Fortunately, there has been no drama over the festive period so it’s been quite nice and relaxing for the team.
A season seasoned by the love of those who value us and by the vileness of those who do their best for us not to be valued. Both are highly appreciated because both are useful barometers to measure how well we are doing things.
This post was not meant to be. Or at least to be published this soon.
But like the previous one, when we saw ourselves “forced” to publish during our Christmas break the 3 very important photos post, which basically has silenced many corners of the Maddie case internet, we see ourselves again “motivated” to break again the break with yet another photo given to us all by the Frog. The 4th very important photo.
She did it via this tweet:
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1079158354549846016
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
@CarlaSpade
Psssstttt. Aerial pic taken 4/5/07. What can you see on the beach? #mccann
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvnwqtqX0AAL1ys.jpg
3:32 pm - 29 Dec 2018
This is the picture attached. It says that it’s “A Picture Dated 04 May 2007 Shows a General View of Praia Da Luz Near Lagos Portugal From where Three-year-old British Girl Madeleine Mccann Vanished From Her Family's Holiday Apartment the Previous Night 03 May Both of Madeleine's Parents Kate and Gerry Mccann Have Been Formally Named As Suspects in the Disappearance of Their Daughter who Vanished Shortly Before Her Fourth Birthday by 08 September 2007 Portugal Praia Da Luz 8 Sep 2007”
We said about it in our comment at 30 Dec 2018, 13:00:00, the following:
“Oh Frog!
You went and did it again!
Question is… What can you, Frog, see on the picture you attached?
Are you doing these things on purpose?”
Well, let’s first see how this picture confirms all we have been saying about Praia da Luz on May 4 2007.
It shows no one searching in the Rua do Poço.
It shows no one searching in Rua José da Conceição Conde
It shows no one searching in the Av dos Pescadores (pedestrian walkway), no one searching in the rocks and no one is searching for Maddie in the infamous sewer (yellow arrow).
It shows no one is searching for Maddie up on the cliffs nor down by the rocks down by the beach.
No one is searching for Maddie. No one is searching where we were told hundreds of people were searching.
What does it show us?
It shows what would be expected and normal for early May on the beach in Praia da Luz. Just about a little over 2 dozen people at the beach. Important to note, only 2 sunshade umbrellas.
We remind readers that just on the Ocean Club there were over 300 guests (Robin Crosland says there were 600 guests) in a town that has nothing to offer but the beach.
And, as we have said, the Ocean Club did not own the exclusiveness for tourism in Praia da Luz. We know there were other resorts and hotels. And only a little over 2 dozen people enjoying Praia da Luz’s major attraction, the beach on May 4 2007.
No one was searching, so where was everybody?
But that has already been shown in the other 3 very important pictures and this one only confirms all.
So, what does this picture bring new and important to the case? What is the reason we asked the Frog what was that the picture showed and shouldn’t have?
The answer is simple: water sports equipment.
Where are the various water sports equipment?
Where are the boats that Matt and Russ were supposed to have sailed in the previous afternoon? Where is the equipment to take the Mark Warner kids to the water that is said to have existed on the beach that morning?
Shouldn’t they be near the water and very visible if they had been used during the week and on the previous day? They should but aren’t.
Nor is any equipment seen in the water...
Fascinating, isn’t it?
I think Frog is drip feeding you - like dangling a carrot in front of a horse. More will be forthcoming!
ReplyDeleteHappy New Year, and let's hope 2019 is the year this massive charade is put to an end.
ReplyDeleteOne wonders where the ‘nannies’ congregated with their charges - all the children who were enjoying water games by the sea? And why those nannies were quickly moved from the resort after Maddie disappeared.
ReplyDeleteFascinating you can't see any boats? Could be they set sail given that's what they do. I mean there's plenty of sea further left I'd imagine.
ReplyDeleteYes, they could be at sea, but where do they sail from? Where is the cordoned off safety area for water sports? Would the toddlers be out at sea in their dinghy, or whatever it was supposed to be?
DeleteWhere were the wet suits hired from, presuming the water sports enthusiasts weren’t mad enough to take part in just swimwear?
Eh, perhaps there was a large regatta and all the boats are little more than red sails in the sunset? A child goes missing and everyone takes to the boats for some leisure time - as you do. Or everyone has just gone home. The Pied Piper has led them away....
DeleteI would think the boats would be in the marina.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 3 Jan 2019, 16:25:00,
DeleteTaking into account that the nearest marina is in Lagos, how do you think Matt and Russ went to Lagos, sailed with the described accident and returned in time to be photographed at Paraíso?
And in your reply, please do take into account what the Tapas have said were their activities on the afternoon of May 3.
Thank you.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Beach+Hut+Watersports/@37.08703,-8.724801,18z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x6ec1015d1fc4c832!8m2!3d37.0870512!4d-8.7251083?hl=en-US
DeleteAnonymous 3 Jan 2019, 17:08:00,
DeleteYou mean this?
https://beachhutwatersports.com/
https://www.tripadvisor.pt/Attraction_Review-g776012-d8073718-Reviews-Beach_Hut_Watersports-Luz_Faro_District_Algarve.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=praia+da+luz+watersports&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPsob4ktLfAhULyxoKHbmsBhcQ_AUIDigB&biw=1366&bih=654
In the Frog beach picture, can all of the above be seen?
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-t3MP1fc-J1M/XCz0Aw2KrRI/AAAAAAAARN4/eif2aOj6-OckwBlzkohKNJH6ux5hFlEQgCLcBGAs/s400/cliff.jpg
Was Chico Time Water Sports around back then? They set their vans out just out of shot at the end of the beach nearest Rocha Negra; https://www.instantstreetview.com/@37.087149,-8.725072,152.36h,-17.44p,0.29z
ReplyDeleteNothing in the water either way.
Even if Chico Time operated at the time, not one single mention of using them by any of the guests at the time. No mention of any sports instructors in PJ files, other than Mark Warner staff.
DeleteI think they started after 2007, if I recall correctly but stand to be corrected on this.
The legislation on water-sports in Portugal, at the time, stated the following:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.idesporto.pt/ficheiros/file/DL_124_2004.pdf
Artº 47º
1 - Sem prejuízo do disposto no n.º 1 do artigo 27.º, a navegação junto às praias obedece ao regime estabelecido para cada uma das seguintes zonas:
a) Zona de navegação livre é a zona distanciada da costa mais de 300 m, fora das áreas restritas e interditas, onde é permitido fundear, navegar ou praticar desportos náuticos, sem prejuízo do disposto no n.º 1 do artigo seguinte;
b) Zona de navegação restrita é a zona distanciada da costa até 300 m, fora das áreas interditas, onde só é permitida a navegação a velocidade extremamente reduzida e suficiente para o governo da ER e unicamente destinada para recolher ou largar passageiros, nas praias ou nos ancoradouros e onde não é permitido fundear e praticar desportos náuticos;
c) Zona de navegação interdita é a zona distanciada da costa até 300 m destinada exclusivamente à prática de banhos e de natação nos locais para o efeito concessionados.
2 - Nas zonas de navegação restrita, o governo das ER é obrigatoriamente exercido na posição de pé e o trajecto nos dois sentidos é efectuado apenas na direcção perpendicular à linha da costa
Artº48º:
2 - Junto das zonas de banhos, a manobra de abicagem das ER deve processar- se através dos corredores de acesso à praia, fixados pela autoridade marítima e convenientemente assinalados.
(ER – Embarcação de recreio)
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This means that there would be corridors visible to all on the beach from the sand into the sea, which any recreational embarkation would have to use to go in and out the water. These corridors are materialized by bright colour buoys connected to each other by rope. The buoys are fixed to the bottom appropriately so that they don’t move significantly out of position with waves or currents.
These corridors are not, evidently, mounted daily. Once the water-sport activity season begins, the maritime authorities approve them and they are kept throughout that season.
If Matt and Russ did go out sailing as they say they did, the corridor(s) would have to be in place on May 4. None are in place.
We remind that the Maritime Police joined the searches, so no illegal situation would have been tolerated.
Neither is there any activity to indicate water-sports: equipment by the water and the marks on the sand of having dragged them there to be used on a daily basis.
Note, this is mandatory also for the alleged “kiddie’s” water-sports. These corridors are in place to protect swimmers so any recreational embarkation can hurt a less attentive swimmer. Is it realistic to think that kids the age of Maddie were taken so far into the sea as the law determines? We think not.
https://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1080580886314258433
ReplyDeleteJ B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @BourgeoisViews @jules1602x and 30 others
What if .. & I say if .. #Mccann were engaging in medical trials to make extra income? It happens. What if they were negligent in then monitoring effects on a child or M got hold of an adult only sedative, for example? They may well have NOT taken the necessary steps.
1:45 pm - 2 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1080606174230310914
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @JBLittlemore @BourgeoisViews and 30 others
Why would any group of medical professionals be involved in clinical trials during a week in Portugal?
3:26 pm - 2 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1080607532463341570
J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @FragrantFrog @BourgeoisViews and 30 others
I don't recall rattling your lily pad. Why do you need to know?
3:31 pm - 2 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1080609500816642050
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @JBLittlemore @BourgeoisViews and 30 others
It has come to my attention that a Dutch doctor involved in supplying medical equipment arrived in Luz on 2nd May. I don't think whatever was being trialled was drug-related.
3:39 pm - 2 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1080610478383087618
J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @FragrantFrog @BourgeoisViews and 30 others
Is that an admission? That something was being tested in PdL that week? And of Dutch origin? Really?
3:43 pm - 2 Jan 2019
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Really, indeed!
A group of doctors using one of their kids (did Maddie pick the short straw?) as a guinea pig for medical trials and choosing Praia da Luz (it must have a maze of underground tunnels that end up in a gigantic secret lab) for that!
And we were thinking JBLittlemore was one of the more intelligent ones…
The irony is now watching JBLittlemore debating with his partner-in-crime pretending to not to be, BourgeoisViews, to gain credibility when just a year ago he was here debating the fictional Nick Townsend so that some of his then credibility would rub off on Mr Thompson.
Now it’s JBLittlemore fighting for credibility using BourgeoisViews and the rest of the Lick-Spittle Gang. Like watching old re-runs and just as boring…
I’m truly flabbergasted that JBL has revived the old chestnut of secret drug trials!
DeleteWere the other non- medical guests also invited to subject their children to these trials?
If anyone reluctantly agreed to take part in the abduction hoax, to help a couple they felt sorry for, or because their activities in PDL would be subject to scrutiny, how do they feel about the accusation they were such reprehensible parents?
Words fail me.
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1080728389407789057
ReplyDeleteMadeleine CaseTweets 🌐 @McCannCaseTweet
Madeleine CaseTweets 🌐Retweeted
#mccann Yikes!! https://twitter.com/ndmorrs/status/1073326154755596288 …
Madeleine CaseTweets 🌐added,
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11:31 pm - 2 Jan 2019
[The tweet retweeted by Isabelle McFadden has been deleted but fortunately Killa Dog / Walkercan1000/ NT captured it in this tweet:
https://twitter.com/McCannFacts/status/1080750425320685568
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dv-YxB_X0AAc1ZF?format=jpg&name=360x360
It says:
“Nick@NDMORRS
Saw Kate McCann in Leicester today and it took all I had not to trip her up down the escalator 😵”]
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https://twitter.com/FireRabbit25/status/1080811518902427650
NSA @FireRabbit25
Replying to @McCannCaseTweet
I have read your posts among many others too on the #McCann tag and while I'm drawn to the compulsion of digging deeper and analysing into the psyche and behaviour of Kate and Gerry and all events that followed, I despise this rhetoric that you repetitively share.
5:02 am - 3 Jan 2019
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https://twitter.com/justice4maddie/status/1080779208190775296
Seeking justice @justice4maddie
Replying to @McCannCaseTweet
Hes a better man than me !! How dare she show her face ? #mccann
2:53 am - 3 Jan 2019
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https://twitter.com/PhilipTann1961/status/1080730080748470272
Phil (Book 'em, Danno!!) Tann @PhilipTann1961
Replying to @McCannCaseTweet
Perhaps you should've sung # Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones,
Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones, Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones,
Now shake dem skeleton bones!
11:38 pm - 2 Jan 2019
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https://twitter.com/FireRabbit25/status/1080807145384210432
NSA @FireRabbit25
Replying to @McCannCaseTweet
Im not a fan of the #Mccanns but this thread that you advertise and the comments underneath are disgusting. Justice for Madeleine? This just proves it's only a ego trip for you.I guess it's easier to use bullying tactics instead of intelligence.
4:44 am - 3 Jan 2019
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We agree fully with FireRabbit25.
Is this really necessary?
Although it’s just rhetoric, it looks dreadful when those wanting justice refer to unlawful behaviour, even in jest.
One is reminded of the picture in this FB post:
https://www.facebook.com/287199061417575/posts/1327673317370139/
“It’s crazy how people are being hated for being real and loved for being fake”
You'd wonder where K and G bought ice creams and sunglasses if only a handful were ever on the beach...
ReplyDeleteAnd Jules has replied to this post with this tweet:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1081095045812494336
00The Jules... 🕵️♀️ 🐌🌸🐌🌸🐌🌸 @jules1602x
Replying to @TheBunnyReturns @barragirl49 and
Is that boats I see on the 4th May.. ? #McCann
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwDSNn6WkAAq59x.jpg
11:48 PM - 3 Jan 2019
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Firstly, because it’s much more important than Russ and Matt’s water antics, as we have said REPEATEDLY, do note that how when Jules has SOMETHING she quickly rushes and publishes it.
She has a profusio alvi publicatória syndrome for anything that may in her imagination contradict us… with one exception: the BRT. That secret she obtained after speaking with no less than 3 photographers that will PROVE without doubt and beyond question that the BRT did exist. THAT, she won’t publish. Why?
But to answer to what she has posted, no they are not boats, they are paddle-boats, also called pedal boats because they have pedals like bikes. In Portugal they are called gaivotas.
The fact they are on the beach does not mean they are in use for the public. No safety cordon in place so recreational embarkations brought in for the upcoming summer activities. Certainly, more recreational embarkations, including boats, were brought in later because if what is pictured is all that Luz’s Beach Hut Watersports would have to offer tourists for the entire Summer, then we doubt it would be a profitable business.
In terms of there not being a safety-corridor in place, we simply ask what if the Matt & Russ sailing trip had happened indeed, which evidently it didn’t, and Russ had drowned?
Can readers imagine what kind of civil and criminal responsibility that whoever hired them the alleged boat would incur? Sheer madness to risk losing their concession face years of legal battles and expenses just because of a couple of tourists. Note, in case there were boats there, and there weren’t any.
Jules’ screengrab comes from this video:
https://www.gettyimages.pt/detail/v%C3%ADdeo/exterior-shots-of-the-beach-and-ocean-at-praia-da-filme-de-not%C3%ADcias/649700450
We strongly recommend that readers watch it.
The sea looks too rough for paddle boats, even if the safety cordon was in place. And certainly not for toddlers on dinghies.
But what we can finally see is the hundreds, no, dare we say thousands of people scouring the landscape searching for Maddie! Hundreds or thousands of invisible people, that is.
It shows families on beach with children playing. A couple walking along, not searching, men fishing… all unaware of a missing girl. If it wasn’t for the media, would Praia da Luz have realised a girl had disappeared the night before?
Thank you Jules for a very useful video. Stupidity is indeed limitless.
Looks like just a normal day in a small sea resort out of season. The beach is very sparse, not very lively and quite chilly judging by people's clothing. Some children making sandcastles, one or two guys getting their feet wet. Visibly not a hot spot for surfing, windsurfing or kitesurfing. Not even body boarding. And clearly no one searching for a missing child...
ReplyDeleteThere may be other interesting details in the related gettyimages videos from May 4. For instance, we see Len Port walking in the swimming pool area towards Tapas:
https://www.gettyimages.pt/detail/v%C3%ADdeo/exterior-shots-of-the-ocean-club-apartments-after-filme-de-not%C3%ADcias/649701658
Does this scene just precede the "posh esplanade photo"? Could it be that whoever was filming Len Port at that moment kept on filming him inside Tapas (hence the photo would have been extracted from a footage)?
Another information is that RTP was there filming on May 4 (see following at 1:48):
https://www.gettyimages.pt/detail/v%C3%ADdeo/exterior-shots-of-police-searching-the-grounds-of-filme-de-not%C3%ADcias/649701232
Also interesting to see Balu and Carpenter (?) "searching" a wasteland with policemen (from google view, looks like the one at the intersection of Rua do Ramalhete and Urbanização Luzurbe):
https://www.gettyimages.pt/detail/v%C3%ADdeo/exterior-shots-of-police-and-members-of-the-public-filme-de-not%C3%ADcias/649708278
These ones could be interesting too:
https://www.gettyimages.pt/detail/v%C3%ADdeo/exterior-shots-of-tourists-outside-the-ocean-club-filme-de-not%C3%ADcias/649708440
https://www.gettyimages.pt/detail/v%C3%ADdeo/exterior-shots-of-police-searching-the-exterior-of-filme-de-not%C3%ADcias/649707852
NotFrog
NotFrog,
DeleteThank you!
The RTP presence is indeed boggling. The video clearly shows that it was there.
It may be that the second white vehicle parked behind the TV Van on R Agostinho da Silva may be another TV Van, making it the 4th “TV Vehicle”:
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/4May2007/aerial-view-of-the-ocean-club-missing-british-3-year-old-girl-madeleine-mccann-in-portugal-0ErCQF.jpg
But it’s not about there having been a fourth or not vehicle (a TV crew could have been dispatched to the scene, filmed whatever it deemed necessary, went back to the RTP studios in the Algarve and used the images from there) but the need to film the logos of the 2 Portuguese stations. Why?
Is it usual for TVs to film the competition on purpose?
If so, why was the Channel 4 crew not specifically filmed?
As far as we could see, there is a man in a white top and jeans at 01:01 with a camera, then at 01:04 another with beige top and beige trousers. This could be the RTP cameraman who appears at 01:51 as you say.
The SIC camera appears at 01:26, and the cameraman is wearing a white shirt with thin blue stripes.
Could have it been this?
01:01 – Channel 4
01:04 and 01:51 – RTP
01:26 – SIC
It’s a possibility.
There is on this video at 00:05 an unmanned camera on a tripod:
https://www.gettyimages.pt/detail/v%C3%ADdeo/exterior-shots-of-police-searching-the-exterior-of-filme-de-not%C3%ADcias/649707852
The other question that is pertinent about RTP is that as far as we remember, there was no imagery from that TV station on May 4 from Luz, live or otherwise.
From Luz on that day, we only remember seeing the images aired by SIC, live and recorded. If anyone can correct us on this, we would be grateful.
Agree that cameraman at 1:04 is likely RTP cameraman. Also agree that cameraman with white top and jeans could be from Channel 4. In the video with the tripod, he is seen with his camera in hands (0:00-0:04) seemingly filming the black GNR dog. The tripod seems to be his. He cannot be seen anymore after 0:05, but we can assume he is still around filming the GNR officers and dogs waiting in Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva, where also appears a photographer with a black top, and this is consistent with the sequence shown in the Channel 4 report between 2:35 and 2:41:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSZILWgblpU
NotFrog
What is becoming very clear is that the TVs struggled to know what to film.
DeleteIn a situation like this, they had 3 main subjects to film:
- the apartment from where the child disappeared. This was over-filmed. The back-stairs but mainly the window and the parking lot were more than captured;
- the esplanade where the parents were, which NO network filmed properly except to pan it from a distance and making certain the tables did not appear;
- the search which in reality never existed.
With one of 3 only “available” to shoot, the cameras focused on Rua Prof Agostinho da Silva and little else for the entire day.
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1081288274780532736
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @JBLittlemore @BourgeoisViews and 26 others
How do you condemn the same decision made by hundreds of parents who holidayed at Butlins many years ago, where children faced almost all the risks you have highlighted but few came to notable harm?
12:36 pm - 4 Jan 2019
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Children were left alone at Butlins as, allegedly, they were at Tapas?
Frog, can you provide a link please?
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1081337125486899200
DeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
For Textusa.
http://www.butlins-memories.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3002.html
3:50 pm - 4 Jan 2019
As you've analysed this long-running affair so much in depth, I'm just wondering if you believe it will eventually be solved?
ReplyDeleteMany years ago - we used to go out all day and leave our doors unlocked. Many, many years ago, children were pushed up chimneys to clean them or worked in dangerous mills for hours on end. Things ain't what they used to be!! In my opinion, you can't justifiably compare Butlins (even 30 years ago) with Portugal 11 years ago.
ReplyDeleteFrom “FB Anon”:
ReplyDelete“I notice from this video, 0.23 onwards, that the nannies are taking some of the children out - looks like a day out somewhere given that the nannies seem to have bags with maybe towels in? And is the last nanny Catriona Baker?
Just wondering why none of the nannies, Mark Warner staff or parents of the children seem too worried about letting them out the very next day with a child snatcher on the loose! https://www.gettyimages.pt/detail/v%C3%ADdeo/exterior-shots-of-the-ocean-club-apartments-after-filme-de-not%C3%ADcias/649701658.”
I counted 3 Nannies and 6 children? Was that it?
DeleteI think the nannies and children are getting in the swimming pool area coming from the OC reception.
DeleteNotFrog
https://twitter.com/HilaryDean15/status/1081563438558654465
ReplyDeleteMacMurphey @HilaryDean15
Replying to @CarlaSpade @JillWillybach
Well, speaking for myself, if it were a swinging event I don't see why it would matter, not one jot. That's why I'm not interested. And a swinging event wouldn't merit a cover up of such proportions, VIP's or not.
6:49 am - 5 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/JillWillybach/status/1081587190658789376
Jill Williams @JillWillybach
Replying to @HilaryDean15 @CarlaSpade
Very Important http://People.So Important the world could not know they were swingers. So they protected the MCCANNS.
8:24 am - 5 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/HilaryDean15/status/1081599152126152704
MacMurphey @HilaryDean15
Replying to @JillWillybach @CarlaSpade
If they were that high up they wouldn't be swinging in PDL
9:11 am - 5 Jan 2019
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We were wondering under which stone this character had been hiding… so now you’re Hilary MacMurphey. Good to know.
Blah, blah, blah, swinging doesn’t matter a jot…
Why wouldn’t they be swinging in Praia da Luz? Let us guess that like Isabelle McFadden you think it’s a slump beneath the class and status of British VIPs, right?
Prey tell, under what class and status would you place Philip Edmonds and Clement Freud? One chose to holiday there and the other went as far as to have there a house!
Good to see on Twitter more and more people having the courage to not be intimidated and stand up and defend the truth.
Mr Thompson has called to our attention in un unpublished comment that we misspelled “Pray tell” in the comment above. “By the way, it's "pray tell", you pompous plank!” the wise man has said.
DeleteReaders will fully understand that because of this horrific mistake, the team will now take a sick leave while we will try to gather between us enough money to hire a car and drive off a cliff in it.
Our deepest apologies, our deepest regrets, we bow our heads in shame and beg our readers to find it in their hearts a flicker of forgiveness for such a horrendous sin on our part.
Prey, why prey?... oh, the shame...
Hilary MacMurphey has replied:
Deletehttps://twitter.com/HilaryDean15/status/1081824462947930112
MacMurphey @HilaryDean15
Replying to @CarlaSpade @JillWillybach
At least spit it out. Who is this BRITISH VIP? How can you expect anyone to run with the theory when you don't give the full theory? And I'm sorry Textusa but your example of Clement Freud and Phillip Edmonds being high class shows your ignorance not mine.
12:07 am - 6 Jan 2019
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Then we will have to admit to ignorance!
And here we were thinking that having one’s country’s PM and other “Powerful and famous” lining up the pews meant that one was upper class in the UK but it seems we were wrong.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2009/apr/24/sir-clement-freud-funeral
https://twitter.com/HilaryDean15/status/1081841802414616576
DeleteMacMurphey @HilaryDean15
Replying to @JillWillybach @CarlaSpade
Surely if the news broke of an accidental death the swingers could still have remained anonymous and the whole thing would have blown over by now? Why on earth would a huge VIP want a protective scam to still be headlining 12 years later? Absolute nonsense. #conspiraloons
1:16 am - 6 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/JillWillybach/status/1081858835768238080
Jill Williams @JillWillybach
Replying to @HilaryDean15 @CarlaSpade
Youve answered your own question. Reread.....
2:23 am - 6 Jan 2019
*****
Brilliant reply!
Why the concern about remaining anonymous if no one gives a jot about swinging?
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1081676816081928193
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwLjT7yWwAEEgAS.jpg
2:20 pm - 5 Jan 2019
[Picture attached to the tweet says:
“Confirming this, John Hill (resort manager) said that there was:
“no sign of a break in whatsoever””]
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Yet, the same John Hill said this to SIC on May 4 2007:
“Nothing is missing in the apartment, one of the windows in the back here… in the children’s room was left ajar, with a blind… had been risen up when previously the window was closed and the blind was down.”
Mr Thompson, how do you explain this discrepancy from John Hill?
DO NOT PUBLISH Pseudo Nym at at 5 Jan 2019, 22:59:00
DeleteGrow up and go give orders to those who pretend they respect you.
You have Twitter and NT's blog to publish ALL your replies, fully and UNCENSORED.
I don't jump through hoops for anyone, especially cowards who think they can hide behind a keyboard. I'm flabbergasted as to why you think you're so important. We both know you have absolutely nothing going for you. You're obsessed with this blog, in fact so obsessed that the rest of your life is a complete and utter car crash.
ReplyDeleteSo whilst you sit on your cyber perch, looking down on names on the internet, who look back at you and laugh, know this...know that I know you're a loser, a failure, a nobody, a reject, a bum, a bitter little man with absolutely nothing going for him other than stalking, lying, and living out some mad power trip on one blog out of millions on the internet. A blog that's as important as a shit-house water ski.
Mr Thompson,
DeleteParaphrasing Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, “Don’t hate me cause you ain’t me, fella”.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6559149/Dont-hate-cause-aint-fellas-Ocasio-Cortez-mocks-GOP-groaning-Pelosi-vote.html
You should know by now, because you have tried and tried and tried, we won’t make it personal and will not respond to personal attacks or personal accusations.
You quoted John Hill. We quoted John Hill. The quotes contradict each other. This is factual. We have asked you why you think there’s this contradiction.
By the way, we think he’s being truthful in your quote and have explained extensively why we think he’s not being when we quoted him. We would only like to hear from you why you think he’s contradicted himself.
If he is like you, a man easily conned, and was fooled into believing that the window was raised up when it wasn’t, then he cannot say there was no signs of breaking in because he then wouldn’t know the facts to give a certainty about them, wouldn’t that be so?
As seen multiple times, most of our questions we have asked here have been replied on Twitter, where we cannot censor or control minimally what is said and we’re absolutely fine with that.
It’s your option not to reply. What is it your FB group says, repeatedly, about Kate McCann not answering the questions?
By the way, there’s a huge difference. She had a LEGAL reason not to, she was an arguido and used her rights as an arguido, and by Portuguese law no adverse inference can be drawn from her silence. The fact that neither Gerry McCann or Robert Murat used that right, was their choice.
You’re not an arguido, so what’s your excuse?
This blog is so unimportant, yet it consumes you and your little, but organised gang.
DeleteAn oxymoron if ever there was one!
Wow - listen to Bugsy the twitter bully projecting his own juvenile personality on to others (as usual). Take no notice of him Textusa, he's a little man with a massive ego and people are gradually waking up to him.
DeleteBugsy is the equivalent of the football hooligan. The police lock him up, he's released but starts all over again.
DeleteOf course you make it personal, you accuse people of being pros when they're not. You stalk people, you insult them, you lie about them...you're a creep.
ReplyDeleteI don't need an excuse not to answer you. As I keep telling you, you write a blog, you have no authority and even less importance.
The thing is, you want me to reply via Twitter or another blog to bring traffic to yours. Well, I won't do that. People are sick to death of seeing the name of your blog on Twitter. I will however give you my opinion on this quote, then you can fuck off, because if you keep pushing buttons it will only end one way.
Mr Thompson,
DeleteWe inform you that your threat above has been passed on to whom we thought we should pass it to.
Whose buttons and what ending does BT have in mind?
DeleteLike Brenda pushed the buttons of somebody who wanted her punished?
Listen to yourself Ben, YOU'RE the one who stalks people, insults them and lies about them. It's YOU who's the creep. How can you even dare to accuse others of doing what YOU do?
DeleteThompson told everyone Elaine Strachan was a pro and now he's trying to be her best mate. We've all seen the DMs Ben.
DeleteI haven't claimed my daughter was abducted and you're not a police force trying to find her.
ReplyDeleteHowever.
John Hill was repeating what he was told. He was correct to say there were no signs of a break-in - that's an established fact. It isn't a contradiction to say what he did in your quote.
Don't bother with follow up questions, if I wanted to talk to conspiraloons like you all day, I'd tweet Bennett.
Mr Thompson,
DeleteNo one has said that you claimed your daughter was abducted. We were only establishing the difference between your possible silence and Kate’s silence to the questions that you so much condemn her for.
No one has said that we are a police force trying to find her. You equally are not a police force trying to find her, so why then do you admin FB groups, write a blog and demand answers from people about the case?
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/991056708117172224
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1066734914597527552
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1056833812271915008
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/955007691373645824
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1021026450940616704
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1078738051046756358
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/953200593681747968
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1078730197954977792
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/989060898005356544
About John Hill, based on what do you say he’s repeating what he was told? Nowhere does he say “I was told that…”
If he’s repeating what he was told, as you say he is without any basis to say it, then he cannot say there was no break in because he simply doesn’t know. That means you have tweeted, according to yourself, a totally meaningless statement as if it was meaningful. You have intentionally deceived all those who read you. Note, it’s not us saying so, it’s you admitting to that because we will wait to know from where you pulled the idea that on May 4 2007, in front of apartment 5A, John Hill is parroting something he doesn’t know or has seen for himself.
And didn’t he see it for himself?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm
“With regard to the facts of the investigation. Statements show that he knew of these facts by means of a phone call from Lindsay, head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to the deponent's mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later the deponent presented himself at the resort, because Lindsay had told him that she had initiated the procedure for missing children used by the company and the child had not been found. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name.
Initially the deponent thought that the child had got lost or disorientated, but as the searches did not produce any results he became increasingly worried.
The deponent went to the main reception to see if the authorities had been alerted, and fifteen minutes later went to the apartment being used by the McCanns, where he saw that both members of the couple were in a panic and were shouting that the child had been taken.”
He goes to the apartment from where the girl was taken and doesn’t look at the window of the bedroom where the little girl was supposed to be snatched from? Is that realistic?
Then the next morning he parrots what he was told to parrot? What a poor opinion you have of John Hill, Mr Thompson.
To sum up, you will continue to be waiting for you to explain what is your true opinion about this contradiction from John Hill.
You seem to think that you are anointed with the privilege of determining when arguments stop and end and who is allowed to ask questions and when they are allowed to do so. Time you learned life does not work that way.
We will continue to ask you, and anyone else, the questions we see fit. You have no say about that as we don’t have a say about what you ask or write about us.
Our questions, like this about John Hill, will always related to the case. We challenge you to publish anything that we have publicly asked of you or said about you that was outside the case. Pretending to be or not to be an anti is within the case, so save yourself the effort of saying that we accusing you of being a pro falls outside it.
It’s your prerogative to answer them or not.
https://twitter.com/HilaryDean15/status/1081969565825974273
ReplyDeleteMacMurphey @HilaryDean15
Replying to @CarlaSpade
No, according to me, it's [swinging] no big deal, Im not talking for others. Clearly some think it's scandalous.
9:43 am - 6 Jan 2019
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So, it would be sufficient for a VIP to be one of those who “clearly some think it's scandalous” to do all in his/her POWER to engage a cover-up to protect his/her reputation.
If, instead of just one VIP, there were many then, according to the same logic, THEY would do all in their POWER to protect their reputation.
It all depends on the POWER he/she/they indeed have. If they had it to sufficiently muster a nation’s establishment and media then anyone can easily understand why the case has lasted the long it has lasted because of VIP swingers (the kind who thought other people would find it scandalous) protecting their reputations.
Hopefully, all clarified now.
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1081679570192031744
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
D Express 5/507 Praia da Luz resident Mark McCarrick said the girl might have simply walked out of her room. “The parents left the door ajar so they could keep going over and looking at her,” he said. “We are hoping that because the door was open, she just walked out.” #McCann
2:31 pm - 5 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1081680007578169356
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
*5/5/07
2:33 pm - 5 Jan 2019
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Seriously, Frog?
Starting to think that Anonymous 2 Jan 2019, 21:01:00 is right and you are indeed drip feeding us. Maybe we will have to revisit the Murat shirt drama again and see what we missed…
We will deal with Mark McCarrick soon as you will see.
In this case, IF it was done on purpose, this time you fed us with something we already knew. If by accident, then this time you had no hand in it.
Frog now saying maybe M walked out.
DeleteHaving seen the gate at the top of the stairs, it’s not easy to open, let alone close. Who could believe a child would set off in the dark, without her shoes or a jacket and open a child-proof gate, then bother to close it - all without any crying or being seen by anyone?
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1082065211966787584
DeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
For Textusa http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/1may7/04-05-07-Times-Transcript.htm
My point was others knew on 4th & 5th May parents had left door unlocked so why would #mccann tell PJ otherwise on 4th May? Abduction. No swinging.
4:03 pm - 6 Jan 2019
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And bringing article over to the blog:
Original Source: TIMES: FRIDAY 4 MAY 2007
From Times Online May 4, 2007 Sam Knight and agencies
British girl, 3, 'abducted' from resort in Algarve
Police are searching for a 3-year-old British girl who went missing on a family holiday in Portugal last night and may have been abducted.
Madeleine McCann disappeared from her family's hotel room at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, while her parents were eating tapas just 50 metres away.
According to friends and relatives, her mother, Kate McCann, came back to check on her three children and found Madeleine's 18-month-old brother and sister asleep in cots on either side of her empty bed. The window had been forced open and the door left ajar.
"They were all sound asleep, windows shut, shutters shut," said Trish Cameron, Madeleine's aunt. "Kate went back at 10pm to check, the front door was lying open, the window had been tampered with, the shutters had been jammied open, and Madeleine was missing."
"It looks as if somebody has come in the window, that's either been watching or they've targeted her."
The McCanns, from Rothley, Leicestershire, are on holiday with eight other couples and their young children. Madeleine, described by Ms Cameron, as an "absolutely gorgeous, wee girl", is almost four and due to start school in September.
"Everybody has been praying all night," Ms Cameron told BBC News 24. "Everybody's just... We can't believe this has happened."
John Hill, the manager at the British-run Mark Warner resort, said Madeleine's parents and twin siblings were distraught and that sniffer dogs had been brought in to comb the resort, while border police in Portugal and Spain had been alerted to her disappearance.
He denied reports that the windows to the apartment had been forced open, while another spokesman said a set of French windows had been left unlocked.
"It was a very emotional and very frantic night and everyone did a fantastic job of getting involved and trying to search the area," said Mr Hill, who added that residents of the Portuguese village joined hotel guests and staff to trawl along the beach and local roads, looking for signs of the girl.
"As you can imagine, Madeleine's parents are distraught and not doing very well at all."
Mr Hill said there was no physical evidence as yet that the girl had been abducted and that the staff at the Ocean Club, a holiday resort of villa-style rooms, boutiques and restaurants, were still hoping to find her nearby.
"It's still questionable as to whether it's an abduction," he said. "We are hoping that Madeleine is found as soon as possible and safe and well. Everybody here is just wishing that she is found as soon as possible."
The Foreign and Commonwealth Office said that the alarm had been raised immediately by the girl's parents and that the British Consul in Portimao, Bill Henderson, had gone to the resort to offer what support he could.
(Cont)
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DeleteA spokesman for Mark Warner, which has run the Ocean Club for two years, said that a drop-in creche was available to look after children while parents ate their dinner between 7 and 11.30pm at the resort but that Mrs McCann and her husband, Gerry, chose not to use it. Instead they ate very close to their room and went back to check on their children every half an hour.
The spokesman said that the holiday company was willing to fly out members of the McCann family to help with the search.
"Our priority is to find the girl and to make sure that the parents are OK and there are masses of people working on that," he said. "Our staff are looking after them at the moment in whatever way they can but we can only imagine how awful it is for them. We are all hoping that she is asleep under a bush somewhere and we will find her soon."
The spokesman said that apartment the family were staying in was surrounded by other villas, all of which have "quite sophisticated" locks on the doors. Guests are being asked if they saw anyone acting suspiciously in the area, he said, adding that Mark Warner, which has a reputation for running family-friendly holidays, has never had cases of missing or abducted children before.
"We are hoping it's not that, though," he said. "It's the last thing we want but we have to investigate all avenues."
Neighbours in Leicestershire, where Mr McCann works as a cardiologist and his wife is also believed to be a doctor, described the family as "delightful".
"We are absolutely devastated. They are a really nice family and good neighbours," said Penny Noble. "They are delightful. We see them take their bikes up and down and going for walks. Madeleine is a very happy-go-lucky little girl."
Tracey Horsfield, a nurse, said: "They seem a really lovely family, protective of their children. I see them going up and down the crescent. They are a protective family who idolise their kids. I am hoping and praying that she has not been abducted and that she has wandered off. They would not let her out of their sight."
Frog,
DeleteNo mention of Mark McCarrick in the article above but we do confirm that he did say what you say he said.
But, and going back to John Hill, we couldn't resist to highlight this:
"John Hill, the manager at the British-run Mark Warner resort, said Madeleine's parents and twin siblings were distraught and that sniffer dogs had been brought in to comb the resort, while border police in Portugal and Spain had been alerted to her disappearance.
He denied reports that the windows to the apartment had been forced open, while another spokesman said a set of French windows had been left unlocked."
https://www.gettyimages.pt/detail/v%C3%ADdeo/exterior-shots-of-the-ocean-club-apartments-after-filme-de-not%C3%ADcias/649701658
ReplyDeleteFrom 0:20 to 0:23, in the esplanade, is a person putting on or taking off a tablecloth?
Is it not just white reflections from the wall or OC apartments on the other side of the pool? The plastic windows are clearly blowing and moving in the wind. Similar white bits right at the start of the clip.
DeleteDoug D
Doug D,
DeleteMust say that the first reaction is to think it’s a reflection. But then one does realise that there are no objects nearby that would produce such a reflection. The buildings (Blocks 5 and 4) are too far away and even it they weren’t the reflection would be consistent with their size.
Then, by going frame by frame, one can easily see that one is seeing through the plastic and that what one is seeing, a person handling a tablecloth, is indeed distorted because of the movement caused by the wind on the transparent plastic.
If I have to decide between the two, I would say that a person is putting on a tablecloth because that white blob, which could be a tablecloth, seems to move up and down before remaining fairly still -- assuming that this is not an illusion caused by the deformations of the plastic.
DeleteNotFrog
https://twitter.com/Spinelocker/status/1081989292271038465
ReplyDeleteCaptain @Spinelocker
Replying to @CarlaSpade @HilaryDean15
Let's say, yes, it was a swinging event. During that time we have a child go missing. Is your suggestion that the #mccann were swingers and would bring attention to many of these swingers, possibly VIPs, whose careers would be in jeopardy if they were "outed"?
11:02 am - 6 Jan 2019
*****
Quite a good summary.
And it continues to be interesting:
Deletehttps://twitter.com/26elizabeth266/status/1081996778390593537
annabella @26elizabeth266
Replying to @Spinelocker @CarlaSpade @HilaryDean15
The reality is if #McCann were swingers who would care and no mother would cover up for anyone no matter who the VIPs were .
11:31 am - 6 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/Spinelocker/status/1081997920298287114
Captain @Spinelocker
Replying to @26elizabeth266 @CarlaSpade @HilaryDean15
I was just wondering if the contention was it was a kind of swingers 'convention' and if #mccann were involved any subsequent investigation might reveal a litany of VIPs connected in some way to the UK government to such an extent that the Gov stepped in to cover it up is all.
11:36 am - 6 Jan 2019
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Isn’t it interesting when people are so absolutely certain what others would or would not do under a specific set of circumstances and pressures that they can only guess?
https://twitter.com/HilaryDean15/status/1081563438558654465
ReplyDeleteMacMurphey @HilaryDean15
Replying to @CarlaSpade @JillWillybach
Well, speaking for myself, if it were a swinging event I don't see why it would matter, not one jot. That's why I'm not interested. And a swinging event wouldn't merit a cover up of such proportions, VIP's or not.
6:49 am - 5 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/JillWillybach/status/1081587190658789376
Jill Williams @JillWillybach
Replying to @HilaryDean15 @CarlaSpade
Very Important http://People.So Important the world could not know they were swingers. So they protected the MCCANNS.
8:24 am - 5 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/HilaryDean15/status/1081599262289551366
MacMurphey @HilaryDean15
Replying to @JillWillybach @CarlaSpade
Out of season with no marks
9:12 am - 5 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/Chinado59513358/status/1082444880595566593
China doll @Chinado59513358
FollowFollow @Chinado59513358
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Replying to @HilaryDean15 @JillWillybach @CarlaSpade
Of course duh! You don’t think they’d go when it was going to be full of normal holidaymakers do you! 🙄
5:12 pm - 7 Jan 2019
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The arguments against the swinging theory are becoming transparently thin. And absurdly ridiculous. Don’t these people think before they write?
Bonne année 2019, Team Textusa. Aussi à vos familles.
DeleteMerci pour votre travail.
From China ! LOL !
Thank you!
Deletehttps://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1082679090925223938
ReplyDelete00Bugsy @TheBunnyReturns
Replying to @TheBunnyReturns @jules1602x and 6 others
There was also reference on the internet to Tony Bennett being caught for a pratice known as "cottaging" ie performing acts of sexual indecency upon another man in a public toilet.
8:43 am - 8 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1082682311035052032
00The Jules... 🕵️♀️ 🐌 🌸 🐌 🌸 🐌 🌸 @jules1602x
Replying to @TheBunnyReturns @zampos and 5 others
I heard a rumour he had an affair with Textusa.. Not sure how true that is..? #McCann
8:55 am - 8 Jan 2019
(tweet liked by Silverdoe)
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That’s the class our critics have. None.
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1082701772836270086
Delete00Bugsy @TheBunnyReturns
Replying to @S100Maggie @jules1602x and 6 others
I've no idea if it's true as I say, I remember it being on several sites though. Havern's attempts at scare tactics and her dangerous lies are something I've got used to.
10:13 am - 8 Jan 2019
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“Anyone who repeats allegations can also be sued. This is important. Seeing something written somewhere else doesn't mean it is true. Repeating allegations without making sure they are true is a very good way to get yourself knee deep in litigation.”
http://www.urban75.org/info/libel.html
I agree, Textusa. The Lick Spittle gang has zero class but coarseness in abundance!
DeleteBen’s allegations - he’s not sure if it’s true, but his gang will snigger about it and repeat it anyway.
DeleteWhatever one’s views of TB, this is disgusting behaviour by the usual gang. Alan Turing probably had to endure this toxic attitude in an era when homosexuality was illegal. It may not be known to the sniggerers, but in the lifetime of many commentators on the M case, it was illegal in their lifetime, when cottaging was one of the few ways that men could meet each other.
Be glad that era is over and be dismayed that people like Ben see it as a weapon to use against people who have upset him.
I think the story is something concocted by TB’s opponents to discredit him. He can defend himself. He may have behaved badly towards others, but the profoundly homophobic attack the gang have decided to wage is unspeakably awful and speaks volumes about them.
Jules stands by what she said:
Deletehttps://twitter.com/jules999x/status/1082734421684510726
Jules ♡ @jules999x
Replying to @Anvil161Anvil16 @abuseofpower and 7 others
Wrong again, your tweet was to Jill about Ben's tweet..
Who was giggling.. ? Where did Ben run with it.. ? Liar ×3...
Oh sorry, did I say something about Tex that isn't true..? That's a bit of a shit isn't it...
#Hypocrite
#McCann
12:22 pm - 8 Jan 2019
(tweet liked by Silverdoe and TheBunnyReturns)
And Mr Thompson establishes this comparison:
Deletehttps://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1082736136332677122
00Bugsy @TheBunnyReturns
Replying to @jules999x @Anvil161Anvil16 and 7 others
Would this be the textusa that accuses us of responding to the codeword "Marks and Spencer", on a blog, because it's easier than sending texts, emails etc and covering for staff, guests and a mystery VIP at the Ocean Club whilst taking orders from a pro he wrongly claims is NT?
12:29 pm - 8 Jan 2019
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Mr Thompson,
You should have worded it as “whilst taking orders from NT who he wrongly claims to be a pro”. That’s what you should have written.
The way you worded admits that NT is a pro. Please pay more attention next time. Your master won’t like it (he must really by happy with you by now).
https://twitter.com/jules999x/status/1082742300973903880
DeleteJules ♡ @jules999x
For those on TEXtuSa blog.. Cottaging is illegal in the U.K... It is covered under the Sexual Offences Act 2003... #McCann
12:54 pm - 8 Jan 2019
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Really? You thought we didn’t know?
What has cottaging to do with the affair that you stated happened between myself and Mr Bennet?
Of course cottaging is still illegal!
DeleteThe point being made was that men had to resort to illegal activities in the past, in order to meet each other, because their sexual behaviour was deemed illegal.
Using the unproven allegation of cottaging against TB suggests a homophobic mindset.
They’re outing themselves as the truly unpleasant people they really are. Ben and Jules are made for each other.
Deletehttps://twitter.com/AndyFish19/status/1082746115236208640
DeleteAndy Fish @AndyFish19
Replying to @jules999x
Can't be arsed to read that crap, (Text shit) but it's a FACT that #BENNETT is a PEDO!
#Havern #Sharon #Freedom #Cottaging
SOD OFF!
#Mccann #Scum
1:09 pm - 8 Jan 2019
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This is beyond repulsive. If one disagrees with Mr Bennett then one should take him up on what one thinks he’s lying about, that’s what we do.
This is an absolutely disgusting accusation to make against Mr Bennett and should definitely be taken up with the authorities to its fullest consequences.
Having been contacted offline, we feel that we should make it very clear that in no way have we accused Mr Bennett of any sexual misconduct. It seems people may make that interpretation from Andy Fish’s “Tex shit”.
DeleteOne needs to see sequence of tweets to make sense of this. Andy Fish isn’t referring to any accusations by us. We think that with those 2 words he’s simply expressing his opinion of the blog in general, similar to what he has expressed in the past.
It is Andy Fish who accuses TB of being a paedo.
https://twitter.com/AndyFish19/status/1083457988445331456
DeleteAndy Fish @AndyFish19
Replying to @zampos @CarlaSpade
#Bent #Bennett my old mucker. Apologies for calling you a Pedo the other night. Not nice is it when you spout shite about folk with lies & speculation? I've had years of that from YOU so what's the difference? Not sure if you are or not but clearly a loon on #McCann stuff!
12:18 pm - 10 Jan 2019
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And this idiot thinks this makes him less disgusting. And is so intelligent that he apologises for calling Mr Bennett a paedo while maintaining at the same time the possibility of Mr Bennett being one.
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1082795177310334981
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @CarlaSpade
Do you not think you're being a teeny bit ridiculous saying that a massive group of unconnected people all lied to cover up a swinging event & much worse? You have a fertile imagination, I'll give you that.
4:24 pm - 8 Jan 2019
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“a massive group” – TRUE
“all lied to cover up a swinging event” – TRUE
“unconnected people” – FALSE
“& much worse” – FALSE
On another note Frog, you do have some very weird friends helping you out.
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1082794689454059520
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @CarlaSpade
She [Yvonne Martin] was seen by Len Port talking to Kate - or was he lying too?
4:22 pm - 8 Jan 2019
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Irrelevant of other details, let’s just go by what each has said:
She says she leaves home at 09H00, he says he arrives BEFORE 08H30 and sees her… are they both telling the truth?
She says that there is always a male presence in her encounter with Kate, once only David, the other time it was Gerry and David after all, he says that he only sees 2 women… are they both telling the truth?
He says he interacts with her DIRECTLY about using his contacts at the consulate to help, she says that he only addresses Kate and that she, Yvonne, advises Kate on what she should or should not answer… are they both telling the truth?
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1083109510275911697
DeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @CarlaSpade
Len Port wrote about the incidental brief meeting several months later. YM described a man's features & accent. Why disbelieve rather than presume flawed memories?
1:13 pm - 9 Jan 2019
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Basically, cherry-pick, says the Frog.
What it seems that happened is that Mr Len Port recollects details and Yvonne Martin doesn’t.
Mr Len Port doesn’t remember seeing 2 men next to the 2 women he remembers seeing. Is that realistic? We don’t think so…
Yvonne Martin, who calls the authorities exactly because of what she remembers, is the one between the two who presents a flawed memory: she doesn’t remember Len Port’s offers of help: to use his local radio and to use his contacts in the consulate.
Oh, and he remembers the negative impression he got of her.
You must do better Frog.
https://twitter.com/McCannFacts/status/1083015982594080770
ReplyDeleteKilla Dog 🌐 @McCannFacts
Replying to @zampos @CarlaSpade
Hark Spade getting all indignant and pious. Thinks nothing of maligning 600+ professionals as swingers with absolutely zero evidence. #mccann
7:01 am - 9 Jan 2019
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Maligning? Really? We thought no one gave a jot because it’s totally legal.
From "FB Anon":
Delete"Good of Walker to also confirm that there were 600+ plus professionals there, out of season. Didn't Bridget O'Donell say they went that week as they needed a cheap week away. Did ALL those professionals need a bargain bucket holiday ALL at the same time?"
FB Anon,
DeleteIt seems is the latest to join the “where’s-the-swinging-evidence” gang. Becoming more and more alike NT…
Anyway, what we cannot understand is why these people insist on being so disrespectful to Anne Guedes. She has made it VERY CLEAR that none is expected:
“AnneGuedes28 Jul 2018, 01:17:00
According to you, Textusa, MMC's fatal accident couldn't be brought to light because the following investigation would have revealed the presence in PdL of some eminent persons engaged in swinging activities, then interferring with their right to privacy.
You ask what evidence [of swinging] I would expect. I guess that by privacy rule no evidence should be available. Then I don't see actually how you can base your hypothesis on anything else than probability. It seems to me that the number of knowing people would help in that assessment.”
Why do they insist on disrespecting her?
Oh, we do hope that her question, up to now unanswered, about the “number of knowing people” is starting to be answered.
Since the publication of the posh esplanade picture the case has significantly changed. That picture and all other May 4 and May 5 images are helping a LOT to understand that number, aren’t they?
Killa Dog, Walker’s most recent account and who is doing handstands with his nose to call our attention to engaging us in a proof contest that he’s not NT, a desperate try to distract us from our current path, is making uncharacteristic mistakes.
DeleteFor example, NT would never have written this tweet:
https://twitter.com/McCannFacts/status/1082766849027252226
NT mocks others for their mistakes, doesn’t make them.
In case there’s any doubt, you, whoever you are, will continue to be ignored.
Exceptions will obviously be made whenever you stick your foot in your mouth, like when you said above that accusing others of being swingers is maligning people when others are desperate to try to say the opposite.
''For example, NT would never have written this tweet:''
DeleteStill, the penny doesn't drop. You're right, NT would never have written that tweet. Can you work out why?
Anonymous 11 Jan 2019, 14:25:00,
DeleteYes.
And?
DeleteAnonymous published at 11 Jan 2019, 14:25:00 and 11 Jan 2019, 17:30:00, unpublished at 11 Jan 2019, 23:20:00 and at 12 Jan 2019, 09:20:00 (and also unpublished as pseudo-identified idiot at 31 Dec 2018, 15:01:00, 31 Dec 2018, 19:24:00, 1 Jan 2019, 15:11:00 and 9 Jan 2019, 21:55:00)
DeleteThere’s a thin line between being intelligent and making a fool of oneself when trying to fool others or trying to make others look foolish.
You were nowhere near that line. In fact, the only guess we can make is that you wear with enormous pride that "I'M AN FOOL" you must have tattooed on your forehead.
Your despair is palpable.
And because you may not get the joke:
https://www.ecenglish.com/learnenglish/when-use-a
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/752653/madeleine-mccann-kate-and-gerry-mccann-book-sales-profit-maddie
ReplyDeleteA very strange hand above M's head!
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1083894473443237888
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @CarlaSpade
What arranged wild-goose chases? Some people were investigated as a result of information provided by locals with suspicions.
There was no swinging. I await your explanation as to how alleged death & disposal occurred.
5:12 pm - 11 Jan 2019
*****
So, locals DID go to the PJ and told them about the swinging and “some people were investigated” because of it.
The only investigations of swinging in the files are the forensics on the computers. No person is asked about swinging. However, besides the computers, the only other connection that can be made with something in the files is PJ’s visit to St Phunurius, where locals said there were “parties of a sexual nature”, or n Portuguese “festas de cariz sexual”.
So, the PJ did go to St Phunurius because of these “rumours” during the investigation directly related to Robert Murat.
So, the Frog is basically saying that the “local with suspicions” ratted on Murat about swinging. Interesting.
Mr Thompson,
ReplyDeleteComing from you, it's a very high praise indeed. A huge compliment which we really, really appreciate. One that tickles us pink and we know you know that already but we will write explicitly as a token of appreciation.
Hi Textusa, did you say you are Spanish but that you live in Portugal?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 13 Jan 2019, 10:05:00,
DeleteNo.
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1084208636904304641
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @CarlaSpade
Was it? I beg to differ but that's another story. "Parties of a sexual nature" is not necessarily swinging. IIRC the reference to swinging on a computer related mainly to UK locations.
2:00 pm - 12 Jan 2019
*****
“Parties of a sexual nature”, means, exactly, swinging.
Swinging related “mainly to UK locations”, like in from where the vast majority of the off-season Praia da Luz guests were from? A very odd coincidence, wouldn’t you say so?
What is it that Kate said about coincidences?
It’s not true that places only in UK came up with computer references
DeleteLots of other places, including Spain and Portugal appear.
Also yacht cruises.
Frog isn’t as familiar with the PJ files as she says she is, given her lack of awareness of all the other references.
DeleteOA 1 vol 5
Swinging houses in Algarve page 868
Public outdoor clothes free areas – 875
Like the nudist beach the McCanns did or didn’t visit, according to Clarence Mitchell?
Amongst many others.
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1084227671935066112
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @CarlaSpade
There is NO EVIDENCE it wasn't a family holiday. You have not provided any details of where such events took place & how they were advertised. Put up or........ #mccann
3:16 pm - 12 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1084229512274108416
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @CarlaSpade
Mark Warner adverts. Family holidays, no seedy extras.
3:23 pm - 12 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1084240715998265345
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @CarlaSpade
I can't provide photos which are the property of the McCanns/PJ. What part of that don't you understand?
I also can't help it if you are unable to read MW family holiday online brochures.
4:08 pm - 12 Jan 2019
*****
Frog,
Seriously? Did you expect for Mark Warner to advertise the swinging in brochures?
Something like this?
“Mark Warner – come swinging with VIPs!”
And in small letters:
“VIPs available 24 hours a day, pick one or more from our varied list, we guarantee that all our VIPs are indeed VIPs, our quality selection process is very rigorous. If not satisfied, one can always return the chosen VIP and either receive another with no costs associated.
We only ask for our VIPs to be returned in the same pristine condition as they were handed out – no welts or bruises, please – so they can be used by following guests or by you on your next visit. Thank you.”
As to where swinging took place, besides St Phunurius, we must say we agree with Isabelle McFadden:
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1075557857913823232
Madeleine CaseTweets🌐 @McCannCaseTweet
Replying to @sa_madc @AguiaV @TheBunnyReturns
Have you seen the properties in Luz? Huge secluded homes. So many possibilities
5:05 PM - 19 Dec 2018
And before you ask how they would go from Praia da Luz to the various possible locations, transportation, would be there, provided by the organisation without any need to be advertised, just have the guests informed on site.
In fact, we believe that it was the fact that there were various locations and because Kate was “requested” to be present in one of them specifically that night and strongly disagreed with that imposition, that the argument between herself and David that ended with Maddie’s accidental death, started. If there had been only one single location, where all guests gathered to swing then that argument had no reason to have happened and we wouldn’t be here where we are today, fighting against the powerful and those who do their bidding, for the truth about how a little girl lost her life and why so many decided to disrespect her memory and persecute the policeman who admirably did his job.
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1084222284456448000
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @CarlaSpade
PJ searched the computers for lots of words (didn't include "young" though afaik).
If it was such a big event, why were children taken along? Those type of things tend to be adult-only gatherings.
2:55 pm - 12 Jan 2019
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Frog,
True, the PJ did search for 24 different words. We have listed them ALL the in our post “Why swing?”
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2014/04/why-swing.html
Of the 24, 8 for example represent the exact same search: “: “eiddam”, “Mad”, “Madd”, “Maddie”, “Maddy”, “Madel(ale)ine”, “Madelaine”, and “Madeleine”.
We will quote ourselves from that post:
“4. Fourth surprise, a very pleasant one. Page 875, referenced by kimHager in the opening comment quoted from JH does show clearly that “swingers” and “swinging” are words that appear with noticeable frequency.
But why this frequency?
Because “swing” was one of the keywords that PJ looked specifically for on those 9 computers/hard drives.
They are 24 overall and listed here in alphabetical order: “eiddam”, “encomenda”, “kid”, “lolita”, “mad”, “Madd”, “Maddie”, “Maddy”, “Madel(ale)ine”, “Madelaine”, “Madeleine”, “Malinka”, “Murat”, “pack”, “package”, “pacote”, “pedo”, “Robert”, “Robert Murat”, “Serg(ily)”, “Sergei”, “Sergey”, “Sophie” and “swing”.
On reading them, one immediately understands why all of them are keywords related to the case. All with the exception of 2: “Sophie” and “swing”.
In fact we can separate the keywords into 3 major groups:
To do with Maddie: “eiddam”, “Mad”, “Madd”, “Maddie”, “Maddy”, “Madel(ale)ine”, “Madelaine”, and “Madeleine”.
To do with Murat: “Malinka”, “Murat”, “Robert”, “Robert Murat”, “Serg(ily)”, “Sergei” and “Sergey”.
To do with paedophilia: “encomenda”, “kid”, “lolita”, “pack”, “package”, “pacote” and “pedo”.
About paedophilia we also noted that all computers were checked for “sexual abuse on minors” having been cleared of that.
Two computers returned the word “lolita”: computer “705” related to computer software and computer “987” related to porn sites with “lolita” in their names having been visited.
Then you have the two, “Sophie” and “swing”, that don’t fit naturally in any category.
“Sophie” can be put, with logic, in the paedophilia keyword category, assuming the PJ was looking to see if the owner of the computer was involved in any way with child trafficking which could then mean Murat’s daughter could have also been targeted.
So, in truth and reasoning, only the keyword “swing” has a different logic to have appeared from all others. It stands distinctly apart. It's the odd one out. “
About “Those type of things tend to be adult-only gatherings”, then when the children were in the crèche being tended to by the nannies, whenever adults gathered it would be, by definition, “adult-only gatherings” and so be there all the necessary conditions for those types of things to happen.
https://twitter.com/McCannFacts/status/1084235425273835523
ReplyDeleteKilla Dog 🌐 @McCannFacts
Replying to @FragrantFrog @CarlaSpade
Mrs Spade and Textusa insist there were 600+ guests staying in the small Ocean Club in early May 07. You know, they may be right, I managed to secure this photo of the accommodation. XXX #mccann
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwv6XvBW0AIRXgV.jpg
3:47 pm - 12 Jan 2019
*****
This account has now publicly joined the fight against us.
Good.
When one needs someone with the moral standards of a Hitler to come to one’s rescue to help win a war, it only means the war is lost on all fronts no matter how many Panzer divisions one pretends one is manoeuvring. It’s all pretence and all know it to be, even those pretending it’s not a pretence.
It speaks much more about the individuals on the same team as this individual, as it does about him.
PS – Your old tenant should have told you that the standard response that your account should not mention us and whenever we are mentioned that account should just say “Sorry, I don’t read hate sites”.
We don’t wish to engage in any debate with the sick, as we see others do with this account and that BourgeoisViews one as we’re not insane (as Einstein said, insanity is to do the same thing, in this case to debate, over and over again expecting different results), so to do any fact checking when reacting to what either say or have said, is not addressing them but addressing the content of what they say or have said so all can read and come to their own conclusions.
DeleteThe readers, not the broken Walkercan or BourgeoisViews records. They can talk to the hand.
In this particular instance, we would like to remind readers that the 600 guest figure is not from us but from Robin Crosland.
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/business-as-usual-in-praia-da-luz/25271
Crosland refers to an EVENT rather than ‘these people’, ‘this family’ or ‘this group of friends’. Even just ‘what happened to this child’ would have been more appropriate. It definitely sounds like he is referring to a group of people there at an event separate from the general holidaymakers.
Delete“We still had another 600 guests to look after who had paid to stay with us and who had nothing to do with this event and wanted to enjoy their holiday”.
the event being the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann... what is odd about that?
DeleteAnonymous 17 Jan 2019, 16:59:00,
DeleteIt’s not whether he says event or events, as we agree he could be referring to the event being Maddie’s disappearance, but the choice of that particular word.
He could have said the disappearance of Maddie, the crime that occurred, the abduction of...
Of the other words he could have used, he chooses “event".
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1084579863883862016
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @CarlaSpade
The holiday photos were evidence. The online PJ files are far from complete well you know. If you or Tex want to talk about The Lifestyle, I suggest you take it somewhere private. I know full well what's on every page of those OA [Outros Apensos] records & it's not for twitter.
2:36 pm - 13 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1084603043126095872
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @CarlaSpade @Anvil161Anvil16
Whatever. I'll shut up. Not gonna discuss swinging any more as it didn't happen on that MW family holiday.
4:08 pm - 13 Jan 2019
*****
Frog,
Your tweets are twofold: holiday photos/completeness of files.
About the last, what is missing physically from the online PJ Files has been justified. What is not there and hasn’t been justified, is simply not part of the PJ Files. Stop feeding the myth that there are unpublished PJ Files, the online files are as complete as they are legally able to be.
The difference between what was presented to the public ministry to receive a dispatch has a legal reason. Anything else is not part of the PJ Files.
There are some holiday photos in the files – the playground, some beach photos, some balcony and apartment photos.
However, it has been raised the possibilities of these photos having been taken after Maddie disappeared and given to the PJ as having been taken before.
If they are all genuine, meaning all taken when said they were, it’s difficult to see if Maddie is there in many of them. We believe she isn’t because of the 2 pictures that are in the files and where she appears that have seen the light of day in their original format: the playhouse and Maddie in the play area.
The tennis photo and pool photo, that are not in the files, not questioning if they were tampered with or not, have also seen the light of day and that tells us that if any other photo of the McCann family where Maddie would have appeared would have been made public by now.
Note that the tennis photo and the pool photo are not included in Kate’s book, in spite of her claiming the tennis balls photo was a favourite of Gerry’s.
Please compare the documentation we have in terms of images of a family holiday between Donegal and Praia da Luz. Photos similar to those taken in Donegal would be expected to have been taken in Luz, but that is not the case. So, even though there are some holiday pictures in the files, there aren’t as expected, the number of photographs expected of a family spending a week long holiday together.
The photographs in the files have been over-saturated to guarantee the privacy of those appearing in them. You appear to have seen the original pictures (one has to wonder why…) so we would be grateful if you could answer the question about who is the fat-faced man in greyscale balcony photos. He is not one of T9 men and we would really like to know who he is.
We know that Mr Amaral reacted to having seen Raj Balu in the playground picture. The fact that fat-faced man didn’t cause a similar reaction can only tell us that whoever that man is, he didn’t raise any suspicions to the PJ.
Frog,
DeleteIn terms of “The Lifestyle” – which we noted you wrote in upper case, is that what it’s called in polite circles? – it appears that according to you it’s acceptable to debate and discuss paedophilic endlessly on Twitter, it’s not OK to debate “The Lifestyle”.
We see no reason for “The Lifestyle” not to be discussed.
We say to you what we say to all other critics, facts are facts and if we are right and “The Lifestyle” was indeed present then it has to be considered in all scenarios, including the one you defend, abduction.
According to your scenario, who is to say that the abductor was not an unhappy swinger, wanting revenge because he or she had been jilted because of the McCanns? Not saying that was the case but it certainly is something that cannot be ruled out. Yet, you don’t even consider that possibility.
It could have been a couple who was just passing by and decided that moment to trespass and kidnap instead of calling the authorities, it could have been a pimple-riddled man imagined by many but you rule out completely and absolutely the possibility of having been a vengeful swinger. Why?
By the way you say (our caps): “not gonna discuss swinging any more as IT didn't happen ON THAT MW family holiday” which can be read that there were other swinging holidays!
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1084895368352022532
DeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @CarlaSpade @Anvil161Anvil16
Some things are not for general public perusal, Carla - surely you understand that? There ARE photos of the Tapas children on holiday, doing holiday things, in the PJ files so I don't know wth you're on about.
11:29 am - 14 Jan 2019
*****
Ooooops….
Frog, are you admitting that you have seen the Black & White photos in the files in their original format? Uncensored, so to speak?
If so… why have you? And if you have, then you can indeed clarify the question about the fat-faced man. We would be so much be grateful to you.
If not so, if you have seen those pictures in the same way we all have, then surely you cannot say “There ARE photos of the Tapas children on holiday” because one cannot be sure about who is indeed appearing in them nor can you establish relationship of those who appear on the photos have with the Tapas because one cannot determine who they are, like for example, the fat-faced man.
https://twitter.com/xxSiLverdoexx/status/1024951998188343298
ReplyDeleteSheLLxx 💯 @xxSiLverdoexx
Replying to @ZaneZeleti @Andreamariapre2
Ah top #McCann PRopaganda File trigger words....?
1 - No comment 48 Q's
2 - Goncalo Amaral
3 - Dog alerts
4 - DNA Markers
5 - Dog alerts
6 - Non-Reconstruction
7 - Martin Grime
8 - Dog alerts
9 - Mrs Fenn
10 - Chaplin's
11 - Dog alerts
12 - No neglect no abduction.
How's that?
2:36 am - 2 Aug 2018
*****
Silverdoe,
Since you are paying so much attention to the blog, could you please elaborate on #10?
Thank you.
https://twitter.com/xxSiLverdoexx/status/1084951623015825409
DeleteSheLLxx 💯 @xxSiLverdoexx
I'm curious as to why a post of mine is now curious from August? But, if you look at that post, it's pro trigger words, I for one think Chaplins is a myth, as I said, just my opinion of course..... #mccann
3:13 pm - 14 Jan 2019
*****
A myth? So the lady who says the she only sticks with the files and Mr Amaral lists myths helping them spread?
And why is it a myth? For you it can’t possibly be a myth! Or can’t you see that by considering it a myth you are in fact considering as real the possibility the Tapas staff lied as real? You do know myths can be true? You do know the difference between a lie and a myth, don’t you?
Because, according to you and it’s outrageous to say otherwise, the Tapas staff say they were from Sunday to Thursday at Tapas and having been at the Millenium on Saturday, there is simply no room for one or more Chaplin’s nights.
T9 and Chaplin’s should be for you a lie, not a myth. By considering it a myth you are doubting the word of the Tapas staff. And yet you do consider it to be a possibility:
https://twitter.com/xxSiLverdoexx/status/990667906076864513
SheLLxx 💯 @xxSiLverdoexx
Replying to @CarmenRose610
See Chaplin's unfortunately a hard one to prove. It's hearsay, tho, it wouldn't surprise me. I'd have loved there to be CCTV - Mrs Fenn tho has no need to lie about that night and It wouldn't surprise me if they'd done the same on other nights too tbh
12:03 pm - 29 Apr 2018
https://twitter.com/xxSiLverdoexx/status/1046799124614516737
SheLLxx 💯 @xxSiLverdoexx
Replying to @DesireeLWiggin1 @Tealtraum and 4 others
I think Chaplin's is possible it's just sad we don't have firmer proof.
9:28 am - 1 Oct 2018
The night Mrs Fenn speaks of, the Tapas staff say they were at Tapas. Why are you doubting the Tapas staff? Careful, there’s a Silverdoe out there that doesn’t like that one bit.
Be consistent please.
Now will you answer the question about whether you believe the Hynds consumed what the files say they consumed on the night of May 4?
We’re still waiting for that answer.
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1084934069773840384
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @CarlaSpade @Anvil161Anvil16
The completed questionnaires of the 599 sent out to UK holidaymakers are not in the PJ files - don't they exist? Where are the statements from German, Dutch, Irish holidaymaker - don't they exist? What about staff at the nursery school at end of road?
2:03 pm - 14 Jan 2019
*****
Frog,
Because something exists does not mean they should be part of the PJ Files. Even something related to the case.
We have already explained that the criminal processes in Portugal are only to contain what is considered of interest to support the making of the dispatching decision.
It’s then a subjective decision what documents are to be included and what are not but the principle is while the intent is not to burden the decision maker with useless information, no document of interest is to be left out.
If left out, then it automatically is excluded from the process and cannot be used unless there’s a strong justification, and “we thought it was not important” is not a strong justification.
There are documents one has no question that they must be included as there are documents where there is no question that they have no place in the process.
You speak of the completed questionnaires and now we’ll we tell you to add to those all the door-to-door questionnaires (one of which we are certain to from Mrs Fenn) made on the immediate days after Maddie disappeared, that aren’t in the files as well.
If these and those you mention had the answer “I didn’t see anything that could help in any way the case”, then they were considered, correctly, not to be included in the files.
They are documents that the PJ has determined, considering what they knew at the time, to be of no interest whatsoever to the case, so they left them out. They are now useless documents as explained.
If any questionnaire “sent out to UK holidaymakers” had any relevant information, the only reason for them not to be part of the files is because the UK authorities did not return them to Portugal.
We now know that the Berry, Balu and Carpenter initial statements were deemed not to have any interest whatsoever by the British police, and that’s the reason why they are not part of the PJ Files.
Trying to use the lie of the unpublished PJ Files to justify the absence of family holiday photos, is ridiculous.
If the PJ acted on playground photo just because the way Raj Balu appeared in it, then any and all holiday photo from the group would be considered of interest to the case and be in the files.
The photos that are in the files are ALL the photos that the PJ were given.
And it is quite interesting to see people siding with someone who writes an insulting comment to the PJ as this one:
Deletehttps://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1084954272872177664
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @CarlaSpade @regretkay and 33 others
Exactly. So you're only seeing part of the picture - the part the PJ chose to reveal.
3:23 pm - 14 Jan 2019
The conversation, or what we can see of it, between Silverdoe and Ben Salmon (who has his tweets protected so we can’t see them) about the fat-faced man photos :
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/xxSiLverdoexx/status/1084924351009488897
SheLLxx💯 @xxSiLverdoexx
Replying to @Tealtraum
I know Ben, these ones seem pretty clear to me too? http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GREYSCALE_SNAPS.htm… Any idea who the round faced man is?
1:24 PM - 14 Jan 2019
*****
https://twitter.com/xxSiLverdoexx/status/1084925479969320960
SheLLxx💯 @xxSiLverdoexx
Replying to @Tealtraum
No lol just photo's from his holiday ones, on textusa they're saying something about a man with a round face? Sorry, you know me and wording things by now!
1:29 PM - 14 Jan 2019
*****
https://twitter.com/xxSiLverdoexx/status/1084926405949952002
SheLLxx💯 @xxSiLverdoexx
Replying to @Tealtraum
I honestly don't know if they mean Payne or not, frog may know?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dw5utTHX4AA_U6w.jpg
1:33 PM - 14 Jan 2019
*****
https://twitter.com/xxSiLverdoexx/status/1084927470485295104
SheLLxx💯 @xxSiLverdoexx
Replying to @Tealtraum @FragrantFrog
I only put Payne's pics up for clarity that there were photo's of them and their families there, I don't mind unblocking frog for this ones if she knows who the heck is the round faced man texts going on about only Payne out of them all had a round face iirc?
1:37 PM - 14 Jan 2019
*****
First thing that’s interesting about this conversation is to see how 2 so-called antis, Silverdoe and Ben Salmon (who has his tweets protected so we can’t see them), have come and rushed in defense of the T9 to prove, according to them, that there are indeed holiday family photos from the group.
When we asked the Frog if she was admitting that she had seen the Black & White photos in the files in their original format, uncensored, so to speak, we weren’t obviously referring to the greyscale ones, where the people in it are easily recognisable.
The greyscale ones have not been censored by the PJ so are clearly not the ones we were mentioning. By the way, are readers keeping up with how many times Ben Salmon keeps trying to mislead people by using information in the files? Because that’s his technique and has been for years.
The greyscale photos have not been censored because they portray people who the PJ felt there was no need to protect their privacy as in one way or the other, they are very directly related to the case.
The second interesting thing about this conversation is to how 2 so-called antis, Silverdoe and Ben Salmon (who has his tweets protected so we can’t see them), find it natural or at least don’t find it strange, for 4 families to travel to a foreign country and basically the only holiday photos they show to have are those taken inside an apartment and apparently on the same day. As if that’s the memories families like to keep from holidays abroad: remember what could be captured at home.
And if that was the case, then why are there no photos from inside the other 3 apartments? Were the apartments where McCanns, Oldfields and O’Briens stayed were not worthy of being photographed?
The third interesting thing that’s interesting about this conversation is to see how 2 so-called antis, Silverdoe and Ben Salmon (who has his tweets protected so we can’t see them), both acclaimed as brilliant researchers of the case, when the subject in question is HOLIDAY PHOTOS, having the following 2 pages on mccannpjfiles regarding this subject, guess which one they chose?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GREYSCALE_SNAPS.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm
One says GREYSCALE and the other HOLIDAY PHOTOS and they choose the greyscale one – even though we mentioned clearly Black & White photos – without mentioning the other. Telling isn’t it?
The question comes from this comment in our blog:
ReplyDelete“Anonymous15 Mar 2018, 16:31:00
Regarding you Best Answer post can the “a very high up city senior executive with connections to an influential MP” be the fat -faced man in greyscale photos, shown on a balcony and what may be from the beach restaurant, looking out across the beach?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm
Photos 01 19 35 138”
These images:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/H/1-6.jpg
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/H/19.jpg
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/H/35.jpg
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/H/138.jpg
If the Frog has seen these photos in their original format, she can tell us who this man is but this is what the Frog has to say about it:
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1084932475636322310
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @Tealtraum @xxSiLverdoexx
That's top secret & as all tweets are being monitored & recorded it's best I don't answer. :)
1:57 pm - 14 Jan 2019
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Quite telling isn’t it?
1 Textusa could you kindly show me where Amaral says in the PJ files or anywhere is it said the McCann's were in Chaplin's on the Tues, crying night? Or anywhere?
ReplyDelete2 Berry, Balu and Carpenter as well as Carpenter's wife's were held back as far as I know for reasons the PJ haven't stated....
3 Where on earth did I doubt the tapas staff by saying Chaplin's is a myth in my opinion and if you have proof of otherwise, please do provide it, as in, PJ statement, receipt etc?
You read WAY too much into things, but as I said it is interesting that you chose to go through my account to find an old post to pick at that were not my opinions but TRIGGER words of the pros, so weird!!!
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/14-May8/JOANA_03_05_2008.htm
As I have constantly even told others who try to claim all lied that week in PDL, It's assumptions, these people lost their jobs because of 9 selfish IMO friends and if you do not like my opinions do what you tell others who mock your blog, ignore. Simple isn't it?
Have a nice day/evening. Silverdoe
Silverdoe,
Delete1. Chaplin’s is not in the PJ Files and that is the point that was being made. A point you completely missed as you should have knocked the Chaplin’s story on the head, by pointing out it couldn’t be true if the tapas staff were to be believed. For us, the Chaplin’s story is true because we have made it perfectly clear we don’t believe in the Tapas staff.
About where Chaplin’s is mentioned elsewhere, one of them we have shown in the blog and you can search for it. The other, we suggest you ask your friend Jules. She should know as she has used where that reference is relatively recently against us.
2. The PJ didn’t say it. Mr Amaral did. It’s in the blog, find it.
3. By saying Chaplin’s is a myth, you are saying that it COULD be real, and not that it is real. But that COULD shouldn’t even exist according to your position. According to you it’s not a myth, it’s a lie.
To give you an example of what should be expected of you, JBLIttlemore tried to convey the idea that the dog COULD have signalled blood and nor that he DID signal it. We rejected the idea of COULD vehemently and didn’t stop until it was clear that it WAS blood the dog signalled and not that it COULD have been blood.
In much the same way, you should have immediately have said that it was not a myth but a lie because there was no COULD about it because they were at Tapas. That simple, you didn’t. In fact you not only thought it possible as you HOPED that it could be proved that they were at Chaplin’s:
https://twitter.com/xxSiLverdoexx/status/1046799124614516737
SheLLxx 💯 @xxSiLverdoexx
Replying to @DesireeLWiggin1 @Tealtraum and 4 others
I think Chaplin's is possible it's just sad we don't have firmer proof.
9:28 am - 1 Oct 2018
(Without numbering) So Chaplin’s is a lie, it’s “not my opinions but TRIGGER words of the pros”. Right, can you please say what from the rest of YOUR list the words/opinions that you used to TRIGGER pros that are also lies like the Chaplin’s one?
Here is your list.
1 - No comment 48 Q's
2 - Goncalo Amaral
3 - Dog alerts
4 - DNA Markers
5 - Dog alerts
6 - Non-Reconstruction
7 - Martin Grime
8 - Dog alerts
9 - Mrs Fenn
10 - Chaplin's (this one we now know you don’t believe in it, it was just to TRIGGER pros)
11 - Dog alerts
12 - No neglect no abduction.
Will be waiting for you to tell us what else falls under the “Chaplin’s” category, of the above that you also don’t believe in.
By the way, do you usually use topics that you don’t believe in to TRIGGER reactions from others? Why? To hear them answer that they don’t believe in them as well?
When are you thinking of answering the Hynds question?
Oh and if you could kindly correct any of my above post without the belittlement I would appreciate that also we are meant to be adults here, lets act like it? Silverdoe...
ReplyDeleteThere's nothing to be corrected.
DeleteAnd this demand comes from someone who publishes private conversations... sigh.
Textusa, it's a shame there isn't a 'like' button on this blog for your comments - you go girl!
DeleteAnd there we have it, what you designed all of this nonsense dragging an old tweet of mine up for - So predictable...All you prove is others right Textusa, not yourself, the 'gang' you hate so much, thank you for reminding me EXACTLY what your 'agenda' here is :) it's appreciated....
DeleteWhat exactly is this person's "agenda"? Ben T fights with TB, in she jumps to his defence. Same M.O. when he fought with Carla Spade, Inez Shootah & Elaine Strachen.
DeleteInez & Elaine have now left tag as a result. No wonder it's a laughing stock if this is the "go to" on the tag!!!
From "FB Anon":
ReplyDelete"Morning! Not sure if you want to use this as a comment but I was watching a TV programme last night called Manhunt. This is a drama co-written by Colin Sutton and based on his time in the Met police, when he was SIO on a murder case and the main suspect was Levi Bellfield. I'm assuming that even though it was a drama, it was factually accurate. There was a part in the programme where The News of the World had heard about Bellfield's imminent arrest and wanted to run the story, against Colin Sutton's wishes. According to the police communications officer, there was nothing the police could do and the story could only be stopped if it was "a threat to national security". It made me think instantly of the McCann cause, and why no UK media have ever run a truthful story about this case. That suggests to me that whoever was at PdL and involved in the swinging event, needed to be protected as to expose them would have been a threat to national security. Surely there can be no other reason for the truth to be covered up and for all UK media, police and the government to be complicit in it?"
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FB Anon,
Yes, we want to use it. :)
However, your reasoning is flawed because you are overlooking what differs from the Maddie case and what you describe above.
In the case above, the media wanted to run the true story whilst in the Maddie case, the media doesn’t want to run it. The media is as complicit in the hoax as all other who want to stop the truth from being outed.
What we have seen from May 4 tells us clearly that. The media gagged itself, it wasn’t gagged.
And it isn’t externally gagged because as we have seen, it can speak against the McCanns without being taken to court. As long as it cherry-picks what it speaks about, or to be precise, as long as it focusses only on the McCanns.
Another clear indication that is the case, is that when the media is gagged, it’s censored, it doesn’t speak of the censored issue. If it wants to speak of the subject, it has to find inventive ways to do it. The attentive reader will be able to pick it up but it has to escape the eyes of the censors. Bottom line, there’s an underlying want to tell the story but something is stopping that from happening.
In the Maddie case, what we have witnessed is the media being used as a propaganda machine on the subject. It clearly wants to tell the lie, not tell the truth. In a state-run media, that would be called an imposition but in democratic media, that is simply collaboration. Or partnership.
https://twitter.com/grand___wazoo/status/1085599695009927168
ReplyDeleteThe Grand Wazoo @grand___wazoo
Replying to @FragrantFrog @Tassie666
They haven’t been cleared of involvement by PSC, & there’s no evidence of any abduction, only parental involvement. I assure you it doesn’t please me in the slightest; in fact it turns my stomach thinking that they let avoidable harm come to their daughter!
10:08 am - 16 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1085600973664542726
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @grand___wazoo @Tassie666
The case has never been tried in a Portuguese Court ergo the SC were talking out of their backsides. It is very sad what happened but no-one expects their child to be abducted from its bed. Such cases are so rare but do happen.
10:13 am - 16 Jan 2019
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Another one who agrees with JBLittlemore.
We think the UN should stop worrying about refugees, global warming or the differences between the rich and the poor. Or at least lower their priority.
We think the UN should pass a resolution determining that ALL worldwide cases be investigated only by the British police and be tried only in the UK. No other nation should be allowed to handle such a great responsibility outside the UK. Only the UK knows about justice.
The Portuguese Supreme Justice Court for example, is absolutely to be ignored because it only has Portuguese judges! Not a single Brit one! Seriously, we kid you not! Not one single Brit! Of course, it could not be anything but hopeless!
https://twitter.com/may_shazzy/status/1085139252034162693
ReplyDeleteShazzy May @may_shazzy
Replying to @CarlaSpade @FragrantFrog @Anvil161Anvil16
How the hell does a parent, who has changed diapers all day, mopped up vomit, picked up clothes, removed sand from every human crevass, dragged screaming snotty nosed rug rats around all day, have time to swing the chandeliers of Praia da Luz by night? Not likely. #McCann
3:38 am - 15 Jan 2019
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So, you agree that if they didn’t have to change diapers all day, didn’t have to mop up vomit, didn’t have to pick up clothes, didn’t have to remove sand from every human crevasse , didn’t have to drag screaming snotty nosed rug rats around all day, then they would have time to swing the chandeliers of Praia da Luz by night?
Good.
Then you agree because according to the official story, the one endorsed by the McCanns, the kids were in the crèche all day long.
Nice to know that we now have a new supporter of the swinging theory.
https://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1085696313910386688
ReplyDeleteJ B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @FragrantFrog @CarlaSpade
Missing, most likely dead & concealed by whoever. It is nature & time of crime being investigated by MET & PJ in order to correctly ID perpetrator of harm against M #Mccann Agree no evidence of swinging. As to criminal trial - who knows?
4:32 pm - 16 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1085698233270030338
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @JBLittlemore @CarlaSpade
And if she was taken with the aim of being found at a later date but the plan went wrong due to the invasion of UK authorities & press?
4:40 pm - 16 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1085700930325147648
J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @FragrantFrog @CarlaSpade
As much as with the swinging scenario it seems folk can only speculate on invasions affecting the outcome of an alleged 'abduction' #Mccann
4:50 pm - 16 Jan 2019
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Oh look, the one who says he couldn’t care less what the PT courts have said (and that what Keela signalled COULD only have been blood) chatting nicely with the other who says the Portuguese Supreme Justice Court is talking out of their backsides (and that Mr Amaral is a torturer)!
And the Frog piles on:
Deletehttps://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1085891995489456135
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @FragrantFrog @JBLittlemore and 2 others
Perhaps I should add here that the ECHR is not full of Portuguese judges & the case will be assessed in an unbiased manner.....
5:30 am - 17 Jan 2019
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Someone is clearly speaking out of their backside for suggesting Portuguese SJC wasn’t fair.
Unpublished Anonymous at 17 Jan 2019, 11:21:00,
ReplyDeleteThe deleted tweets you sent have given us some indication of the sort of person she is, but we won’t publish because it reveals personal information she has probably had second thoughts about and we will respect that by not making it public.
The ref to Walker may relate to a tweet we didn’t see at the time, where his religious affiliation was discussed, rather than his opinions of the dogs’ findings.
Hope you understand.
It’s now day 3 of “Jules is going to own Textusa” and nothing has been shown yet:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1086632094091100162
00The Jules... 🕵️♀️ 🐌 🌸 🐌 🌸 🐌 🌸 @jules1602x
Replying to @EricaCantona7
They're going to get #owned.. 😂
6:30 am - 19 Jan 2019
We have now put up this tweet up the front page of the blog as a daily reminder to Jules that we will be waiting for her to keep her word about publishing the e-mails and pictures that will get us owned.