We don’t think UK readers, can understand the Portuguese judicial system because it’s so different from the British one. Adversarial system of UK v Inquisitorial of Portugal.
For example, saying that British “heard under caution” equates to the Portuguese arguido shows that inability to understand the system.
Please don’t confuse not understanding with spouting absurdities. The Frog saying that Portugal has a “law only allowing suspects in MBM crime to have to provide DNA samples”, is just... ridiculous.
Bringing over to the blog a tweet thread that we consider very important on the subject of the deal Kate says, in her book that she was offered via her lawyer:
https://twitter.com/xxSiLverdoexx/status/1121114676035760129
SheLLxx 💯 🦌 xxSilverdoexx @xxSiLverdoexx
Replying to @FragrantFrog @LoverandomIeigh
From @PauloVi91979896 too https://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2018/05/plea-bargain-police-proposal-that-only.html
My original point was NO plea deal was offered,
Shills on #mccann ALWAYS twist it back to others even for your sides own vile actions Frog.
The #mccanns lied.
Their family LIED.
What are you not understanding here? The truth?
7:12 pm - 24 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1121116217962565632
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh @PauloVi91979896
How come the lawyer had to say it was all a misunderstanding? To be misunderstood something ambiguous need to have been said in the first place.
7:18 pm - 24 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/PauloVi91979896/status/1121193969063428096
Paulo Vieira @PauloVi91979896
Replying to @FragrantFrog @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
Mr. Abreu is one of the top ranking (and most expensive) lawyers in Portugal. He was, at the time, head of Lisbon section of the Lawyers Association. Also, "plea bargain" just doesn't exist in our legal system. It would be "preposterous" a PJ inspector offering what doesn't exist
12:27 am - 25 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1121197292835487744
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @PauloVi91979896 @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
I do appreciate a plea bargain does not exist within the Pt. justice system but wasn't it more a case of trying to impose processo sumaríssimo, which an English person would believe was a plea bargain?
12:40 am - 25 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/PauloVi91979896/status/1121256160227667968
Paulo Vieira @PauloVi91979896
Replying to @FragrantFrog @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
I don't think . "Processo sumaríssimo" is a model of trial for very small crimes, like being drunk driving. Mr. Abreu he is perfectly fluent in Ebglish It's stange after his denail, Kate mentions that, in her book, it was Abreu who trasmited her the proposal. That's impossible!!!
4:34 am - 25 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1121368816003497984
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @PauloVi91979896 @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
Isn't concealing a cadaver a small crime in Portugal, attracting a 2 year sentence which wouldn't mean going to jail? Processo sumarissimo was attempted in order to avoid a court case due to lack of evidence in my opinion.
12:02 pm - 25 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/PauloVi91979896/status/1121545005238312961
Paulo Vieira @PauloVi91979896
Replying to @FragrantFrog @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
Yes, it' a 2 year sentence. You wrong about "Processo Sumaríssimo". That "Processo" is a legal procedure faster than usual, for petty crimes, like drunk driving - but it is a court trial, just like any other case. In McCann case, there was no attemp to do it, not legaly possible
11:42 pm - 25 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1121546269661519878
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @PauloVi91979896 @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
https://eg.uc.pt/bitstream/10316/34651/1/O%20Processo%20Sumarissimo.%20Analise%20de%20alguns%20aspetos%20pratico-processuais%20do%20instituto.pdf
11:47 pm - 25 Apr 2019
The link is to the following pdf document:
“Carlos Miguel Leal Mendes Cardoso
O PROCESSO SUMARÍSSIMO - Análise de alguns aspetos prático-processuais do instituto
Dissertação apresentada à Faculdade de Direito da Universidade de Coimbra no âmbito do 2.º ciclo de Estudos em Direito (conducente ao grau de mestre), na Área de Especialização em Ciências Jurídico-Forenses.
Orientador: Mestre Nuno Brandão
Coimbra, 2015”
Our translation:
“Carlos Miguel Leal Mendes Cardoso
THE MOST SUMMED (*) PROCESS - Analysis of some practical-procedural aspects of the institute
Dissertation presented to the Faculty of Law of the University of Coimbra within the framework of the 2º cycle of Law Studies (leading to the master's degree), in the Area of Specialisation in Legal-Forensic Sciences.
Orientator: Master Nuno Brandão
Coimbra, 2015”
(*) Because Sumaríssimo is the superlative of “Sumário” and there is a “Processo Sumário” and a “Processo Sumaríssimo” we have translated the term into “Most Summed”]
https://twitter.com/PauloVi91979896/status/1121548401915703296
Paulo Vieira @PauloVi91979896
Replying to @FragrantFrog @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
This link goes to a empty page..
11:55 pm - 25 Apr 2019
[I had no problem in opening up the link, Paulo Reis seems to have had some sort of glitch or his geographical settings do not allow him access to the page]
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1121549291686961153
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @PauloVi91979896 @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
Try this one
https://eg.uc.pt/bitstream/10316/34651/1/O%20Processo%20Sumarissimo.%20Analise%20de%20alguns%20aspetos%20pratico-processuais%20do%20instituto.pdf
11:59 pm - 25 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/PauloVi91979896/status/1121567928808300544
Paulo Vieira @PauloVi91979896
Replying to @FragrantFrog @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
Also empty page..
1:13 am - 26 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/PauloVi91979896/status/1121555448975495169
Paulo Vieira @PauloVi91979896
Replying to @FragrantFrog @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
Processo Sumaríssimo: “A special form of criminal procedure, for cases punishable by less than 5 years prison. Applied only if Public Prosecutor, Judge, Defendant (Arguido) and Plaintiff ALL AGREE” https://tinyurl.com/y476eb25 (link for Portugal's Attorney General Office Webpage)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5CQuDMW4AAMn1l.jpg
12:23 am - 26 Apr 2019
[The picture attached is a screengrab of this page, which we will deal with in our comments to this tweet thread:
https://www.pgdporto.pt/proc-web/faq.jsf?ctxId=85&subCtxId=107&faqId=1009&show=&offset=]
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1121557633905975296
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @PauloVi91979896 @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
It's a little more complex than the simple explanation at your link, which is why I posted a link to the more detailed application.
12:32 am - 26 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/PauloVi91979896/status/1121567795085488130
Paulo Vieira @PauloVi91979896
Replying to @FragrantFrog @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
But your link goes to a empty page. And the ifo I sent to you is a excerpt of the Law in POrtugal...
1:12 am - 26 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1121569228618895360
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @PauloVi91979896 @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
It's not an empty link. Here is a screenshot of the link from Google.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5CdQLyX4AEjPBg.jpg
1:18 am - 26 Apr 2019
[the picture attached is a screengrab is of the results returned by Google after researching “processo sumaríssimo Portugal”.
The first result shown is “[pdf]] the sumaríssimo process – General Study – University of Coimbra” and it’s a link to the pdf attached by the Frog in her tweets at 11:47 pm - 25 Apr 2019 and 11:59 pm - 25 Apr 2019.
There are 2 things that are relevant in this image.
Firstly, it’s that the Frog means clearly “sumaríssimo” and not “sumário”.
Secondly is that the Frog knows how to spell correctly the word “sumaríssimo” which shows that her knowledge of the Portuguese language seems to be above Isabelle McFadden’s who before we showed her how to do it, stated that in ‘modern’ Portuguese, acentos and cedilhas were no longer used. Frog shows otherwise.]
https://twitter.com/PauloVi91979896/status/1121582599854596096
Paulo Vieira @PauloVi91979896
Replying to @FragrantFrog @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
In our view, the consensus sought in the Sumaríssimo Process is no more than the availability of the procedural subjects concerned - MP, judge, defendant and, in particular crimes, the assistant – to show, through a manifestation of will, their agreement, in the in the process
2:11 am - 26 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/PauloVi91979896/status/1121582740065935362
Paulo Vieira @PauloVi91979896
Replying to @PauloVi91979896 @FragrantFrog and 2 others
Translation to english from the Portuguese documento which link you sent to me just now
2:12 am - 26 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1121584435684610049
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @PauloVi91979896 @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
So you don't think PJ, AG & Abreu sought to get Kate to accept a charge of cadaver concealment (in absence of evidence to support a more serious offence) so case could be closed - which is how I interpret SP in this instance?
2:19 am - 26 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/PauloVi91979896/status/1121637629055778822
Paulo Vieira @PauloVi91979896
Replying to @FragrantFrog @xxSiLverdoexx @LoverandomIeigh
It will the most serious breach of the Ethical code of Lawye's Association. Portuguese Penal Code defines it as a crime. A lawyer that does not defend the interets of is client will have a discipliary and a criminal process. Could be banned forever, and sentenced to jail...
5:50 am - 26 Apr 2019
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Before we get into what was said, let’s clarify the legal terms and using the same page linked up by Paulo Reis (our caps):
“Quais são as formas de processo?
O arguido pode ser submetido a julgamento, consoante as circunstâncias, em PROCESSO SUMÁRIO, ABREVIADO, SUMARÍSSIMO ou COMUM (singular ou colectivo).”
Translation:
“What are the forms of process?
The arguido may be submitted to trial, according to the circumstances, in a SUMMARY, ABBREVIATED, MOST SUMMED or COMMON PROCESS (singular or collective).”
https://www.pgdporto.pt/proc-web/faq.jsf?ctxId=85&subCtxId=107&faqId=1007&show=&offset=
“O que é o PROCESSO SUMÁRIO?
É outra forma especial de processo penal, simplificada, destinada a julgar pessoas que tenham sido detidas em flagrante delito e caso se trate de crimes a que, em regra, não seja aplicável pena superior a 5 anos de prisão e o julgamento possa ser iniciado e realizado num prazo relativamente curto após a detenção.”
Translation:
“What is a SUMMARY PROCESS?
It is another special form of penal process, simplified, aimed to judge people who have been arrested when caught in the act and in the case of crimes where, as a rule, a sentence of more than five years' imprisonment is not applicable and the trial can be started and done with within a relatively short period of time after the arrest. ”
https://www.pgdporto.pt/proc-web/faq.jsf?ctxId=85&subCtxId=107&faqId=1008&show=&offset=
“O que é o PROCESSO SUMARÍSSIMO?
É outra forma especial de processo penal, a aplicar em casos em que o crime seja punível com pena de prisão não superior a 5 anos ou só com pena de multa, se o Ministério Público entender que deve ser concretamente aplicada pena ou medida de segurança não privativas da liberdade (multa, admoestação, trabalho a favor da comunidade); torna-se necessário que haja concordância por parte de juiz, arguido e, se o crime for particular, também do assistente.”
Translation:
“What is the MOST SUMMED PROCESS?
It is another special form of penal process, to be applied in cases where the offense is punishable by a term of imprisonment not superior to five years or only with a fine, if the Public Ministry understands that a sentence or a security measure of deprivation of freedom (fine, admonition, work in favor of the community) is to be specifically applied; it becomes necessary for there to be agreement on the part of the judge, defendant and, if it’s a private crime [a crime can be public, semi-public or private], also of the assistant.”
https://www.pgdporto.pt/proc-web/faq.jsf?ctxId=85&subCtxId=107&faqId=1009&show=&offset=
“Em que consiste o PROCESSO ABREVIADO?
É uma das formas especiais de processo penal, que se caracteriza pela redução de prazos e pela supressão de certas fases processuais. Pode ser seguida se assim o Ministério Público o requerer, quando o crime seja punível com pena de multa ou com pena de prisão não superior a 5 anos e houver provas simples e evidentes de que resultem indícios suficientes de se ter verificado o crime e de quem foi o seu agente.”
Translation:
“What is the ABBREVIATED PROCESS?
It is one of the special forms of criminal procedure, characterized by the reduction of deadlines and the abolition of certain procedural stages. The Public Prosecutor may use it if it so requests, when the crime is punishable by a fine or imprisonment not exceeding five years and there is simple and there is simple and evident evidence from which result sufficient vestiges of the crime having occurred and who was its agent.”
https://www.pgdporto.pt/proc-web/faq.jsf?ctxId=85&subCtxId=107&faqId=1010&show=&offset=
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Please note that all said above comes from an official Public Ministry site and not from a master degree paper.
Both Paulo Reis and the Frog refer to the Most Summed Process one of the 4 possible a process can be if there’s reason and desire to skip some procedural steps: Summary, Abbreviated, Most Summed.
All these “shortened” processes have a common reason to be shortened: saving time, or in other words, provide justice faster.
The main reason why processes last a significant amount of time has to with something that the British readers fail to grasp in its entirety and importance to the whole edifice of justice in Portugal: the obsession the Portuguese justice system (PJS) has in guaranteeing the rights of its citizens.
A condemned individual, according to the principles of the system, cannot be able to allege at the end of the process that s/he was denied anything that s/he could have done or see doing to help in his or her defense.
The idea is that when the “trânsito em julgado” (end of process) happens, then only a truly guilty individual has been condemned, as it has made, almost obsessively, certain that the principle that it is better to let a guilty man walk free than to condemn an innocent one has been applied.
As sidenote, the backlash of this noble principle is that due to what may be perceived as an excess of guarantees, when one is not sentenced it doesn’t mean that before the eyes of society one has been cleared. It just may mean that one was not sentenced, of one having been one of the guilty allowed to walk free in order to assure innocents are not condemned. That is the way the system is designed and we must respect it.
Although the investigation phase of the process is evidently to clarify fact to prove guilt, people tend to forget that it is simultaneously also a right of the citizen to have investigated all possibilities that may prove innocence.
A due and thorough investigation is a protection of the rights of the arguidos.
But there are crimes where the facts are clear and evident that there is no need to commit significant resources for its investigation.
For example, in many a petty crime the criminal is caught in the act. No further investigation is needed, so why open one? All the facts are evident and clear, so the process can be immediately sent for trial.
The lack of complexity allows for the procedures of the process to be shortened. But always, absolutely always, obsessively at times always, by making sure that ALL the rights of the arguido are protected.
And the time is saved because the simplicity of the crime, meaning the presence and lack of complexity of evidence it requires to be brought to judge for trial, makes it not “require” all the procedures of the most time-consuming stage of a penal process: the instruction.
Note, and that is crucial to see how ridiculous the Frog’s arguments are, in no “shortened” process is there a deal.
The decision to propose or the determination of shortening of the process has absolutely no effect on the due accountability, or put it in simpler terms, on the sentence. It only accelarates the process through the system.
To explain this in very clear terms: ALL of the processes above (summary, most summed or abbreviated) are to end up the EXACT same sentence if they had undergone the procedures required for the common process.
So, if the Frog was right, the PJ would be offering – and it didn’t – Kate a bucketful of nothing.
An arguido, by accepting any of the types of processes above, is basically accepting that his/her defense is not based on fact-finding – as those are evident and clear – but by either accepting guilt and begging for leniency or by arguing the case providing reasons that could justify the clear and evident facts.
Looking at the Maddie case, it’s intelligence insulting to even to propose the idea.
The Maddie case as of May 5 (not May 4) became a process with worldwide importance.
To say that the PJ considered “saving time” with this process – even if its facts were clear and evident and they certainly were not – would be the equivalent of stating that FIFA would decide the world cup final result on the coin-toss determining the winner just to save time. Ridiculous wouldn’t begin describe that.
But even if the case did not have the high-profile it had, the facts would make it impossible for it to be a summary, most summed or abbreviated process because they were not clear or evident.
For example, the Frog is equally ridiculous by only focusing on cadaver concealment and its respective sentence.
As if a body is concealed like one brushes one’s teeth in the morning. A body does not just appear, is not “just there” to be concealed.
Even if Kate confessed to concealing the body – as Frog (and we must remind readers that it hasn’t been only her doing this) absurdly proposes to have happened – it would still be needed to be clarified totally how the body got to be able to be concealed in the first place.
How exactly did Maddie die, under what circumstances and who was involved would be needed to be clarified.
Kate couldn’t just take all the blame herself unless she did it all on her own and that is completely impossible.
To consider the possibility of anyone within the PJS having proposed her taking the fall on her own is ridiculous because it implies that the PJS would accept to exempt from due criminal responsibility all those who helped conceal the body, except Kate. Absurd. Out of touch with reality
To propose the idea of a confession as a way to solve a crime in Portugal is just another absurdity.
The system does not accept to sentence anyone based solely on a confession. History shows that many a confession was far being that.
The confession in the instruction stage of a process serves only to help in the clarification of facts. The police have to construct the case for prosecution independent of any confession.
At the trial stage, it serves only to get leniency from the judge as it’s an indication of remorse. But nothing stops someone confessing during the instruction of the process and then at the trial deny the confession.
In such instance, denying having confessed at the trial, renders it literally meaningless as it’s taken as it has never even existed. This possibility of the arguido denying confessing during the trial is the reasons why the case must be built by the police completely outside it, not needing it for prosecution.
If the arguido confesses to fact A, then it’s up to the authorities to prove that A is indeed a fact and not rely on the arguido’s word. Fact A must stand as fact in court even if then the defendant denies in court ever having confessed.
To consider the possibility that Pinto da Abreu offered Kate a deal that in no way would influence the sentence and that could become meaningless, from his own initiative or because he was just serving as a messenger boy, it’s deeply insulting to this prestigious and respected Portuguese lawyer.
No lawyer would allow a client to make a self-incriminating statement. There is little or no doubt in our minds that during their private lawyer-client conversations, and being the McCanns strangers to teh country, that the topic of confession and its possible implications.
Certainly the lawyer pointed out that a confession represents co-operation and that co-operation would be a mitigating factor for the judge to take into account when deciding the sentence, which would have been another topic discussed, the pointing out to her what the penalties were for various offences.
But this deal episode in the book is very indicative as it’s a confession from Kate that she was proposed by her lawyer to confess, not as deal but as a mitigating factor as we explained above.
But then Kate does, in our opinion, a Frog. Picks up what really happened (and we’re speculating) and distortes it to such an absurd point that it backfires massively.
The Frog is a loophole finder. Obsessed in finding them to benefit the McCanns. She’s done with the DNA and is now doing with legal aspects.
The Frog is not grasping at straws but inventing straws so that she can have any to grasp.
The Frog understands this lack of understanding by the British of the Portuguese judicial system, so it’s easy for her and other pro-Hoax – assumed pros or pretendy antis – to mislead.
This post only shows the Frog is not defending any of her true beliefs. If one really believes in something, then one does tend to give higher value to what is said to validate it and disregard what doesn’t. That’s wrong but it is human nature.
But when one starts to invent then one is no longer in the realm of beliefs but that of deceit. And one only tries to deceive when one knows what the truth is and does all to avoid it being revealed.
Post Scriptum:
Frog being flippant about swinging backfired badly.
Then, because the hunters are really coming dangerously close, the fox tries to hide the foxhole with a bright yellow blanket:
The Frog really likes to invent straws to grasp.
Note: The blog abhors and condemns any form of sport hunting.
https://mobile.twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1121884671896244224
ReplyDeleteI thought she was weary of drugging theory and said it was a nasty slap, in her opinion.
She blows with the wind.
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1122539056980733952
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @xxSiLverdoexx @TheSun
Yes, I've read Tex's interpretation without valid conclusion of the links & arguments I posted. (Note to self:- collect more straw from stables this evening).
So you're [Silverdoe, not us, so it’s up to her to reply to this if she so desires] now admitting McCanns didn't lie but were given "wrong info"? LOL.
5:32 pm - 28 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/Chinado59513358/status/1122513949604315138
ReplyDeleteChina doll @Chinado59513358
Replying to @FragrantFrog @CarlaSpade
If that was to be the case surely the resort would’ve been full of just men instead of heterosexual couples? Indeed what relevance would it have made Frog? It was a high class swinging event & a tragedy happened that was covered up.
3:52 pm - 28 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1122535692251357184
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @Chinado59513358 @CarlaSpade
So you're saying that there was no gay swinging at all in or near Luz, just heterosexual?
5:18 pm - 28 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/Chinado59513358/status/1122538311019528204
China doll @Chinado59513358
Replying to @FragrantFrog @CarlaSpade
That I don’t know.
5:29 pm - 28 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1122540467793670151
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @Chinado59513358 @CarlaSpade
So how do you know there was any sort of swinging going on in Luz if you don't know the type involved? There was one of those Erotica events in Lagos around the same time.......
5:37 pm - 28 Apr 2019
*****
The things the Frog knows were happening in Luz!
First, there was NO SWINGING! How dare we suggest there was swinging? But now, it seems there was not only there swinging as there were multiple kinds of swinging!!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What’s next? Praia da Luz was not only the Village of the Damned, as it was also Sodom and Gomorrah???
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The swinging theory bewilders me. I lived in Luz for 4 years and the overwhelming impression is of the costa geriatrica. Lagos might be plausible but ...
Deletehttps://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1122544970903298048
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @Chinado59513358 @CarlaSpade
But you & Carla can't answer 2 simple questions - where was this swinging event happening & why was a local googling swinging venues far & wide if there was a place right on his doorstep?
5:55 pm - 28 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/Chinado59513358/status/1122547850230079489
hina doll @Chinado59513358
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Replying to @FragrantFrog @CarlaSpade
How would you know about those? 😮
6:07 pm - 28 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1122549006134128640
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @Chinado59513358 @CarlaSpade
It's in the computer analysis in the files, China. Massive clue as to who it was doing the googling too (NOT Malinka).
6:11 pm - 28 Apr 2019
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So the search for swinging was not about golf swings, playground swings and… roundabouts???
Isn’t that it what your side has been defending for YEARS?? That the searching for swinging was meaningless? It seems, it was not!
And how does the Frog, who KNOWS A LOT about the insides of the case, know it wasn’t Malinka who was googling swinging?
“It's in the computer analysis in the files”, link please. Thank you.
With every tweet frog confirms just how close they are to it all.
DeleteIs there a story about to break about swinging events in PDL at that time,why else confirm it?
There are also searches for places in U.K. related to conferences in places like York, nothing to do with swinging as far as can be seen.
ReplyDeleteIs Frog suggesting the computer was Murat’s? It wouldn’t be a customer of Malinka, otherwise he would have informed the police when it was seized.
https://twitter.com/Baskingsharky/status/1122123082817318917
ReplyDeletePaternostormer@Baskingsharky
Fed up with the game playing on #mccann ? Guess what you don't need to get a secret society link from the queen and her puppets to see the latest documentary (which is 100% pro fyi). Here is the link to full doc on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDJA1v0rj6w
1:59 PM · Apr 27, 2019 · Twitter Web App
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Completely Pro McCann, narrated by Summers and Swan.
Mark Williams Thomas says he spoke to Mr Smith and although he sticks to story it couldn’t have been G because of timing.
How McFadden can pretend it’s anything other than pro Mc, we don’t know.
Sutton is also interviewed. Keeps his contributions neutral.
Pat Brown given only seconds and not given space to give her opinion.
GA interview but still talking about use of calpol.
Swinger theory mentioned but only as one of ridiculous things said about them.
Moita Flores says he believes M probably died.
One lie is that AR checked crèche records to find Totman but it was LP who had the record about Totman and hadn’t shared it from 6 years earlier.
Pat B review of doc:
Deletehttps://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2019/04/madeline-mccann-id-murder-mystery-is.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/editors-picks/madeleine-mccann-bungling-police-prime-2965027.amp
DeleteLP already had the information of Crèche Dad.
Redwood may have checked it against crèche records but the information had been held for some time.
Mark S' latest podcast:
ReplyDeletehttps://omny.fm/shows/maddie/goncalo-amaral
As always, our take:
DeleteDr Mark Perlin, no request from OG to take up his offer which was made in March 2018. DNA 17 method used by OG can’t interpret complex data.
Mark S phones Mr Amaral who speaks of perceived interference and police statements buried by authorities.
Mystery of high mileage on hire car. Over 11k miles done (we suggest look at chronogram in police files to show why mileage is wrong). DL gives “cryptic reply” - multiple people had access to car.
Mr Amaral says not true journalists were constantly following them and no journalists were there at night.
Panorama 2017 with Bilton speaking to Jon Corner about Huelva trip in August 2007 and alleged transporting a body. Corner denies it and says posters were in car boot and cameramen were in the car.
Grime e-mail responses say he was “worn out by ill- informed debate”.
Dog alerts were misunderstood. Were confirmed by recovery of DNA. Mark S says dogs correct but FSS failed to decipher. Some audio of Grime in the underground car park with both dogs.
Mr Amaral refers to woman lawyer who saw car boot open day and night. Considered credible witness and statement taken. He can’t recall if formal or informal but it should have been in PJ files (we agree with him, if this statement exists then why was it not considered relevant to be in the files?).
Nobody denied odours in car, said to be from trash bags. Michael Wright and Alexander Cameron, both drivers, acknowledged strange and disagreeable odours and Cameron said he removed and washed carpet.
Sutton, tipped to lead OG, says he got a call warning of high-level political instruction and possible instruction from government about what things you could and couldn’t look at. The operation was “holed from the beginning” (readers know our opinion on this). Sutton says PJ haven’t eliminated McCanns.
Graham Whetton, ex Scotland Yard says OG has a narrow remit and that it seems “external pressure” to keep OG going, without any explanation of what significant line of inquiry is.
Pat Brown says “case was dead in the water from the moment SY said the remit was abduction “not a shred of evidence of abduction has been found.
Gamble disagrees OG has been a failure. It is looking at the case “after the facts” and will have looked at all evidence. Mark S says Gamble grew tired of his questions but said only 2 scenarios; M left herself or was abducted.
Mr Amaral described OG as a “clean up, an image enhancement operation”
He says PJ denied financial and medical records after formal requests, needed to build up profiles. Found it strange and frustrating.
He wasn’t surprised Perlin’s offer wasn’t taken up “in line with what happened with the FSS back then”
To Mr Amaral, OG probably preparing end of case and probably will use a German paedophile in jail in Germany as the scapegoat. GA won’t name him. Another German paedophile who lived in Algarve has died (our notes: Martin Ney May be first man referred to and Raymond Hewlett the second- Hewlett is dead but was British, not German, although he had lived in Germany as we recall)
Next podcast with Mr Amaral.
He refers to the interrupted investigation, when they were looking for an apartment mentioned to them, so they didn’t follow the lead. He spoke of bodies frozen (our notes: a pink building, possible St James apartments has been mentioned in the past, as we recall, by him, so this may be what he’s referring to?).
If any errors, please point them out.
This may be the man who Mr Amaral refers as possible patsy:
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https://twitter.com/ericson_niklas/status/1123137584970989568
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https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DCCB_LETTER.htm
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“- With respect to possible sightings of the father at two buildings near/next to the Luz cemetery, various apartments were available in those buildings; it could not be ascertained which, if any, apartment may have been of interest.
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5. With regard to the possible sighting of arguido Gerry McCann next to a pink coloured block of apartments at a site opposite the Luz cemetery, we can inform you that this an establishment called 'St James Portuguesa Lda', lots 1 and 2 being situated in the positions mentioned, from the outside the spaces corresponding to Lot 1 can be seen of a total of apartment designated as follows: 101-104, 111-114, 121-124, 105-109, 115-119, 125-129.
- In Lot 2 there are some apartments with T3 typology.
- The buildings in question have 3 pavements, whose access to the different areas is visible from the outside, as they consist of an open perimeter and there are several commercial establishments at ground level.
- In view of the number of buildings and given the scarce information provided it does not seem to us to be viable, immediately, to take measures to prove or disprove the elements provided.”
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/9news_25_04_2017.htm
DeleteThis mentions the Mark S interview with McClish talking about Alexander Cameron’s statement about the car and why it needs looking at again
Also here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4441000/amp/Crime-expert-suing-channel-Madeline-McCann-programme.html
https://twitter.com/Jules1602xx/status/1122966585931649025
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I love lobbing BRT's.. and placemats.. 😆
9:51 pm - 29 Apr 2019
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When liars try to brush off the lies they have told and joke about lies others told regarding the death of a little girl.
Interesting how people banter with someone calling GA a torturer!
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Just recently I've been looking at YouTube footage of Kate and Gerry, the most recent I can find is a couple of years old. I have to say Kate looks like she's had enough, as if she's at the end of her tether and can't take any more.
ReplyDeleteWhatever it was they felt they had to do at the time is not sitting well with Kate, Swan of the odd couple, Summers and Swan, claimed she'd spoken to Kate and Kate was 'broken'.
Regardless of what they must have felt they had to do at the time, I can't help but feel sorry for Kate, she will have to live with their decision for the rest of her life and will never be able to fully heal as long as she continues to live under the conditions she's found herself in.
Swan doesn't understand why Kate is broken after all these years, but I believe she's telling the truth exactly as she sees it.
There are many comments on YouTube saying 'Kate's ready to crack', and from what I've observed, Kate has looked like she's been ready to crack many times, but she can't.
Far too many people will be implicated in the cover-up, not least her mom and dad, and she would never ever get them into potential trouble, not in a million years.
Ultimately, and no matter what people on the internet say happened to Madeleine, Kate and Gerry have lost a child under tragic circumstances, and perhaps it's time for those same people online to try starting from the beginning.
View things with fresh eyes, ask why so many previously clean as a whistle people would participate in such a convoluted but clever charade, and try to embrace at least a modicum of empathy.
Just look at Kate's face, she's crying out for help and understanding.
There's a book out on the market at the moment, I believe it was released a few years ago, its entitled Free to Love, its a Christian Romance and is written by Kate McCann.
The novelette centres around an inn keeper and a doctor. There's also accidents, sudden and tragic accidental death and twins mentioned.
Is the author our Kate McCann, I wonder?
And if it is, could it be her way of trying to tell us something? Frankly, if it is, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Such a sad situation, and one that will never go away as long as the media and others continue to invent wild and disingenuous stories about what happened to Madeleine Beth McCann.
Given all we know thus far, and considering the power behind the abduction production and the amount of interference from Leicester police, maybe this case was never meant to be solved.
Perhaps it's finally time to accept it, and let the McCanns raise their remaining children in peace.
It was a terrible tragedy, they panicked and covered it up, a plan was put into place and everyone involved would adhere to the abduction story for the rest of their lives.
Understanding in a way, and probably done for altruistic reasons and to avoid embarrassment, but what a horrible way to live their lives.
Surely some of them must feel some guilt and regret, that won't be Charlotte Pennington or Jim Gamble though, she's thoroughly hard-faced and an unconvincing actor, and Jim Gamble's in it for himself and always has been.
Just look at his involvement in the Brenda Leyland outing, "Gr8 work" Martin Brunt. Such a transparent, flawed, greedy and weak-minded jerk.
He's only cocky because daddy is protecting him and the fake storyline.
There are actually decent people involved in the abduction hoax though, but some are the exact antithesis.
Poor casting and all that, what can one say?
And Textusa, if you really want this case solved, I'm afraid you're going to have to do it yourself. Operation Grange and Portugal are never going to do it, of that I'm absolutely certain.
Good luck with your future endeavours, thanks for listening and have a lovely evening.
Patricia x
The plea bargain does not exist in the English legal system either. Sentencing takes place after trial and conviction
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