Processos Volume XIII, Pages 3909-3915 3909-3915
To: Ricard Paiva
From: DC 1756 Mike MARSHALL
From: DC 1756 Mike MARSHALL
Ref: David Payne
Date: October 24, 2007
Leicester Police Constabulary
As requested, appended are the statements of Arul and Katherina Gaspar. I read with curiosity the written statements given by David Payne but was not able to extricate any other information besides what is already known.
He declares that he saw Madeleine, for the last time, at 17H00 on 3/5/07 in the McCann apartment.
Also present there were Kate and Gerry.
He did not indicate the motive for being there or what he was doing.
He also cannot indicate how long he stayed.
When asked with whom he was on the afternoon of May 3rd, he declares that this information was already offered to the police and cannot remember if anyone else was there.
He does not remember what he was wearing that afternoon.
He took part in the searches, having carried out most of them alone.
He was at times accompanied by Matthew Oldfield.
He did not partake in the searches carried out on the 4th of May, because, on this day, he spent to majority of time in the police headquarters.
For many questions, he does not give a complete response, affirming simply that he has already given this information to the Portuguese police in his declarations.
I examined once again the declarations of Fiona Payne. In her statements, she states that she went to the McCann apartment, around 19H00, on the 3rd of May, together with Kate.
She states afterwards that, 10 minutes later, the husband arrived; it is not clear which husband she refers to.
Her responses to the questions are vague. She continued to respond to questions with "they conform with my earlier statement" or some similar statement.
D.C. Mike Marshalls comments to Ricard Pavo..attached to the Gaspar statements..
I have to confess I missed this important piece of information. I was too eager in believeing the words of Katherine Gaspar.
A Leicestershire Police Officer and his doubts written for the attention of Ricard Pavo.
Ricard who Gerry Mccann has called a liar.
I once again decided to look through the Gaspar statements as though seeing them for the first time. Arul Gaspar, along with his wife wished to give a statement to Police. They had concerns and possible information that could help in the case of Madeleine Mccann.
Arul Gaspar in his statement talks of his friendship with the Mccanns. They would chat on the phone exchange e.mails and meet up four times a year to spend week-ends together.
Between 2001-2005 they were in contact and went to each others homes. In the year 2005, a holiday was planned.
This was to include three other couples including the Mccanns. Arul is clear ,he had not met the other couples before.
Madeleine was almost two years and the twins six months.
He goes on, the other couples were Fiona and David Payne and Stuart and Tara, Arul cannot remember their surname. One large Villa was rented in Majorca arranged by David Payne ,they would all spend their holidays together.
The Gaspars only managing one week.
Arul Gaspar says in his statement he remembers the gesture, but adds we did not comment on this and I thought no more about it.
Arul states he has not spoken with David or Fiona since 2005.
Katherine Gaspar has a better memory than her husband. However, she too speaks of the great friendship with the Mccanns. The weekends spent together. In between the year 2002-2003 Katherine mentions a week-end together spent with the Mccanns in Devon.
September 2005 the Gaspars went to Majorca with their wonderful friends the Mccanns and two other couples ,who she had yet to meet.
Katherine mentions David and Fiona Payne who she believes were married. (Same name ,good assumption) also mentioning Tara and Stuart again like her husband cannot remember their surname.
Katherine then reminds me why she was at the Police Station because I had quite forgotten all this talk of holidays and friendship , Madeleine had also slipped my mind.
Katherine was sitting in between David and Gerry, they were having a conversation. Katherine , what was Katherine doing?was she being ignored, sat there in the middle while Gerry and Dave talked around her? No need to go into details, we know what Katherine claimed she witnessed.
Katherine, for her to have seen these actions would have had to turn and watch David...likewise, to see the response of Gerry she would have to turn and face him.
Dr.K.Gaspar claims to have witnessed these same actions at a later date, this made her more anxious, so anxious ,she mentioned to her husband Arul to watch the children at bath time.
It seems David was one of the chaps who used to bathe the children. Why Katherine, with so much concern about David Payne still let him bathe her child is a mystery.
After this holiday, Katherine claims to have only seen the Mccanns at a childs birthday party. There were no more week-ends away and no more holidays.
Dr.Arul Gaspar has not mentioned in his statement the concerns of his wife about Payne and bathing their child. I would hardly think it something to have slipped ones mind.
Katherine in her statement also mentions she thought David may have been interested in looking at children on the Internet.
May 2007 another holiday was planned with a group of Doctors ,the Gaspars were not among this group.
Dr.Arul Gaspar said they had not seen the Paynes again because they were friends of the Mccanns and NO OTHER reason.
The Gaspars ,although having spent time with the Paynes under the same roof , David ,who had bathed their child were not considered friends .
The Gaspar statements, when you read them speak of a friendship a friendship that has died. Someone else had taken their place.
The Paynes. Arul said, David was great with the children he was fun, he saw nothing to make him suspicious.
Katherine when she walked into the police station that day....did she walk in as a truly concerned parent who had doubts about David Payne?..Or were her motives out of spite?..
When giving her statement ,the Detective would have noticed her demeanor.
Most of this statement has little to do with Madeleine but a lot to do with her dislike of David Payne.
I would imagine this was noticed by the police and a very good reason for not forwarding on to PJ...
A woman scorned and using the most wicked way to get back at the couple who had taken her place. Makes sense, however ,I have to cover all angles...could be the Gaspars do not even exist.
Fiona in her witness statement mentioned how she found Kates actions 'ODD' when placing her hands in front of the twins faces.
She also found it 'ODD' they did not wake.
Could be this whole story has been made up to threaten the Paynes and keep them in line...because they later suspected the Mccanns had sedated the twins.
I think they would have been against it had they known.
Anyway I have said my piece .I will leave it for you to decide. And as for the report attached, what does it have to do with the Gaspar statement?
Nothing absolutely nothing at all.