you have a contract including duty at night which increases your salary, all time a worker spend in a restaurant, hotel etc, after 10 pm is considered " extraordinary" and is payed at high rate. How many workers were in the resort doing extraordinary time in a low season, according to that lady? A lot, if we think she reports only 6 guests and staff divided in groups to search the locations according to MW manager priorities. You have staff giving leaflets, staff searching in different places, including the beach. All that staff was in the resort or around or was called to do such duty? If was called, how who call them manage to do it and have them there if the alarm was raised at 10 pm? They were called before the alarm?
Mrs. Silvia didn't report any search outside and she claims she called the police. GNR while arriving, was introduced to the mccann's by Silvia, who also take them to the flat. If mr. John hill was who called the police, why he didn't receive the GNR? because he was busy organizing the search? We have 2 versions coming from people with responsibility in the resort. One lies or both lie? If there was people available to do the search, also there was people available to create Tapas list and creche lists to answer police requests. Is a fact... Kate went to PDL as a Healy and come back has a McCann. Who do the metamorphoses was not the journalists. Was somebody with access to the creche lists. Madeleine was signed out with a signature resembling something we can read as KMcann. That signature is completely different then the one Kate had on her passport. Another story to divert? Non!! Another odd fact to be analyzed in deep.
http://bloggertouch.appspot.com/joanamorais/post/4235274644941014665
ReplyDeleteVoila the link for the curtains and the wall been washed.
''Why are you so upset with the point of view of a reader? ''
ReplyDeleteWhy to you assume that I am upset? My comment is perfectly valid and it is interesting that you deny what is an evident truth.
As far as I can make out, you seem to regard it as suspicious that the resort commenced such an extensive search. You also appear to be making assumptions that certain areas were not searched on the basis that she didn't specifically mention them.
I read nothing untoward into her statement whatsoever and can only surmise that those who do, do so because they are not behaving rationally.
''Anonymous Anonymous said...
ReplyDeletehttp://bloggertouch.appspot.com/joanamorais/post/4235274644941014665
Voila the link for the curtains and the wall been washed.''
No - I asked you to provide a link to where it said in the files that the curtain and wall had been washed - not to where it had been claimed on a blog, please.
I will save you the trouble. It doesn't exist.
''Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteDear anon 12:48,
You are wrong if you think, who posted the comment about the searches is a BH with intention to divert the attention out of the trip.
The post about the searches come in the sequence of what was been discussed on the previous days, about the Tapas list.
From Ema statement we can imply a lot of workers, including some with high responsibility, were in the OC when the alarm was raised. If she is saying the truth, why they were there? I don't think the creche manager is in the resort after 10 evening in a daily base, in a low season. Why she was there? Have she been called? If so, at which time and grounds since the alarm was raised at 10. In Portugal, unless you have a contract including duty at night which increases your salary, all time a worker spend in a restaurant, hotel etc, after 10 pm is considered " extraordinary" and is payed at high rate. How many workers were in the resort doing extraordinary time in a low season, according to that lady? A lot, if we think she reports only 6 guests and staff divided in groups to search the locations according to MW manager priorities. You have staff giving leaflets, staff searching in different places, including the beach. All that staff was in the resort or around or was called to do such duty? If was called, how who call them manage to do it and have them there if the alarm was raised at 10 pm? They were called before the alarm?
Mrs. Silvia didn't report any search outside and she claims she called the police. GNR while arriving, was introduced to the mccann's by Silvia, who also take them to the flat. If mr. John hill was who called the police, why he didn't receive the GNR? because he was busy organizing the search? We have 2 versions coming from people with responsibility in the resort. One lies or both lie? If there was people available to do the search, also there was people available to create Tapas list and creche lists to answer police requests. Is a fact... Kate went to PDL as a Healy and come back has a McCann. Who do the metamorphoses was not the journalists. Was somebody with access to the creche lists. Madeleine was signed out with a signature resembling something we can read as KMcann. That signature is completely different then the one Kate had on her passport. Another story to divert? Non!! Another odd fact to be analyzed in deep.''
No earthly reason to suppose there wouldn't have been ample staff available to call in to help with a search - many staff in such resorts live in staff accommodation attached to the facility. Why wouldn't the creche manager have been available? Of any other manager, for that matter? I can see you have no experience of the hospitality industry whatsoever.
You are getting hopelessly bogged down in minute detail - I can only speculate why you are doing this
Sep 12, 2011 3:53:00 PM
ReplyDelete"No earthly reason to suppose there wouldn't have been ample staff available to call in to help with a search - many staff in such resorts live in staff accommodation attached to the facility. Why wouldn't the creche manager have been available? Of any other manager, for that matter? I can see you have no experience of the hospitality industry whatsoever".
On the contrary I DO have experience of exactly this sort of resort. Staff off duty do not hang around the complex when their duty is over, All junior staff live in less palatial digs off site and spend their leisure time getting away from work. Some managerial staff take part in the evening dinner at places like the MILL to drum up custom for their departments like WATERSPORTS.
As I said - hopelessly bogged down in detail, detracting from the real issues
ReplyDeleteI don't know the OC, but know some other hotels/resorts, where I use to holiday in algarve. I never saw any staff living in accommodations inside those hotels. In Algarve is not usual, but the OC could be different. I don't know how, since the resort, according to several witnesses and comments in the Tripadvisor is spread out in PDL with villas and flats belonging to private people. Is MW paying the rent to the owners of this properties to instal his staff or he is the owner of some of that properties? You may know anon 3:53, since you are so committed to defend the activities in the resort for May 3.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Sep 12, 2011 10:31:00 PM said...
ReplyDelete" As I said - hopelessly bogged down in detail, detracting from the real issues"
Please do tell what are the real issues? As said before the devil is in the detail,
''You may know anon 3:53, since you are so committed to defend the activities in the resort for May 3.''
ReplyDeleteOh really ! Keep your childish accusations to yourself, please. It makes you appear spiteful and ignorant.
Perhaps you would like to specify exactly what ''activities'' you think I am defending? It seems to me that in actual fact you just throw your toys out of the pram when someone disagrees with you. All a distraction to cover up the real issues.
It is shameful that you have to ask what are the real issues.
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to Madeleine McCann is the real issue - not your silly obsession with irrelevant details and your immature fixation with anything which doesn't accord with your own personal belief.
Look at that post earlier - claiming that the quote about a wall and curtain being washed comes from the PJ files when it doesn't - it's another forum myth. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when this is the kind of nonsense you allow to go unchallenged?
''On the contrary I DO have experience of exactly this sort of resort. Staff off duty do not hang around the complex when their duty is over, All junior staff live in less palatial digs off site and spend their leisure time getting away from work. Some managerial staff take part in the evening dinner at places like the MILL to drum up custom for their departments like WATERSPORTS.''
ReplyDeleteDo they indeed?
You seem to know a worrying amount about what they did and where they ate. Anything you want to share? How exactly was this vast experience gained, I wonder.....
10:31,
ReplyDeleteWhat are the real issues? We have none. We are discussing what seems odd and strange at our eyes. We can be wrong . You failed to give a plausible excuse for the mess the resort created on May 3.
''You failed to give a plausible excuse for the mess the resort created on May 3''
ReplyDeleteThis is the most nonsensical statement I have ever heard.
What mess exactly, and why should I have to present an ''excuse'' for it?
Anon Sep 12, 2011 9:56:00 AM
ReplyDelete''both the curtains And the wall where it was located at, had been washed''
Could you provide a link to where is says this in the files, please? Thank you
Isn’t there a photo, in the PJ Files, with traces of blood marked all over the wall near the window? These marks are NOT consistent with someone cutting himself shaving.
Isn’t there, in PJ Files, the record that the dog smelled traces of blood behind the couch, and below the window?
Well if there are traces of blood both in the wall and floor and the blood isn’t there, then someone must have washed it.
It is not WRITTEN in the PJ Files, but it’s there for all to see, unless you have another explanation for that blood to be where it was found and in such small amounts.
''Isn’t there a photo, in the PJ Files, with traces of blood marked all over the wall near the window?''
ReplyDeleteNo, there isn't. No blood was recovered
''Isn’t there, in PJ Files, the record that the dog smelled traces of blood behind the couch, and below the window?''
No - there is a record of the CSI dog reacting to a specific spot on the floor
''Well if there are traces of blood both in the wall and floor and the blood isn’t there, then someone must have washed it.''
There aren't.
Whoever made the original post claimed that this quote - ''both the curtains And the wall where it was located at, had been washed'' - came from the pj files
It doesn't, and it brings this blog into disrepute to make up things which do not appear in the files and claim that is where they are from.
Neither the Portuguese forensic service nor the FSS recovered any blood from the apartment. Nor did they give any indication that the wall or the curtain had been washed. You can shout this down all you like, but it does no good to make false claims which will be seized upon by the McCann camp. The original claim that the pj files indicated the wall and curtain had been washed was a false claim, and the person responsible should withdraw this claim.
At Sep 12, 2011 11:22:00 PM
ReplyDeleteYou are muddling my posts with those of other people in your previous post. I said nothing about curtains.
But "You seem to know a worrying amount about what they did and where they ate. Anything you want to share? How exactly was this vast experience gained, I wonder....."
You say I know a 'worrying amount'....worrying to whom? You?
Share with whom? You? You wonder....What do YOU wonder? D you care to share?.......No?
Anything anyone knows should be given to the PJ, not displayed here.
Statement of Lindsay Jayne to PJ on 6/5/07-process vol II, pg. 220-224
ReplyDelete( This interview is interesting for several reasons. Lindsay J is manager of the KIDS CLUB.) says PJ on the files
"...In the context of her duties which she carries out for the company mentioned, she has had contact on several occasions with a child called Madeleine McCann, observing from a distance....Questioned in more depth, the informant advises us that the group of children belonging to the "MiniClub" category is supervised by her colleague Amy T. who, in her turn, coordinates a group of leaders composed of Catriona B. and Emma W. Both were on duty in the week of April 29th to May 4th 2007.....The "MiniClub" is open from 9am. A break...for lunch between 12.30 and 2.30pm when the afternoon session starts until 5.30pm...... from 7.30pm, the Kids Club provides a complementary "dinner" service until 11.30pm. For an additional fee, parents can obtain a "babysitting" service without a fixed time, to be arranged between the parents and the baby-sitter.
...The informant tells us that on a date which she cannot be precise about but which was some time last week, Madeleine McCann participated in a boat trip, organised by the company's crêche. Several children participated in this outing to the sea, accompanied by the employees mentioned above and an expert in water activities, whose name she is not aware of.....To our question, the informant states that Madeleine McCann was accompanied by her parents.... (cont)
"and it brings this blog into disrepute"
ReplyDeleteIt's amusing that you are worried about the reputation of this blog. I thought that if this bog's reputation went down the drain it would please you.
"which will be seized upon by the McCann camp"
Why should they, if they have a such a dedicated hound like yourself trying his best to do their job for them?
You say "there is a record of the CSI dog reacting to a specific spot on the floor" but then say there aren't traces of blood. The dog reacted to what?
"You can shout (...) all you like"
Exactly. That's what you do, to no avail.
Cont:
ReplyDeleteCont....
She indicates that on May 3rd 2007, at around 10.20pm, she was informed by her colleague Amy T. that Madeleine McCann had disappeared. At that, she immediately launched the "missing child" procedure. This procedure consists of dividing the site into several areas, which are allocated to various of the company's employees to start searching for the missing child. To that effect, the informant explains that, around 10.25pm, the date indicated, the said procedure was begun, dividing the whole site into three distinct areas, namely the north zone, the central zone (including the area of the company) and all the roads surrounding the company and which go as far as the beach. Five of the company's employees were mobilised to coordinate the searches, helped by various people ( other employees, tourists and residents).......To our question, the informant stated that at the time she was informed of Madeleine McCann's disappearance, she was alone in her residence and that she immediately went out and initiated the procedure described above. "
Now, from GA book, pag 140-142:
"O depoimento de Kate H tambem esta replecto de incongruencias. Afirma que chegou ao apartmento, sentiu uma corrente de ar e a porta do quarto das criancas a bater...A janela estava totalmente aberta para a esquerda, a Persiana levantada e os cortinados esvoacavam....procurou Madeleine dentro do apartment e ao nao encontra-la saiu a cotter para o Tapas... Enquanto gritava" we let her down".... Deixa para tras dois filhos a dormir nos bercos, novamente sozinhos....a janela aberta...a persiana levantada....e com o raptor nas redondezas? Poderia tentar gritar da varanda...usar o telemovel... Ainda mais, ha registo de telefonemas nas operadras que, foram apagados....
Cont....
ReplyDeleteShe indicates that on May 3rd 2007, at around 10.20pm, she was informed by her colleague Amy T. that Madeleine McCann had disappeared. At that, she immediately launched the "missing child" procedure. This procedure consists of dividing the site into several areas, which are allocated to various of the company's employees to start searching for the missing child. To that effect, the informant explains that, around 10.25pm, the date indicated, the said procedure was begun, dividing the whole site into three cont
....voltemos a janela, nao restam duvidas quevalguem a viu aberta. A testemunha Amy T, uma das responsaveis pelas creches onde ficavam Durante o dia Madeleine...depois das 22h, desloca-se ao apartamento 5A e, relativamente a janela do quarto, vem dizer que a mesma se encontrava parcialment aberta, nao totalmente, com a persian a levantada....os gemeos ainda dormiam.." (pag.185)-...Na janela nao existiam sinais de arrombamento ou de luvas, tendo a mesma Sido limpa no dia anterior,... 2 de Maio....As unicas impressoes digitais
Sao de Kate Healy. O sentido e posicao dos dedos impressos na janela sao...a abri-la para a esquerda...( totalmente segundo Kate, parcialmente segundo Amy)
Trying to match Lindsay statement with Ema statement( my previous post) and what GA knows: few things match. What seems relevant is the strong effort of 5 people related with the OC. From those 5, 3 belong to the creche and one was the manager of the creche.
Ema says she receive a call from Lindsey at 22:17 saying "the girl" had gone missing.. Lindsey says at 10:20 Amy T informed her About the girl being missing ( note that Ema says Amy was with her). Lindsay was at her residence. WHO INFORM WHO, AT WHICH TIME? Lindsay who has no idea about which day was the boat trip and who drives the boat, no matter was an activity organized by the creche where she is the manager and has the participation of the nannies, gave the time she was informed about the disappearance with such detail 10:20 and 10:25 to start the procedures. No mention of the leaflets . She talks about sites (zones pre- known) but no leaflets. Forget the procedures, even if the way they were settled is an important detail for me. Lindsay gave a important information. The boat trip had many children and she said Madeleine was with her parents. No any parent took a picture of the trip? And Kate who had a digital camera and loves to photograph maddie, who love to be photographed, didn't take any picture from that trip?
Back to the statements. Ema, said she went to mccann's flat to grab information about Madeleine. Didn't mention if Amy, who was with her, went to the flat too. Amy said to PJ, the window was open corroborating Kate claims, but not exactly ( not totally open). That blindness for the details is incredible. Nothing is straight on that case.
In the middle of all that activities, when this two had time to do their search? And how they manage to be beside the mccann's so quickly? Lindsay was at home, then not on duty. The creche closes at 5:30 pm and reopen at 7:3o pm until 11:30 pm. If Amy was in the creche on duty for the night, who stayed with children when she went to mccann's flat ? Catriona? Well, I'm just speculating... Maybe no children that night in the creche.
The way so many people come around the mccann's in a so short time cannot be ignored by the police. Those people are important pieces to solve the case. What they said or omitted, the way they mistake information and time, could not be irrelevant. For any reason, those nannies where shift out of Portugal in a rush.
Seems that 8:15 was hit on the nails. Upset?? Non ... Irritated. I posted the sentence about the curtains and the wall. Yes, there is in the PJ files, a picture showing where the blood was signalized. Blood on the floor( tiles were removed) and blood on the wall and on the curtains. You have to read the all files to understand that. Was blood, since who trained the dogs, clear informed pj that the dogs were trained to detect human cadaver scent and remains( even very small spots) of human blood.
ReplyDeleteThe link I gave reports to articles from Felicia Cabrita in Sol newspaper and other information Joana morais put on her blog, from the investigation. Nothing was fabricated, and unfortunately for you, both blogs, joana and this one, belong to responsible people who don't post spin, contrary to the people you so hardly try to defend.
The truth is like a pineapple. Hard to pill but amazing if you enjoy it.
A poster on another forum has posted some excellent information on DNA. I hope he or she doesn't mind me sharing it.
ReplyDeletehttp://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/categroy/RE-DNA-and-FSS-1-1016066.html
What you describe as blood spots were not subsequently found to be so. Rather than quoting nonsense from blogs and tabloids, why don't you try to find a link to what you claim from the files.
ReplyDeleteYou can't, because it does not exist.
There was no blood recovered from the wall or the curtains.
If you believe I am wrong, provide the link that proves it.
Answer the question: what did the dog react to on that particular spot? You did say that the dog reacted, I just want to know to what.
ReplyDeleteI suggest you mind your manners and ask politely
ReplyDeleteThe original quote which was falsely attributed to the PJ files was nothing whatsoever to do with the dogs. The dogs are perfectly reliable. The dogs did not alert to either the wall or the curtain, which, the poster claimed, had been washed.
There is no such reference in the PJ files, nor were any of the spots on the wall or the curtain subsequently found to contain blood.
Now, you can wriggle all you like, but it's perfectly simple - nowhere in the PJ files is there any reference to what was claimed on this blog. When challenged to produce the evidence, a link was posted to another blog.
Now - either accept that an error was made or post the evidence from the PJ files which proves that either there was blood on the wall and curtain, or that either had been washed
Sep 13, 2011 4:04:00 PM Anon.
ReplyDeleteYou are confused about who posts what. I haven't commented on anything to do with the topic being discussed but I did post a link to some very interesting DNA information posted on another blog.
May I suggest you do not presume only one person is posting on this blog. Many people are reading and commenting at any given time.
Can I suggest you do not place too much reliance on that particular site? It contains some information which is completely 100% wrong, and is likely to mislead.
ReplyDeleteFor example, when posed the question
''Can anyone tell me, for the sake of argument, whether it would be possible for the sample to be made up purely of DNA from the parents - and yet still give you the 15 markers of Madeleine's DNA (since her DNA profile will have coe fro her parents)? ''
....the poster replies
''No, the 15 markers cannot have come from Kate and Gerry McCann''
And that, I'm afraid, is completely wrong. All Madeleine's markers ultimately derived from her parents, so of course the sample could consist purely of their DNA.
You're one to reprimand others about wiggling out of questions...
ReplyDeleteStill waiting for you to tell us to what the dog, according to you, and according to you in the PJ Files, reacted to. I know I can sit down and wait hopelessly if I want to get a straightforward answer from you, as simple as "the dog reacted to..."
Are you an idiot? I have addressed this point already
ReplyDeleteThe dog is trained to react to blood. The dog gave an alert in a very specific spot. However, you know as well as I do that the forensics were unable to recover blood from the spot. If you are claiming you can clarify what the dog alerted to, then you clearly haven't read the files, because the forensic team couldn't.
And this has nothing whatsoever to do with the false claim, posted on this site, that the PJ files confirm that the wall and curtain had been washed, or the other false claim that blood spots were identified on the wall.
I see that no-one has produced a single quote from the files....
"Are you an idiot?" rather odd coming from someone so much worried about manners and politeness...
ReplyDeleteIt's blood. On the floor, behind a couch. Rather an odd place to explain the existence of blood, isn't it? At least much more than the wall and curtains.
No "diaper-excuse" here. No I'm not saying that it's Maddie's, but I think it is, or are you going to tell me how and what I should think? I know you'd like to control that, and you're doing your best, but your best is not good enough. Not for me, not for the other readers. That leaves you so much frustrated that it shows.
7:33, why are you so irritated? There was blood on the curtains, the wall and the floor. To justify what was found mccann's gave another of their amazing typical excuses- maddie use to bleed from her nose . Pretend I believe and pretending there was no blood in the wall and the curtain. Just on the floor. Odd enough because tiles had to be removed to recover the blood. Why? Because somebody cleaned the surface but was not able to go trough the concrete and clean the blood behind the tiles. Wonder if a bleeding nose provide blood enough to spread and go under the tiles. Did you need the PJ files to explain you what is evident?
ReplyDeleteJogging my memory, I think was the only time BBC
picked maddie wagon and came out with story of the blood belonging to a man. A claim dismissed by the FSS lab.
What is your problem with where the blood was found? Are you part of the story? If not, why over-reacting?
You can think whatever you want. The forensics did not confirm the presence of blood anywhere in the apartment. And the issue wasn't the piece of floor where the dog gave a blood alert, but the inaccuracies claimed by the person who claimed the pj files said the wall and curtain had been washed.
ReplyDeleteVery notable that not one of you has actually been able to point to anything in the files to back up what you are saying.
Thank you for allowing me to think, that's very kind of you. The issue, or the importance of the issue is not for you to determine, however arrogant you may be. The issue is the fact that YOU recognize that the dog reacted to blood, after you people downsized the importance of the dogs. I imagine that you're also willing to accept that the other dog reacted to cadaverine in the exact same spot. That spot, on that floor, of that apartment, is the issue. The important issue. Independent of whatever you want to say about it. One of these days, after "the witness to a crime" and now to the blood behind the couch, you'll honor all of us by admitting that the DNA was Maddie's.
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ReplyDeleteSep 9, 2011 7:41:00 PM
Thank you for your kind words. Please feel free to either use our mail or a DO NOT PUBLISH message to contact us.
Despite all your protestations, none of you have produced a single link to anything in the files which backs up your claims
ReplyDeleteClearly the dogs reacted to the smell of both blood and cadaver. That is perfectly evident. I have never downplayed the reaction of the dogs.
What I am pulling this blog on is the claim that there was blood identified on the curtain or the wall or that there was any evidence of washing of either. All those are false claims born from forum myths
Simply saying ''there was blood on the wall and the curtain'' is not enough. You must show proof of this, and there isn't any. In fact, all the evidence to show that there wasn't any is clearly contained within the files.
You are making the same mistake that the PJ made when they interviewed the McCanns - making claims you can't substantiate. If someone makes false claims which they cannot substantiate in court, it weakens their entire case. This is exactly what you are doing.
I say it for the umpteenth time - if you believe there was blood on the wall or curtain, or that there is evidence either had been washed, then produce it. So far, no-one has. Getting uppity about it doesn't prove anything
Isn’t it fascinating how you’re clinging on desperately to the walls and curtains?
ReplyDeleteIt seems that they are questionable facts. I say this because of all your fussing and not being the reader who posted them, I don’t have the patience to go up and check the PJ Files just to amuse you on such irrelevant details.
But what I think is REALLY interesting is your obsession with them. You know why it fascinates me? Because if it’s the best you can find to contradict Textusa, then you’re underlining her credibility.
For you, it’s not important the blood on the wall or curtains, but the credibility of the blog that you seek to undermine so desperately. However, with such dedicated action you only succeed in proving the opposite
It’s like you’re criticizing Shakespeare’s ability to write just because a supportive critic made a mistake (if that’s the case) about where a comma should have been instead of a semi-colon.
Just imagine the noise you would be making if it had been Textusa who had said that. The fact that you try to make one reader’s statement as representative of the blog and its readers means that all the other Textusa readers are right. And Textusa, of course.
Textusa may not be mentioned by name in other sites but her information is trickling everywhere. Who doesn’t question the Tapas Dinners? Who doesn’t think that the stroller on the Smith Sighting was Gerry? Who doesn’t doubt Mrs Fenn? Who doesn’t question the credibilty of the guests and the Ocean Club? Who believes that there were watersports in the afternoon of the 3rd?
Textusa hás revolucionized what we all thought about the case, and we to thank her for that. Your constant presence here only proves she’s right.