It is indeed September 2018.
September is, much like March, the time of the year when pressures on the UK government to close Operation Grange have appeared in the recent past.
We have already expressed our opinion about a campaign we believe was launched by those who don’t want the truth to be outed. Had that campaign been successful it would be now at its pinnacle or in momentum to reach it.
Its objective was to mobilise the public opinion furiously against the McCanns to try and force Operation Grange to make the fatal mistake of questioning the McCanns in an attempt to appease the rage of the crowd.
As we have explained, if this questioning is ever to happen it will kill the case as it will make it legally impossible for it to be prosecuted in Portugal and politically impossible for it to be in the UK.
This campaign started with the announcing of a book written by Sergey Malinka with the objective of undermining the Portuguese investigation by accusing it of torture in order to get results.
This would be done by speciously establishing a parallel between it and what happened with Leonor Cipriano. We have shown how this could be done without telling any untruth but simply by cherry-picking the truth, purposely leaving the inconvenient parts out.
This was followed by Colin Sutton and with noticeable presence in the media demanding that the McCanns be heard by Operation Grange.
The internet had the mission of stoking up and maintaining the hatred against the McCanns. With the double objective of, on one hand force Grange and on the other, confirm to anyone a little more curious that the media has been right all these years in saying the internet is indeed filled with McCann haters AKA trolls.
On FB, the soldiering of this campaign was mainly done by the Justice for Madeleine group. They could not demonise the McCanns more than they have, nor could they stress more how neglectful the T9 had been and they could not draw more attention to the fact the neglectful couple was still unpunished.
The new-anti NT and the old-timer Blacksmith had the mission of giving credibility to this neglect-emphasis and hatemongering against the McCanns. There was supposed to be a more active involvement of another blog which we won’t name yet as we haven’t yet given our reasons as to why we think this blogger would be involved nor as to why it wasn’t as active as expected.
Linking the MSM (Sutton) to the internet (JFM, NT and Blacksmith) we had Sonia Poulton whose video intends to get across 2 strong ideas: the McCanns were neglectful and to date they haven’t been questioned by Operation Grange.
Twitter was supposed to gather all of the above on the internet and promote it fiercely and by ripple effect spread the hatred for the McCanns and create a mob effect in demanding that Operation Grange immediately question them.
As the reader can see, it certainly was a campaign! We wonder how much effort went into coordinating it and how long before it went live.
It is ending up rather messy and the protagonists seem to have lost a grip on the process they set in motion. Even Pamela Gurney had to be used. Did they really think this particular campaign was going to work?
And it is September and the tabloid titbits about the McCanns that found their way to the tabloids at the end of August have not appeared. They were like a preview of things to come in September. This month we had silence.
On the internet, all have been forced to reunite forces on top of NT’s hill, forming a square like in the Zulu War. The NT blog is their Custer’s Last Stand at Little Bighorn.
Blacksmith and NT are basically talking to themselves and to the lick-spittle gang.
Justice for Madeleine is limping along. They have overlooked that advertising so many members (37,752 members the last time we looked) does not add up with the embarrassing low number of likes/loves and comments their posts have.
The last time we looked at the latest posts they were promoting:
- NT: 16 likes (4 admin) and 1 comment (from admin);
- Blacksmith: 13 likes/loves (5 admin) and 5 comments (3 admin);
- Sonia Poulton: 11 likes/loves (6 admin) and 3 comments (1 admin);
- Lesly Frances Finn: 15 likes/loves (4 admin) and no comments.
The more members they claim to have the more ridiculous they appear to be.
Justice is the first one to show that its importance by using numbers is fake. Besides, with Brexit and Trump, the time for Facebook as an opinion-shaper has gone.
On Twitter we have the gang members literally talking between themselves on the #mccann.
Pros who have pretended to be antis, for years or recently, talking to pros who make too much of an effort to show that they are really pros.
Many aliases but not that many people. It’s just a small group of people shamelessly continuing to pretend even though they know everyone else knows they are pretending. The fact that their voices have no echo, is a very loud message. They’re completely isolated and contained.
We will wait to see what will appear in the next 2 months. Nothing is better than untruths.
The fact that they are starting with so very little when they had planned for so much is something the blog congratulates itself for.
Meanwhile we will leave readers with how a sex-scandal can ruin a person’s reputation and social standing. A big thank you to our “FB Anon” to have called our attention to it.
This was first reported by CBS on Dec 16 2016 in the article “General demoted after affair, "swinging" lifestyle revealed”.
To those thinking that this was just an American thing, this CBS article has 247 words. The same news, when reported by the Daily Mail, had 953.
The article from the Daily Mail “'Swinging' two-star general is demoted and his career is effectively ended after 11-year affair and multiple sexual partners are discovered” was published on Dec 16 2016:
“- Army Major General David Haight was stripped of his stars and will retire at the level of lieutenant colonel
- The 'steep and rare' demotion came after an investigation into his 'swinging' sex life and long-term affair
- Officials said he repeatedly used military computers and phones for his illicit affairs despite warnings
- Haight was entrusted with classified state secrets and his affairs could have targeted him for blackmail by adversaries
By Associated Press and Daily Mail Reporter
Published: 21:55 BST, 16 December 2016 | Updated: 02:17 BST, 17 December 2016
An Army major general has been stripped of his stars and demoted to lieutenant colonel after a 30-year military career because of a long extramarital affair and a 'swinger' lifestyle.
Embattled Army Major General David Haight was demoted by three steps to the rank of lieutenant colonel, a steep and rare downgrade for a senior officer, Army Secretary Eric Fanning said Friday.
The demotion will cost him $43,000 in annual retirement pay, based on pay scales for a lieutenant colonel and a two-star general with 30 years in the Army. And it slams the door on what was once a promising career.
Fanning approved the board's recommendation and made the final decision.
Philandering is a violation of military law. An Army inspector general investigation concluded that Haight had an inappropriate sexual relationship with a woman who was not his wife, and that he misused government resources, including a department cell phone and computer, for a 'high volume' of personal calls and emails.
Haight's attorney, Army Lt. Col. Sara Root, said Haight regrets his conduct but that it did not detract from his multiple combat tours.
'He has sacrificed a lot for his country. He's not a threat to his country and would never do anything to harm it,' she said, according to USA Today. She insisted he had never been targeted by spies or divulged national secrets.
A demotion of three grades is unusual, and is based on Army regulations that require a three-member board to determine an officer's retirement rank when the person has been found guilty of misconduct.
The board had to decide whether Haight served satisfactorily in his current rank, and if not, he could be demoted to the last rank in which his service would be considered satisfactory.
The demotion suggests that the board concluded that Haight's misconduct stretched back through his time as colonel and was serious enough to make retirement at the more senior grades not possible.
Under the regulations, 'one specific act of misconduct may or may not form the basis for a determination that the overall service in that grade was unsatisfactory, regardless of the period of time served in grade.'
The investigation, which was launched in January, was triggered by anonymous complaints sent to then-Gen. Philip Breedlove, who was the top US general for NATO at the time, and to the Army and Defense Department inspectors general.
According to the report, Haight was verbally counseled at least twice by a senior officer in November 2015 after initial complaints were filed and before the full investigation began.
The counseling, it said, included assistance for possible marital problems, the perception of a relationship with someone who was not his wife, and other personal issues.
In December, more anonymous allegations of misconduct came in, and one included a sexually explicit photograph. And the inspector general ordered a full investigation on January 4.
The probe revealed that Haight conducted an affair for nearly 11 years, and also at times was involved in a 'swinger' lifestyle. He was married during the entire time of the relationship, and has four children.
According to the report, Haight reminded the woman a number of times to communicate with him through another email address because his government accounts were monitored.
'I really would prefer all this traffic be on other net,' he wrote in one email, cited by the report.
The report found that between June-November 2015 he called mistress Jennifer Armstrong, who was a government contractor, more than 80 times from his government cellphone, for a total of more than 1,400 minutes of conversation.
It also found that they exchanged more than 800 personal emails between October 2010 and November 2015, including many that were sexually explicit. Often he signed them with 'ILY,' an abbreviation for 'I love you.'
Armstrong told USA Today in August that the general was leading a double life, one that included her and swingers clubs.
Haight, who dealt with the highest government secrets, could have easily been a target for blackmail if his secret life had been discovered by a foreign adversary, officials anonymously told the outlet.
There were also sexual liaisons with strangers at swingers' clubs, it was reported, as well emails of erotic photos between other swingers.
Haight was also a key adviser to Admiral Mike Mullen, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, during the 2011 raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
Armstrong, 49, said that their relationship began 11 years ago with a flirty email about Haight's 'terrific smile' when she was stationed in Iraq and escalated to a full-blown affair, trysts with other women and couples, and promises of a future together.
'I gave him the best years of my life,' she told the outlet.
Haight had been serving as director for operations at US European Command in Stuttgart, Germany. He was pulled from the job and has been working as a special assistant to the Army deputy chief of staff for military operations.
He was commissioned in 1986 at Brigham Young University and later was assigned to the 75th Ranger Regiment, an Army special operations unit. And he served several combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
If all was legal, if all was consensual, if no one cares these days about whether one is a swinger or not, why would he be a possible victim of blackmail?
We will continue to be a “single-thread forum blog” that we have been lately. Continuing with commenting as we have done with the “The help and the tennis” posts.
We understand that it is a difficult format for readers to follow but we think that our faithful have fully understood why we decided to do that as only in a free-style mode was it possible to have achieved as much as we were able achieve to this summer.
We will continue our path as we planned. Patiently and resiliently as we have always been.
As the Portuguese say, the dogs bark but the caravan continues on. They may bark as much as they like. This case is not about making noise but about reaching those who are silently reading, and in these, those who can decide about this case.
Thanks Textusa
ReplyDeleteI am convinced you are following the correct strategy here. Yes, it is different from what we have been used to but if it helps to pave the way for the truth, the whole truth to emerge then I'm sure we can accept that. I used to think I might be content for the partial truth to emerge rather than nothing - now I just want the whole truth - nothing less is good enough for the general public.
When did Pam Gurney work for the Adjutant in Muharraq? If she’s 85, it was some time ago, as the base closed in the early 1970’s.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 3 Sep 2018, 16:31:00,
DeleteThe observation about Pamela Gurney's age was made by NT in 2015, so she supposedly would be 88 now.
I truly hope I'm considered as one of your 'faithful' Textusa, and yes I very much understand and appreciate your recent strategy, exactly as you see fit.
ReplyDeleteI'll be continuing to read and contemplate every word, thank you!
https://mobile.twitter.com/K9Truth/status/1036550330723512320
ReplyDeleteHe seems to have a genuine concern about paedos but this is quite an accusation to make.
All those professional guests taking their small children to a resort to be abused. Fathers AND mothers.
It happened in the past at Kincora, but it wasn’t with infant children and it was boys who were in care, with no parents to protect them. A bit like Casa Pia?
Anonymous 3 Sep 2018, 19:39:00
DeleteThank you.
Bringing it over to the blog:
https://twitter.com/K9Truth/status/1036550330723512320
Canine Truth @K9Truth
So what were MI5 doing in PDL and why were they so interested in the #McCann case? Maybe it's time to look at the possible similarities between Kincora and PDL/Ocean Club. Political connections, local/visiting VIPs, regular supply of children etc
Canine Truth Retweeted Andrea Davison
https://twitter.com/beforethestars/status/1035872505972645888
2:43 am - 3 Sep 2018
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Will add the following tweet:
https://twitter.com/K9Truth/status/1036657329415118848
Canine Truth@K9Truth
Despite his blind spot for Op Grange, Blacksmith has written v well in the past about Kate #McCann's wobble in early September + has now reconfirmed the PJ's impression that was relayed to him that she was ready to confess. I've heard exactly the same thing from a good source.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmLySM1X0AAdfmm?format=jpg
5:49 pm · 3 Sep 2018
The picture attached to the tweet above seems to be a quote from Blacksmith:
“And finally there is the dog that has never barked in the night, which constrained her even more and constrains her still now. Just as the PJ knew she had lied about the Huelva postponement, just as they have the records of her August interviews they have the records of what was said - or unsaid off the record on September 6.
They are all still hanging there unused but obviously available to investigators. I tried repeatedly to find out from GA about those later September 6 exchanges which his officers had briefed him about. Not a word. Nobody has ever said a word, except that they were convinced she wanted to get it all over with. That was why they were going to make her an arguido the next day.”
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About what K9 has said:
So, according to another source (says K9) Kate was getting ready to confess.
Was it to confessing to what K9 thought was going on: a VIP paedo party in which toddlers like Maddie were supplied by their own parents? That’s what he says in the first tweet.
Is Blacksmith comfortable with this? And we doubt will agree about MI5 either.
About the quote from Blacksmith:
Interesting conversation between someone who doesn’t speak English, who is a very reserved person (Sr Amaral) and someone who doesn’t speak Portuguese but seems to suffer from an acute case of “McFadden syndrome” (Blacksmith).
The PJ officers are not journalists. There are no “off the record” conversations between the police and those they question. By the way, Is anyone even seeing an off-the-record conversation happening between the McCanns and the PJ in September 2007? Only an idiot would suggest such a thing.
Either a document (or a discourse) is legally valid or it is not. If it is legal, then it is either relevant or not. If relevant it is to be included in the files. If not, then it’s left out.
For a document that was considered not relevant and not included in a process that has undergone a decision to be considered relevant there has to be a valid reason.
In absolutely no scenario would anything said by the McCanns during the investigation be considered not relevant for the process. It would evidently be considered relevant and it would be part of the PJ Files. There are no “off-the-record” documents. That simple. Very simple and straightforward.
This how myths are started.
Blacksmith is either utterly arrogant, utterly ignorant or both. That he’s allergic to truth and to integrity is something that seems to be evident.
Blacksmith has replied:
Delete“john blacksmith4 September 2018 at 06:26
Hi. The Unlocked Ward has, once again, parasited on our posts here. What it says about me is irrelevant. The question of truth is another matter. With your OK, NT, perhaps I could deal with it in a lengthy post, split into two digestible halves.
I posted here: “Just as the PJ knew she had lied about the Huelva postponement, just as they have the records of her August interviews they have the records of what was said - or unsaid - off the record on September 6.”
Unlocked Ward: “The PJ officers are not journalists. There are no “off the record” conversations between the police and those they question. By the way, is anyone even seeing an off-the-record conversation happening between the McCanns and the PJ in September 2007? Only an idiot would suggest such a thing.”
I made no mention of “conversation between the McCanns and the PJ”. Try reading it again, without the medication.
1. We know that her lawyer was in discussions with the PJ throughout the day. She pretends ignorance of what he was discussing.No record of these hours of talks has been made public by the parties. While KM quoted Abreu’s supposedly confidential words in the apartment at length subsequently, she had nothing to say about what was actually going on police HQ or who was instructing Abreu.
She writes finally: “Outside the room, Paulo Ferreira stopped me in the corridor and said in a portentous tone, ‘You must go back now and listen very carefully to your lawyer. He has something important to say to you.’”.
That conversation is not in the files but no matter. The entire section is a pack of lies, carefully setting up her “they forced a deal on me”. What did they say to you? Ask my lawyer.
The police know exactly what they said to her and her lawyer.
continued.
john blacksmith4 September 2018 at 06:45
DeleteTwo.
2.In fact the whole arguido business, due to disagreements all round, was a chaotic mess. The parents were notified they were arguidos for the May 6 questioning but at the last minute, partly at Abreu’s request, minds were changed and they were questioned as witnesses, not arguidos – but with self-imposed limitations on what would be asked. These were then forgotten later on. It was not the PJ’s finest hour.
Now, anyone who has given a witness statement knows that what appears on paper is not a portrayal of what happened, it is an agreed final version of what is to be recorded, whether about a road accident or an assassination. I refer you to the rogatory interviews: the section on the first O'Brien statement is what it's really like, even with language limitations.
4. I’ve mentioned many times that I raised with the Amaral team the question of why the Tanner van sighting was not in the files and for clarification of events on the evening of September 6. These were critical issues to which I felt I had to have an answer.
GA was asked the questions and revealed for the first time that the Tanner operation was legally inadmissible although I did not pass that on at the time. Nevertheless the records of it are known to both the PJ and British police.
On the second matter he quite rightly didn’t give any the words of his officers, or name them, to an outsider. Nevertheless he made it clear that at the end of the evening his officers were “completely convinced” that Kate McCann intended to make a voluntary admission about her role the next morning and co-operate with the investigation. It was then that she was to be made an arguido.
As yet, we have no idea what convinced his officers but they certainly have. Ferreira's supposed words quoted above then look rather different, don't they, if he was one of the "convinced"?
Instead of the (obviously paraphrased - she didn't have a recorder) words meaning "Our message/ultimatum/final offer will be passed onto you tonight by your lawyer, listen carefully",which is what the Leicester Liar wants readers to believe, they can now read as "listen very carefully to your lawyer before saying anything you might regret tomorrow", a worthy caution in everyone's interests, not least the PJ's.
No doubt representatives for Goncalo will make it clear if I have not given an accurate description of his comments.”
We will reply to this once we are finished with "The importance of Twitter NIck Townsend".
DeleteBut meanwhile, it would be important for Blacksmith, if he wishes to do so, to clarify who exactly is this “Amaral team”.
What was initially “I tried repeatedly to find out from GA about those later September 6 exchanges which his officers had briefed him about” has now been clarified to “I’ve mentioned many times that I raised with the Amaral team the question…” and then “GA was asked the questions and revealed for the first time…”
We would like to know if these people had any link to the investigation or if they are a group of people who befriended Sr Amaral in which he confided.
"McFadden Syndrome" : )) Any repsect I had for Blacksmith flew out the window years ago when he started fawning over "Isabelle from Paradise" on his blog. No-one who was interested in the truth in the McCann case would praise, defend or promote this fantasist. Maybe they are birds of a feather.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 4 Sep 2018, 10:14:00,
DeleteWe would say that it is interesting and very informative for one to go back and notice the people Blacksmith has fawned over the years.
Yes indeed although I think in this case he might have gushed over Isabel because he knew it would annoy Joana Morais. I really do think he is that spiteful & petty. The bitching & mutual backslapping on NotTextusa is quite nauseating.
DeleteInteresting “Phoenix” tweet from the Frog:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1036653338820050945
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @GangMember666 @xxMichelleSxx and 6 others
IMO Mrs Fenn's statement was designed to implicate Kate. Tues night was the same night Kate was in apt using her phone - PJ had the records - & left around 10.30pm. The insinuation was Kate left Madeleine crying, after doing "something" which made M call for Daddy, not Mummy.
9:33 am - 3 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1036664586668318721
SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @FragrantFrog @GangMember666 and 7 others
What are your thoughts on Madeleine being called Maddie? Why do they say they never called her Maddie when it's obvious they did? #mccann
10:17 am - 3 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1036669079367630851
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @SadeElisha86 @GangMember666 and 7 others
I have no particular thoughts on that. What are your thoughts on the poster also known as Phoenix?
10:35 am - 3 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1036874667053785088
DeleteSadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @FragrantFrog @TheBunnyReturns
Well I don't know who you're talking about so can't answer your question.
12:12 am - 4 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1036952048900747264
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @SadeElisha86 @TheBunnyReturns
Ask around....Textusa is watching. :-)
5:20 am - 4 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1036653338820050945
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @GangMember666 @xxMichelleSxx and 6 others
IMO Mrs Fenn's statement was designed to implicate Kate. Tues night was the same night Kate was in apt using her phone - PJ had the records - & left around 10.30pm. The insinuation was Kate left Madeleine crying, after doing "something" which made M call for Daddy, not Mummy.
9:33 am - 3 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/DavidHuddo/status/1036657950591537153
David Hudson @DavidHuddo
Replying to @FragrantFrog @GangMember666 and 6 others
That is fantasy. Who would want to implicate Kate and use an 80 year unconnected and obviously independent person to do it. IMO #Madeleine was crying in pain calling for Daddy because he wasn’t there but Kate was. Why was she in pain?
9:51 am - 3 Sep 2018
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So, if one wanted to implicate Kate, it would have been best to have used a younger person, connected and either not obviously independent or even dependent?
Maybe the person to be used should also help the PJ out and be brutally honest and just say “listen, what I’m about to say is absolute tripe but I want to implicate Kate, so please believe the story I’m about to invent”.
It seems that using a person apparently unconnected to create a story is a fantasy, completely unheard of.
Interesting to see that the Frog agrees with us that Mrs Fenn was lying.
In our “Narrative of Negligence” post, we show Robert Murat making a call to a PJ officer about the crying incident and how it links him with Fenn:
Deletehttp://textusa.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-narrative-of-negligence.html
“On May 16 2007, GNR officer Paulo Carvalhosa da Costa (Carvalhosa misspelled as Carvaihosa in the original PJ Files) stated that on May 4 he arrived at the Ocean Club at 00.05. When asked, he said he never saw Robert Murat in all the times he visited the scene:
“He does remember, on a day he cannot recall, an individual who identified himself as Robert, saying that he was in PdL as a translator helping the PJ, phoned the Lagos post saying:
That some foreign women, who had already been questioned by the Judiciary Police had phoned him, communicating that in a apartment near them there was a child crying.”
Up to this date only Mrs Fenn has said she heard a child crying. This suggests it was her who may have been the “women” – probably a plural heard by Carvalhosa da Costa where there was none. Although she did not make an official statement until August 20 2007, when she reported hearing crying, which persisted for 75 minutes in the apartment below at 22.30 on May 1st, it’s likely that she had spoken to the police before this statement was taken.
If this was indeed Mrs Fenn, then she had phoned Robert Murat at a very early stage. Presumably, Murat had not just phoned Carvalhosa da Costa a couple of days before the 16th or the officer would have been more precise in his recall of when he spoke with Murat.
Murat’s call to Carvalhosa da Costa must, therefore, have been before May 14th and the crying call conversation must have been made by the woman to Murat on or before May 14th.
Why would Mrs Fenn phone Murat unless she already knew the family and had their phone number? Perhaps Murat has clarified this situation in his December interview with Scotland Yard officers?
We find it perfectly natural for two ex-pat families living down the road from one another in a small village like Praia da Luz to know details of each other such as phone numbers.
Mrs Fenn sustained the neglect scenario with her heart-breaking description of a child crying “Daddy, Daddy.” Having been the alleged victim of a burglary in her own apartment, it didn’t occur to her to alert the Ocean Club reception and ask them to check if a child had been left unattended, or to see if the child may have been crying in the presence of a parent or childminder.
Instead, she phones her friend Edna Glyn, after listening to the crying for half an hour! She was also surprisingly precise in her statement that this was an older child (Maddie rather than the twins) How could she possibly know the age of a child from the repetition of those words?”
Reading comments from Insane on that post is interesting as he tries to establish that the women were calling to report a child crying after M went.
DeleteAs if the PJ officer wouldn’t have immediately taken full details and sent the police to the address, to see if it was M being held captive.
Murat would surely have asked the women where the crying was heard, before phoning, as he was being asked to convey info to PJ.
Insane scenario: 2 women ring Murat.
“We can hear a child crying, can you ring PJ and tell them as we can’t speak Portuguese?”
Murat “Ok, will do. Mum, did you water the garden today?”
Mrs Fenn’s friend, Edna Glyn died in 2015 on Isle of Man. Presumably she had a holiday home in PdL, as she seemed familiar with crying children.
DeleteOr did Mrs Fenn phone her in the U.K. to share her concern about a crying child?
Unfortunately, as both are dead, it isn’t possible for the call to the PJ officer via Murat, to be clarified by them.
It's very easy to buy fake FB profiles:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/reminder-its-really-easy-to-buy-fake-facebook-accounts/
https://fbaccs.com/
A blog with 6 readers reduced to 2 receives rougly 15k visits in just over a week with hundreds of comments. A FB group with circa 38000 members gets 10 likes (50% from admin). I'm no maths genius but something not adding up there!
Deletehttps://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1036976358914711552
ReplyDeleteBugsy @TheBunnyReturns
Replying to @TomMooreAtHome
I sat and watched them give 'evidence' at court in Lisbon in 2014. Trust me, a decent lawyer in this country would tear their lies to shreds.
6:56 am - 4 Sep 2018
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Indeed! We honestly cannot see how backward countries unable to come up with decent lawyers are allowed to have sovereign justice systems and dare hold court sessions!
Any sovereign country outside the UK, to start a process should have to submit it to a vetting process by the UK to see if it meets the high UK standards. If it doesn’t, as it’s clearly the case of Portugal, then the process should take place in its entirety in the UK.
So they place these people into social media which makes them look authentic whilst pushing a subtle agenda about dogs etc. Makes them look pure (pure antis) while pushing closure.
ReplyDeleteThe importance of Twitter Nick Townsend (TNT)/HonestBroker (HB) – Part 6
ReplyDeleteAt the end of part 5, we said the following:
“Let’s just sum up for now what we know so far about the specific person TNT/HB claims that NT is:
- in 2007-2009 was McCann sceptic poster;
- a woman;
- an academic;
- worked at Liverpool University, to where her personal details and posts published were sent;
- was called Vanessa Sluming.”
We got all this from.”
We said we got the above from NT, Blacksmith, TNT/HB and Watcher (NT). To be specific from the following 7 statements:
#1 - “Honestbroker has spent years claiming that I am a specific named academic from Liverpool University” Watcher (NT) in The Discussion Forum (TD Forum) on Mar 30);
#2 - “The offensive posts [allegedly on the pro-forum Stop the Myths and allegedly by HonestBroker/TNT] have now been removed. Many thanks.” (Watcher (NT) in TD Forum on Mar 30);
#3 - “Hello NT. On twitter your old friend, the disgusting Townsend, whose record of stalking and falsely accusing innocent people…” (Blacksmith in NT’s blog on Jul 19);
#4 - “He [TNT] also falsely claimed that I was a specific named person and posted links to their professional profile, email address, phone number etc.” (NT in his blog on Jul 22);
#5 - “…the person he [TNT] claimed NT is was herself the subject of an absolutely scandalous stalking campaign back in 2007-9 in which an academic McCann sceptic, and a very good poster, was not just named but had her posts sent to her university on numerous occasions along with misinformation,with the sole aim of getting her shamed and sacked from her lectureship”( Blacksmith in NT’s blog on Jul 27);
#6 - “Failed at the first hurdle (that's Sluming!)” (TNT/HB on Aug 12);
#7 - “Vanessa Sluming? (TNT on Aug 15)-”
We did a search on Twitter from 2007 onwards for “Vanessa Sluming” and “Sluming” and we got the following 11 results related to Vanessa Sluming:
#1 - https://twitter.com/Free_truth/status/20321552036
Darth Sidious @Free_truth
Happyday catches out Dr Vanessa Sluming http://tinyurl.com/33874hw
10:48 am - 4 Aug 2010
#2 - https://twitter.com/Free_truth/status/20321572046
Darth Sidious @Free_truth
Mr Bennett Replies to Dr Vanessa Sluming http://tinyurl.com/242a5xj
10:48 am - 4 Aug 2010
#3 - https://twitter.com/muratfan/status/28960840665268224
trollhunter @muratfan
@santi_girl http://thm-a01.yimg.com/nimage/706e2e60da41a10e Vanessa Sluming Liverpool Uni #McCann
3:42 pm - 22 Jan 2011
#4 - https://twitter.com/muratfan/status/29173030160703488
trollhunter @muratfan
santi-girl (vanessa sluming University of Liverpool) you can run but cannot hide http://amplicate.com/users/514891761/santi_girl #Mccanns
5:46 am - 23 Jan 2011
#5 - https://twitter.com/muratfan/status/106855573085110272
trollhunter @muratfan
Replying to @greenink211
@greenink211 did you know @praterstrasse is actually none other than one Vanessa Sluming #mccann
3:28 pm - 25 Aug 2011
#6 - https://twitter.com/muratfan/status/115122460889845760
trollhunter @muratfan
MORE TROLLS WHO HOUND THE MCCANNS VANESSA SLUMING #MCCANN #THESUNNEWSPAPER http://brenryanandco.blogspot.com/2011/09/more-trolls-who-hound-mccanns.html?spref=tw
10:58 am - 17 Sep 2011
#7 - https://twitter.com/veniviedivici/status/219582649373691905
Laffin@Mirror again @veniviedivici
Replying to @muratfan
@muratfan Nice, now all we need to id the Vanessa Sluming conection to Truth'M_lud forum ! daft #McCann #scam trolls ? catch the big one ?
5:05 pm - 1 Jul 2012
#8 - https://twitter.com/Irish_Ulster/status/241247847541002240
Ruaidri Ua Conchobair ☘️ Ireland's last Irish King @Irish_Ulster
Replying to @greenink211
@greenink211 @elementaryforce Tick tock who do you think's next to be outed in media; Dr Vanessa Sluming Sue Menez Alice Mottesrhead #McCann
11:55 am - 30 Aug 2012
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ReplyDelete#9 - https://twitter.com/greenink211/status/315459092711878656
green @greenink211
@Jgineqe For information @elementaryforce is Vanessa Sluming, lecturer at Liverpool Uni & long term #McCann co hounder with @veniviedivici.
6:44 am - 23 Mar 2013
#10 - https://twitter.com/HiDeHo_contro2/status/373618026786344960
HiDeHo Controversy 2 @HiDeHo_contro2
@veniviedivici between you and Vanessa Sluming you really did hang @zampos out to dry ! I'd say Carter Ruck were delighted with you #mccann
6:27 pm - 30 Aug 2013
And our already known tweet from TNT last month:
#11 - https://twitter.com/nicktownsend12/status/1029803889552510976
nick townsend @nicktownsend12
Replying to @Jules1602x @FragrantFrog and 19 others
Vanessa Sluming?
11:55 am - 15 Aug 2018
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This confirms that that Dr Vanessa Sluming working as senior lecturer at Liverpool University who was mentioned in the NT/Blacksmith’s claim was a real person.
In the above she’s alleged to have used 3 Twitter aliases: @santi_girl, @praterstrasse and @elementaryforce. Of these 3 we are only familiar with @elementaryforce, not having heard about the other 2.
As can be seen, the first tweet where she’s mentioned is in 2010, outside the period (2007.2009) mentioned by Blacksmith.
However her ‘outing’ may have fallen inside it, as in a mail dated Dec 15 2009, Dr Vanessa Sluming assumea as being the poster “Photon”.
This mail, to Tony Bennett was partially published in Dec 16 2009 in post called “A TWILIGHT DRIVE-BY PHOTOSHOOT OF THE MCCANN'S HOUSE” in a blog called “ANTHONYBENNETT_FRAUDSTER”:
http://anthonybennett-fraudster.blogspot.com/2009/12/tony-bennett-outside-mccanns-house.html
“PHOTON (Dr. Vanessa Sluming)’s email TO BENNETT 15 DECEMBER 2009,
Val Smith wrote:
Subject: RE: Disappointed that as 'scrimas' you asked me hostile questions on Jill's Forum
To: ajsbennett@btinternet.comDate: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 22:00
Dear Tony
.....snipped
I (Dr. Vanessa Sluming, aka Photon) edited and posted a photo of the McCann's house which you (Tony Bennett) sent me - which I uploaded to my hosting account. As a consequence of that, I was (and still am) accused of taking that picture and being a stalker. Did you ever rectify that misconception??
End Email”
So, in December 2009, Sr Vanessa Sluming refers to both her name and poster alias and doesn’t complain about any campaign set out to identify her, or at least one that appeared to bother her.
As we could see, the first 2 tweets mentioning her are from Darth Sidious @Free_truth and are dated Aug 4 2010, almost 8 months after the mail above and seem to reference the issue between her and Tony Bennet:
- the first says “Happyday catches out Dr Vanessa Sluming http://tinyurl.com/33874hw”;
- the second “Mr Bennett Replies to Dr Vanessa Sluming http://tinyurl.com/242a5xj”;
Both links above don’t work as they will take the reader to the pro-forum “Chaosraptor” that no longer exists. If one is to believe in these tweets, it would seem that it was one “Happyday” who mentioned Dr Vanessa Sluming’s name there.
No mention of Honestbroker who was a prominent poster there as he was in every pro-forum. HB was indeed a very active pro. To understand how active HB was, he was as active as now NT and Blacksmith have tried to make us believe TNT was active but wasn’t as we have proved.
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ReplyDeleteIn fact, there are 2 things that are part of the storyline concocted by NT and Blacksmith and that are blatantly missing from all of the above, tweets and Dec 15 mail:
- the first, as we said, no Honestbroker;
- the second is that there’s no NT.
Remember, TNT/HB is supposed to have targeted BOTH Dr Vanessa Sluming and NT. Neither does TNT/HB appear, nor does NT.
Dr Vanessa Sluming was best known as @elementaryforce on Twitter.
There is a mention once of an alias, @praterstrasse and of another alias, @santi_girl, twice. Both aliases are mentioned by @Muratfan.
Muratfan was a very well-known pro as much as Honestbroker was, so to say now that Muratfan was HB is absurd. So neither of these aliases are HB accusing NT of being him, and besides @praterstrasse is mentioned only once and @santi_girl twice.
So where is NT? The man allegedly persecuted alongside Dr Vanessa Sluming? Wasn’t that what Blacksmith has alleged happened and what NT corroborated that had happened?
Nowhere is NT to be found.
It’s quite clear that HonestBroker did not target either NT or even Dr Vanessa Sluming as BOTH Blacksmith and NT have said he did.
We see Dr Vanessa Sluming being targeted by others but the targeting of NT alongside her is pure fiction. An invention. Fiction.
There is one third thing that is missing from the tweets and mail that was in the purported storyline: the data that was allegedly sent to the Liverpool University.
Blacksmith is very clear about it when he states “…but had her posts sent to her university on numerous occasions along with misinformation”.
Liverpool University is mentioned 3 times in the tweets:
- On Jan 22 2011, @muratfan: “@santi_girl http://thm-a01.yimg.com/nimage/706e2e60da41a10e Vanessa Sluming Liverpool Uni #McCann”
- On Jan 23 2011, @muratfan: “santi-girl (vanessa sluming University of Liverpool) you can run but cannot hide http://amplicate.com/users/514891761/santi_girl #Mccanns”
- On Mar 23 2013, @greenink: “@Jgineqe For information @elementaryforce is Vanessa Sluming, lecturer at Liverpool Uni & long term #McCann co hounder with @veniviedivici.”
However nothing is said about having been sent any of Dr Vanessa Sluming’s personal data or of her internet activity there.
In fact, there is one tweet from @greenink211 that confirms that until Aug 30 2012 no such information had been sent to Liverpool University:
https://twitter.com/greenink211/status/241246585009356800
“green @greenink211
@elementaryforce Why did you delete all those other TROLLING ACCOUNTS you had here on Twitter? FEAR OF EXPOSURE at that UNI? #McCann
11:50 am - 30 Aug 2012”
Why threaten with something that was supposed to have happened years before? Because it didn’t happen.
Is it credible that it was sent afterwards? We don’t think it is.
What has happened is very easy to understand: Blacksmith and NT concocted a story, based on a true story but that had no connection whatsoever with NT, to make NT appear to be a credible anti because he had been obsessively targeted by a pro, TNT, a character invented by them.
Fiction piggybacking reality to sell NT as a credible anti.
In the next and final part, we will say more about both of these characters.
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1037759850736832512
ReplyDeleteBugsy @TheBunnyReturns
Replying to @fiorifan @jules1602x @pmc21767
I've spoken to 7 dog handlers since I started following the McCann case. Whilst none of them would comment on the actual case, they all knew of Martin Grime, and of Eddie and Keela. All of them spoke very highly of all 3.
10:50 am - 6 Sep 2018
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Says someone who fully endorses dog-disser NT who has said this in his blog:
- on Thursday, 25 June 2015 that “Keela is trained to alert to blood. We don't know what Keela alerted to as no confirmed blood was found in the apartment”;
- on Wednesday, 25 April 2018 that “Keela is trained to alert to the smell of blood. Blood does not need to be present to trigger an alert.”
The Frog and Mrs Fenn, a person who as we have seen previously the Frog thinks she has lied:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1037672852038868992
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @zampos @Bale2N
I understood the crying to have been going on at the time the phone call to Murat was made i.e. after Madeleine had disappeared. Nothing to do with Mrs Fenn.
5:04 am - 6 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1037695291758141440
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @zampos @Bale2N
Why do you conclude it must be Mrs Fenn? She was not a foreigner to Murat. Furthermore there is no record of her number calling Murat's landline or mobile. #mccann
6:33 am - 6 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1037705121688432645
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @zampos @jules1602x @Bale2N
KM 4/5/07 She reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying. The interviewee states that she had heard nothing and had therefore not gone into the bedroom.
7:12 am - 6 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/zampos/status/1037711479506649089
Anthony Bennett @zampos
Replying to @FragrantFrog @Bale2N
I agree there's no record of a call by #PamelaFenn to #RobertMurat or anyone else, save Edna Glyn. But I'd also have to question how Murat knew about an alleged crying incident when no-one else seems to have heard it & there were no other reports about it until 18 August #McCann
7:37 am - 6 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1037713267463016449
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @zampos @Bale2N
Possibly because the caller was a foreign tourist (perhaps Dutch or German) & they had one of the business cards Murat was busy distributing as he helped the GNR? IMO the crying was happening around the time of the phone call i'e. well after the disappearance.
7:44 am - 6 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/zampos/status/1037743037731008513
Anthony Bennett @zampos
Replying to @FragrantFrog @Bale2N
Not with you. You wrote: "The crying was happening around the time of the 'phone call". The ALLEGED crying was on 1 May. Madeleine #McCann was reported missing 3 May. #PamelaFenn says she called Edna Glyn on 1 May. Are you suggesting the 'foreign woman' phoned Murat AFTER 3 May?
9:43 am - 6 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1037746809752432640
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @zampos @Bale2N
Yes, after 3rd May, when he was helping the GNR/PJ & he'd been handing out his number. I believe it was a genuine call from someone concerned that the crying child they could hear was Madeleine.
9:58 am - 6 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1037756820733997056
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @zampos @Bale2N
The PJ had set up shop in Block 4 [in a later tweet corrects it to Block 6] within a couple of days. What stopped Mrs Fenn from tootling over & reporting it directly? Many people gave the PJ/GNR info, including Dr Totman - what happened to it? Maybe the call related to the crying heard in the staff quarters?
10:38 am - 6 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1037828437136826368
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @Tealtraum @xxMichelleSxx and 3 others
Leading on I'm not sure words weren't put into PF's mouth when she made statement in Aug in an effort to pin the tale(sic) on Kate. PJ knew by that time Tues only night no Tapas 9 in apts & Kate's phone was in use right b4 10.30pm. PJ should've been more interested in burglary
3:22 pm - 6 Sep 2018
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So now, it was after May 3?
Robert Murat who is DAILY with the PJ officers because he’s translating for them and calls a GNR officer? Seriously, Frog?
The Frog has replied:
Deletehttps://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1038219078782078977
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
For Textusa
Umas senhoras called Murat AFTER they had made their statements, therefore 4th May or after. Had Mrs Fenn made a statement during May in which she failed to mention any crying? It doesn't appear so. #mccann
5:14 pm - 7 Sep 2018
Frog,
Deletehttp://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAOLO_COSTA.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P5/05_VOLUME_Va_Page_1345.jpg
“Recorda no entanto, em dia em que já não pode precisar que um indivíduo que se identificou como Robert, dizendo-se tradutor e que se encontrava na Praia da Luz a auxiliar a Polícia Judiciária, telefonou para o Posto da GNR de Lagos, comunicando:
Que umas senhoras estrangeiras, as quais já haviam sido inquiridas pela Polícia Judiciária, lhe haviam telefonado, comunicando que num apartamento próximo delas se encontrava uma criança a chorar.”
Translated:
“Remembers however, that on a day he cannot determine which, an individual who identified himself as Robert, saying that he was translator who was in Praia da Luz helping the PJ, phoned the Lagos post, saying:
That some foreign women, who had already been interviewed by the police, had phoned him, telling him that in and apartment near them there was a child crying.”
The date of phone call is uncertain.
The “who had already been interviewed by the police” is an adjectivisation of the women and not a temporal correlation with the crying episode.
We will grant that the time of the crying is also uncertain and could have happened before or after Maddie disappeared.
If before, it would only relate to the case if those women (plural) were staying near 5A. If that was so, it would be a relevant incident and its details would be in the files.
If it was after it, it would only relate to the case if there was any reason to believe that it was an abducted Maddie crying and that would have been certainly in the files. As we said, if this was the case, then the McCanns would have jumped on this a long time ago.
Because it isn’t in the files, it means the PJ determined not to be relevant.
If before, because the women were not staying within hearing distance of 5A, if after because it was obviously unrelated to Maddie.
The question remains, why would anyone address Robert Murat by phone when the police on the streets of Luz was visible to all? Why call Murat when the natural reaction would be to call the police?
And also, if he was working for the PJ, certainly there would have been an exchange of contacts between him and the PJ officers he was helping with the translations, so why not call them directly instead of the GNR?
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DeleteThe fact that the further clarification of this crying episode is not on files brings us to an important question that has been wrongly addressed by people over the years and that is the importance of information missing from the files. Note, we did not say missing files.
As we have explained repeatedly and no matter how much to the contrary a couple of deluded imperialists who still think that the axis the earth rotates around is the UK try to say, there are no missing files.
However, there is a lot of information that has been left out: all that the PJ determined not to be relevant to the case at the time. Not missing files, unpublished files. Unpublished not because of secrecy but because of lack of relevance.
Here is where your statement “Had Mrs Fenn made a statement during May in which she failed to mention any crying? It doesn't appear so” is wrong.
The documental procedures of a Portuguese investigation are very heavily based on presumption.
One presumption is that all relevant people were questioned. That includes all those who were staying nearby apartment 5A on the night of May 3. In those relevant people, Pamela Fenn is presumed to be included.
The fact they are relevant doesn’t mean they had anything to say of relevance. There were hundreds of people interviewed who said simply “I saw nothing suspicious whatsoever”. Those hundreds of statements were considered not to be relevant and were not included in the files.
The fact that there is no statement from Pamela Fenn on May 4 in the files, does not mean she didn’t give one, in fact – under the presumption principle – it is certain she did AND because it isn’t in the files it’s a FACT that it was a “I saw nothing suspicious whatsoever” statement, meaning she made no mention of a crying episode.
So to your question “Had Mrs Fenn made a statement during May in which she failed to mention any crying?” the answer is, yes she did.
Unless you prefer to believe that the PJ was so incompetent they overlooked to question immediately the person who resided above 5A and was home on the night of May 3.
Presumably same reasons Moyes did not have any statements in the files?
DeleteThey were sitting above 5a but heard and saw nothing.
They later spoke to the media, including Susan Moyes on radio.
Jez Wilkins partner spoke to the police, according to her newspaper article, (where she was quite sarcastic about their reaction to a photograph) but no statement from her appears in the files; because she didn’t witness anything?
Evidence that nothing was witnessed can be as important as something.
But there may be a reason why PJ files only record something.
According to files, around 400 properties were checked (can’t remember exact number from memory)
They are not specified in files, again, presumably because majority of residents saw/ heard nothing.
Somewhere, however, this information remains stored? And can be used retrospectively if its significance becomes apparent.
Likewise, RM can be asked, or has been asked, to clarify when this woman phoned him (only one of the 2 women made the phone call, perhaps referring to her friend) and what she said about the location of the crying child.
If both of the women are now dead, then that’s as far as it can be taken.
RM doesn’t mention the phone call from the foreign woman in his statements.
DeleteFrog,
DeleteIn case you missed it, as Mr Thompson published this morning at 11:27 this tweet but has since deleted it:
Bugsy@TheBunnyReturns
@FragrantFrog I wonder how high you’ll jump, and allow yourself to be controlled.
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1038510097465532418
DeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
@TheBunnyReturns I don't come with a remote control. :)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmmHQaVX4AInyw9.jpg
12:31 pm - 8 Sep 2018
Don't you think it's a little bit weird to challenge people where they can't reply? Why not join Twitter, and contradict these people head on? You only seem to challenge people in your own comfort zone. Do you not think people reading will find that a little bit suspicious? That you are too afraid, too unknowledgeable, too vulnerable to correction, to venture beyond a place where you have time, control, and the power to oppose free speech?
ReplyDeleteHardly seems fair, is all.
Not suspicious at all. Twitter is a cesspit of mis-information. Especially the #Mccann tag. Full of ghost accounts with very few followers. Why would you want to become part of that hell hole!
Deletehttps://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1038531179266355200
DeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @jules1602x @SadeElisha86
Has NT joined twitter?
1:55 pm - 8 Sep 2018
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/728437/madeleine-mccann-maddie-latest-search-missing-praia-da-luz-portugal
ReplyDelete“Madeleine McCann cops in secret trips to Portugal as police remain on trail
POLICE looking for missing Madeleine McCann have made secret visits to Portugal.
By Jonhathan Corke / Published 9th September 2018
The Daily Star Sunday can reveal detectives bought five return flights to the country in the last financial year.
The air tickets, which cost £1,240, were for two separate trips, according to the Metropolitan Police.
The senior investigating officer, Det Chief Insp Nicola Wall, also claimed £811 for accommodation along with £80 on taxis to and from UK airports.
As well as DCI Wall, three detective constables and one detective sergeant are in the Operation Grange investigating team.
Their probe recently won further Home Office funding of up to £150,000.d
Former police and taxpayers have questioned why the probe is still going on.
Details of the flights, which we obtained via Freedom of Information laws, suggest there could still be important leads.
Madeleine’s parents Kate, 50, and Gerry, 49, of Rothley, Leics, believe their girl, who would now be 15, could still be alive.”
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The 2018 Fall campaign has started. On a bad foot for them, we would say.
Note how muddled is the financial data in the article.
£1,240 for 2 trips means £640 a trip. 5 trips, adds up to £3,100 for travel expenses.
It seems from the article that the trips were made by Nicola Wall only as only she has claimed accommodation and taxi expenses.
£3,100 for travel, adding £891 for accommodation and taxis, it all comes to £3,991.
So, according to this article Operation Grange (OG) has spent £4,000 in an entire fiscal year. Is that really a waste?
Even if OG’s other 3 officers have spent an equal amount of money, all would add up to £16,000 a year on expenses extra-wages.
As we have seen in previous articles, the officers are not allocated exclusively to the OG as they have been reported to have investigated other crimes. Their wages will be continued to be paid after OG is closed.
Will the UK close OG because it can’t support a yearly expense of £16,000 in a very high-profile case? Really?
Of course not. They’re just squeezing the word “waste” to its last drop.
This article just mentions the costs of recent flights and mentions about other costs and the fact that former police and also taxpayers are questioning the costs of the OG. The average reader won’t do the math and see how ridiculous the entire article is and will only pick up the ideas of waste and of cost-questioning.
This is to try and convince the public that OG is a waste of public money in a subtle effort to get the investigation closed down as in the same newspaper online there is a larger article about Government cuts to the Army and police: “Brit soldiers and police set for MASSIVE CUTS as Government faces £1.3 trillion bill”
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/728466/frontline-services-uk-armed-forces-schools-hospitals-police-government-britain
Using Mark Williams-Thomas and the Daily Star isn’t exactly presenting the best credentials for their case. It’s like presenting Mr Creosote to promote a slimming program.
Read it again Tex,its rubbish,there was a FOI posted upon Justice Forum regards those flights which took place in 2017,the last financial year as alluded to in the story,some ones fishing bugger all happening.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 9 Sep 2018, 12:22:00,
Delete"Read it again" are words to which the Daily Star readers and those who had this article commissioned are betting that they are.
Not saying you’re wrong, on the contrary we believe that you are right. In fact, Doug D on CMOMM is also saying that FOI was in August 2017 and only £10 difference between costs of 2017.
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t15509-daily-star-short-of-news-today#390512
This article in terms of content or fact, seems to us to be a re-hash of last year’s figures and there is no update.
But fact matters little. What matters is the message: waste and questioning of OG. That is there, no need to read it again. What is around this message, the re-hashed facts, is there only to help drive in the message, so, in practical terms, irrelevant for the purported objectives it is meant to achieve.
Your and Doug D’s comment, show to the “deciding eyes” that even though the obfuscating campaign that is being driven by NT & Blacksmith and their lick-spittle foot-soldiers, the people who are on the internet and who are not here pretending continue to be paying close attention to the case and will immediately dismantle any attempt to deceive.
Yep, oh what a tangled web they weave.
Deletehttps://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1038518100906467328
ReplyDeleteJules... 🐶 🌸 🐘 🌸 🦁 🌸 @jules1602x
Replying to @FragrantFrog @SadeElisha86
You're slowly turning into a right grouch Mrs Frog..
1:03 pm - 8 Sep 2018
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How does Jules know that the Frog is a woman? And a married one at that?
Interesting.
Interesting tweet from the Frog:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1038558102960910337
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @zampos @Tealtraum and 3 others
Why dispute the photo Edmonds forwarded to the team? Didn't the Foster family have some video footage & photographs also? Even Amaral never disputed the last known time Madeleine was seen by an independent witness.
3:42 pm - 8 Sep 2018
Interesting tweet exchange:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1038569301282840576
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @jules1602x @zampos and 4 others
How would Mrs Fenn have known the patio door sliding was the parents returning rather than a babysitter leaving?
4:26 pm - 8 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1038569677289611269
Jules... 🐶 🌸 🐘 🌸 🦁 🌸 @jules1602x
Replying to @FragrantFrog @zampos and 4 others
Probably because she heard them..
4:28 pm - 8 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1038570500946096128
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @jules1602x @zampos and 4 others
Really? She could distinguish their voices from the Oldfields next door & knew that they were using the patio door rather than the front door?
4:31 pm - 8 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1038490953991049216
ReplyDeleteSadeElisha @SadeElisha86
New comment from the excellent NT In full:
http://nottextusa.blogspot.com/2018/09/i-see-dead-people.html?m=1 … #mccann
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dml2A0kX0AELsyZ.jpg
11:15 am - 8 Sep 2018
The picture attached to the tweet above, quotes NT from his blog:
[“In Portugal after the disappearance of Madeleine, there were two ladies, so possibly holidaymakers, possibly from the ex-pat community. They have been interviewed by the PJ and given their evidence. At some point they became acquainted with Robert Murat, either because they knew him or met him during the days following Madeleine’s disappearance.
Meanwhile, the GNR had set up a ‘post’ in one of the apartments – think of it as an incident room, if you will, or a welfare hub. It’s really not important.”]
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1038507452151607304
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @SadeElisha86
A wonderful post - but would you be a luv & ask his Excellence to tone the language down as it's highly offensive to those of us with a sensitive disposition. I'd hate to have to wait the full 500 years before he regenerates as a more pleasant blogger.
12:20 pm - 8 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1038510657660964864
SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @FragrantFrog
"Those of us" ? As if love. You're happy enough to mock the dead, but take offence at a bit of wanktrumpet and pissflange? Regardless, ask yourself. I'm not your clerk. #mccann
12:33 pm - 8 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1038513250290282497
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @SadeElisha86
When have I ever mocked the dead? N'er mind. I'm sure he'll read my post. Or not. Perpetual use of gutter language will ultimately destroy any credibility he has.
12:43 pm - 8 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1038517660202528768
SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @FragrantFrog
You know exactly when you did so gtfo. Ultimately? When, dear? NT has been going strong for many years, and since the more recent light shone, has only grown interest Unlucky kentucky. #mccann
1:01 pm - 8 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1038525984063062023
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @SadeElisha86
I never mocked anyone. I pointed out it was never wise to place total faith in any trained dog or the consequences could be dire. Your hypocrisy is simply staggering. Remind us all when you switched allegiances? And you sill don't know who Phoenix is. LOL.
1:34 pm - 8 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1038528477627072514
SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @FragrantFrog
LOL you is as clueless as you've ever been. I know what I know, and Twitter knows what I want it to know about what I know (smile emoticon) As for hypocrisy, yours is about as flimsy as a flimsy birthday balloon.
1:44 pm - 8 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1038531517729976325
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @SadeElisha86
Sounds like something Baldrick would say. (laughing emoticon)
1:56 pm - 8 Sep 2018
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Frog,
Is it really important that Sade knows or gets to know who Phoenix is?
Isn’t it sufficient for you to have mentioned Phoenix and that whoever matters to have seen that you did? We think it is but then we may be wrong as you know best who you feel is to know what and what you think Twitter is to know about what people know!
And only you both know why this apparently went wrong:
https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1030209355466067968
SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
@FragrantFrog DM pls
2:47 pm - 16 Aug 2018
We have noted that you have bestowed NT the title of Excellency. This means that it seems that you are agreeing with us and have brought him up to the level of Blacksmith, your other Excellency as we said when we described the “food chain”.
Let us look at NT’s quote on Sade’s tweet:
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“In Portugal after the disappearance of Madeleine, there were two ladies, so possibly holidaymakers, possibly from the ex-pat community. They have been interviewed by the PJ and given their evidence. At some point they became acquainted with Robert Murat, either because they knew him or met him during the days following Madeleine’s disappearance.
Meanwhile, the GNR had set up a ‘post’ in one of the apartments – think of it as an incident room, if you will, or a welfare hub. It’s really not important.”
The investigation of a homicide or of an abduction in Portugal is the EXCLUSIVE responsibility of the PJ.
There was absolutely no reason for the GNR to have set up a ‘post’ in Praia da Luz. The GNR’s structure is designed to respond to any incident anywhere in Portugal, outside the jurisdiction of the PSP – the “urban” police.
The GNR doesn’t do welfare nor direct citizens to crime scenes.
This post is a complete NT invention. Another one. And who tells us that? Paulo Costa, the GNR officer. Our caps:
“Remembers however, that on a day he cannot determine which, an individual who identified himself as Robert, saying that he was translator who was in Praia da Luz helping the PJ, phoned the LAGOS POST, saying…”
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAOLO_COSTA.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P5/05_VOLUME_Va_Page_1345.jpg
So, if there was this GNR ‘post’ in Praia de Luz, why call Lagos?
Also, considering that Robert Murat was very busy translating and worried that someone was double-crossing him, how credible is it to think that he was befriending strangers?
NT and the lick-spittle gang are really desperate for Fenn and RM to be credible and making a fool of themselves in the process.
Where is the outcry in the media?
Delete“Where was the crying child heard and why didn’t the bungling PJ investigate?”
It’s clear from the context that the GNR Officer and the person interviewing him were satisfied that the woman who phoned RM had already been interviewed.
Whether the alleged call to RM ever took place is another matter.
Only there was a post, a mobile post. If you knew anything about police investigations, you'd know this is common practice.
ReplyDelete"He say he does not know Murat, and does not have the notion of having seen him before Friday 4th May at the mobile post installed at Rua Agostinho da Silva.
The first he knew about the existence of Murat was of an active individual who offered his help to translate some information/contacts with people who arrived at the mobile post, also offering to make a bridge with the OC."
"On the following day, in the morning, he remembers that Robert Murat arrived at the mobile post saying that he noticed the journalists's suspicion about him and gave his mobile number and told him that he was going to discuss this with the PJ and that he was going to have 'dinner'."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_DUARTE.htm
Will you now claim the officer was also lying, or choose instead not to publish evidence that shows you to be the liar.
You certainly won't accept you were wrong and apologise, will you.
A GNR mobile post in an apartment? A GNR mobile post is the vehicle they are using.
DeleteEven if such GNR mobile post in a apartment existed, which it didn't, why did Murat call Lagos instead of calling it there?
Which telephone number would be easier to obtain, the new mobile post at PdL, or the established, static, always there post at Lagos, who would also take any information?
DeleteA little logical thinking is required here. You should give it a go.
You brought up the GNR mobile post in an apartment, not us. Why, we haven't the faintest idea.
DeleteWe would say, as we have said, the most logical phone to use would be that of the PJ officers, which Robert Murat would have as he was then working as a translator for them.
From 2008, 2 vehicles in the summer after Maddie disappeared:
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/posto-movel-da-gnr-arranca-hoje
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO0cywCwG-w
I beg your pardon? You were the first to mention the GNR post right here. You claimed it was a lie from somewhere else. Yet, here you are saying I brought it up? Do you even know what you're writing these days? You've got lost down a rabbit hole, and have no idea how to get out.
ReplyDeleteThe invented apartment GNR ‘post’ was brought up by you in your blog and promoted by Sade as per our comment at 9 Sep 2018, 13:49:00:
Deletehttps://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1038490953991049216
SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
New comment from the excellent NT In full:
http://nottextusa.blogspot.com/2018/09/i-see-dead-people.html?m=1 … #mccann
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dml2A0kX0AELsyZ.jpg
11:15 am - 8 Sep 2018
The picture attached to the tweet above, quotes NT from his blog:
[“In Portugal after the disappearance of Madeleine, there were two ladies, so possibly holidaymakers, possibly from the ex-pat community. They have been interviewed by the PJ and given their evidence. At some point they became acquainted with Robert Murat, either because they knew him or met him during the days following Madeleine’s disappearance.
Meanwhile, the GNR had set up a ‘post’ in one of the apartments – think of it as an incident room, if you will, or a welfare hub. It’s really not important.”]
We highlighted this quote again in our comment at 9 Sep 2018, 15:17:00.
Don’t beg for our pardon.
Rabbit hole is a Ben T expression, also used by NT.
ReplyDeleteThey are scrabbling around to make sense of their defence of women coming forward with information after M went!
There is no explanation whatsoever as to why nothing was done to pursue this lead, if it had occurred after M went.
Instead, it’s about whether it would be easier to phone x rather than y or where the GNR were located.
Any women with concerns about a crying child, from an apartment in PDL only had to approach the police in the vicinity.
It makes no sense either for RM to report anything on their behalf, by phoning Lagos, rather than speaking directly to the officers he was working with in PDL.
Whatever, it’s something that can only be clarified by him and the officer he spoke to.
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1037824736959651842
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @Tealtraum @xxMichelleSxx and 3 others
We haven't been blessed with sight of CT's original testimony. Her memory recall is questionable given she placed PF's apartment on the 3rd floor & wasn't even sure if the sighting was a.m. or p.m. by May 2008.
3:07 pm - 6 Sep 2018
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared/amp
ReplyDeleteCould this be connected in any way with the call to Robert Murat?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7212180/police-investigating-madeleine-mccanns-disappearance-make-secret-trips-to-portugal/
ReplyDeleteThe Sun echoing the Daily Star article.
What is interesting about it?
That was published yesterday at 9:19 am (updated 9:43 am) and went completely unnoticed.
As we believe there are people fully dedicated to noticing what is and what isn't noticed, we would say that this article being unnoticed as it was is good news.
Off topic slightly but back to the Netflix doc with news that Jim Gamble has bn working on it is another massive indicator that it will nothing more than pro-McCann propaganda again.
ReplyDeleteQ. You've been working on a documentary series that Netflix has just finished on the Madeleine McCann case; that's going out later in the year. Do you think we'll ever know what happened there?
A. I've got to know her parents over the years. And when you see parents having to get up every day, knowing that their child is missing, with the responsibility towards their other two children - the only thing that keeps them going, in my opinion, is hope. So I'm never going to give an opinion that I think Madeleine is dead.
At the end of the day, we don't know. And I've been in this work long enough to know that many years later children are found again.
That hope fuels people's ability to put one foot in front of the other. I believe it's a case where we'll find out what happened to Madeleine in my lifetime.
I genuinely believe that.
I will always harbour the hope that it's good news.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/the-tragedy-that-saw-my-catholic-best-friend-killed-shortly-after-we-joined-the-army-the-routine-uncommon-valour-i-witnessed-in-the-ruc-and-why-i-believe-well-find-out-what-happened-to-madeleine-mccann-37298424.html
Anonymous 10 Sep 2018, 11:20:00,
DeleteThank you!
Depositing hope that the parents will keep going.
Not a word about Operation Grange. One would expect for an ex-cop to show confidence that his ex-colleagues at the Met would be successful.
He sidelines Grange to put the "burden" of finding Maddie on the resilience of her parents.
https://www.9news.com.au/2018/09/10/11/54/madeleine-mccann-funding-milestone-looms-11-years-after-girl-vanishes
ReplyDeleteNews / World
Madeleine McCann funding milestone looms, 11 years after girl vanishes
By Mark Saunokonoko
11:54am Sep 10, 2018
Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann travelled to Portugal twice last year, as they seek answers to a cold case which has baffled police.
Maddie vanished while on holiday in 2007 with her family in Praia da Luz, a coastal town popular with Britons on the Algarve.
London's Metropolitan Police purchased a total of five flights for two separate trips to Portugal, according to a Freedom of Information request lodged with Scotland Yard.
The five flights cost $2,254, with detectives spending a further $1600 on accommodation and taxis, UK media reports.
Operation Grange, which was set up in 2011 to review and investigate Madeleine's disappearance, is currently funded by the Home Office on a rolling six-month term.
Since its inception, Operation Grange has cost British tax payers more than $20 million.
It is understood Operation Grange has never formally interviewed Maddie's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, or the seven friends they were on holiday with who became known as the Tapas 7.
Mr and Mrs McCann reported Madeleine was stolen from their holiday apartment on the night of May 3, while they ate dinner at a Tapas restaurant with friends.
During the Portuguese investigation, detectives declared the McCanns arguidos – a kind of formal suspect in the Portugal's legal system.
However, 14 months after Maddie went missing, Portuguese police shelved the case and lifted the McCann's arguido status.
Mr and Mrs McCann, from Rothley in Leicestershire, strenuously deny any involvement in the disappearance of their daughter.
The couple later waged a bitter legal fight with a former lead detective on the case who wrote an explosive book theorising Maddie died in apartment 5A, the abduction was staged and her body hidden.
In March the Home Office granted a further $270,000 to Operation Grange, but that is due to expire at the end of this month.
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The values are in Australian dollars (£1 - $1.83) so the above is the echoing of the Daily Star article.
Interesting the use by Saunokonoko of the expression “funding milestone looms” with all the negative connotations it contains.
So, to recap:
1 article from the Daily Star, echoed without notice in the Sun and now from Saunokonoko’s 9news from Australia.
1 article from the Belfast Telegraph in which Jim Gamble says he trusts the parents will continue.
Not much for 1 third into September. More is to be expected.
But even this little is too much as some have said that there would be no news about Operation Grange funding:
https://twitter.com/Meadowuk/status/1037314227919302656
Lee Meadow @Meadowuk
Just for clarity - so we are in the waiting game for the next round of MET funding, now due. But we are not being subjected to the usual #mccann or MSM spill. Why? All this silence or imposed media gagging, could it mean we don't get to know!!
5:19 am - 5 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1037328843915358209
SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @Meadowuk
Home Office did say they'd no longer be confirming or denying funding. Anything that does come out, if it does, will be MSM rehash. #mccann
6:17 am - 5 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1039563433052696577
DeleteSadeElisha @SadeElisha86
"There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense." Mark Rowley, 2017.
Still applies and always will. NO confirmation from HO or Met about funding for Grange. #mccann
10:16 am - 11 Sep 2018
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Mark Rowley is from the Met. As far as we know, the Met has no authority over whatever the Home Office decides.
Unless the Home Office enjoys being misquoted and not react to the misquotes, on March this year – so after the quote above – the Home Office decided to continue funding Operation Grange:
“The Home Office has confirmed that the application from the Metropolitan Police for more money to fund Operation Grange – the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine – will be granted.
A spokesman said: ‘The Government remains committed to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
‘We have briefed the MPS that its application for Special Grant funding for Operation Grange will be granted.’
Government funding for the investigation has been agreed every six months, with £154,000 being granted from October last year until the end of March.
It is thought the latest round of funding will be as much as £150,000, the Daily Mail reported.”
https://metro.co.uk/2018/03/27/madeleine-mccann-detectives-get-funding-fund-operation-grange-7419552/
So, unless the Home Office has set a silence rule that we haven’t heard of yet over Operation Grange funding after March 27 2018, there’s nothing stopping one of their spokespeople to speak about it when they feel appropriate to do so.
https://twitter.com/Tealtraum/status/1038559873397649408
ReplyDeleteBen Salmon @Tealtraum
Replying to @zampos @FragrantFrog and 3 others
Do you [@zampos/Tony Bennett], with all sincerity, believe Madeleine appeared on literally none of the recovered May 3rd cctv, including the documented Sammy Snake walk past Luz Beach Appartments w'Cat? In it or not, caught on cctv?
3:49 pm - 8 Sep 2018
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The answer is yes, there’s no valid reason for Maddie to have appeared in any CCTV image.
In Portugal there is no street coverage by CCTV like the UK has. Why would a small, quiet place like Luz have street coverage anyway?
In Portugal there are very strict privacy laws. BY LAW, when one is being filmed in a closed circuit one has to be warned that one is being filmed. This warning is done by visible signs, most frequently stickers, being either the symbol of a camera or one saying “Smile, you’re being filmed”.
http://images.negociol.com/329052_w640_h640_placa_aviso_cftv.jpg
http://www.cnpd.cv/images/slider/Modelo%20CCVTV%20FINAL.jpg
The complexity of this question is addressed in this document:
https://www.cnpd.pt/bin/orientacoes/DEL61-2004-VIDEOVIGILANCIA.pdf
For example, it’s illegal to have CCTV in the workplace. As determined by artº 20º of law 7/2009:
“1. The employer may not use remote monitoring means in the workplace by using technological equipment for the purpose of controlling the worker's professional performance.
2. The use of equipment referred to in the previous number is lawful whenever it has the purpose of protection and the security of people and goods or when particular requirements inherent to the nature of the activity justify it.”
https://dre.pt/web/guest/legislacao-consolidada/-/lc/108165886/201710020100/73481741/diploma/indice
The number #2 is what justifies the use of CCTV in gas stations, supermarkets, hotels, ATM machines and restaurants just to name locations where one may find CCTV. However, as we said, there has to be a sign visible by all to warn they are being recorded.
Even in these locations, the cameras are not allowed to capture any public space that is not within the property that is being protected by the CCTV system.
This to say that the Estrela CCTV captured Smithman then if it did, it did so illegally.
We’re not saying that the Estrela CCTV didn’t capture Smithman but expecting it would is a wrong assumption to make. The fact they were wiped, is a strong indication that they were probably directed, illegally, at the street.
Sr Amaral regrets not having immediately ordered the gathering of CCTV images but the fact that he didn’t give is order means shows how correct we are being.
The point here is what is legal and expected and what may have happened for some reason. Sr Amaral regrets because now, knowing the images were wiped, he's certain the Estrela CCTV cameras captured the street.
If CCTV cameras captured streets legally, like they do in the UK, wouldn't that be the first priority for the police to check, like it happens in the UK? It would be and as it wasn’t, any capture of the street would have been by “accident” outside the law.
If the images existed and were illegally captured, could they be used legally? Yes, as their illegality did not supersede the interest in the uncovering of the truth and no individual rights were at stake.
For example, a crime happening in an illegally parked car, doesn’t invalidate the evidence collected in that car. The car shouldn’t have been there, but as it was, then the evidence it contained is legally valid. Same would happen with Estrela’s CCTV images.
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ReplyDeleteWhen Smithman decided to commit a crime, he waived the right to his privacy before the authorities and if the images captured the moment of crime, even though captured illegally could be used. If other citizens would appear in them, then the authorities would have to make these people unrecognisable before using the pictures.
When Sr Amaral determined the gathering of all CCTV in Luz, he was talking the many system that did exist but were directed inwards and not to the streets.
It would NOT be expected for there to be any image of Maddie captured by a CCTV. Tapas did not have such a system, nor did the crèche. The way to the beach both from apartment 5A or from the crèche are public areas and so, legally, not filmed by any CCTV.
The McCanns were not at Paraíso on the afternoon of the 3rd.
It’s quite clear that no CCTV images were retained. There were no recovered images. Why, therefore, is there a suggestion that the children’s walk past the Luz Beach apartments was recorded?
There’s no suggestion by Sr Amaral that anywhere other than the Estrela cameras recorded anything.
Not only it wouldn’t be expected for any CCTV of Maddie, as it would be illegal for that to have happened.
Woe is me no ones telling us any thing.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6153495/Hunt-Madeleine-McCann-shelved-THREE-WEEKS-fear-missing-girls-parents.html
ReplyDeleteThe ever-reliable (T)RACEY KANDOHLA: A source close to the couple from Rothley, Leicestershire, said today: 'They have been here before. They simply have no idea if the search will abruptly come to an end or will carry on. It is a daunting prospect they face once more.'
Deletehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6148611/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-secret-trips-Portugal-police-continue-hunt-missing-girl.html
ReplyDeleteThe Daily Mail has joined the Sun and 9news in echoing the '£1,240 wasted by Grange' Daily Star article.
Interesting passage in this article that is not in the others:
“A Home Office spokesman told The Metro the government 'remains committed' to the investigation after they granted it more funding earlier this year.
He said: 'The Government remains committed to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.'
But then it links to a Metro article from March this year:
https://metro.co.uk/2018/03/27/madeleine-mccann-detectives-get-funding-fund-operation-grange-7419552/
Praia da Luz has been called by one of our readers as the Village of the Damned. Because it seems to possess bizarre peculiarities. One of these was the number of men carrying little girls in their arms: Stephen Carpenter, Tannerman, Crèchedad, Dr Totman and Smithman.
ReplyDeleteWe think we should now start to call apartment 5A as the Apartment of the Wailing as it’s starting to be bizarre the number of crying incidents having been reported: Mrs Fenn, the “foreign women” and now this couple:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared/amp
Mystery couple seen going into McCanns’ flat on night before sobbing Madeleine disappeared
SCOTLAND YARD detectives are trying to find a middle-aged couple said to have entered Madeleine McCann’s holiday apartment to comfort her because she was crying, we can reveal today.
By James Murray
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, May 19, 2013
It is believed they entered the bedroom on May 2, 2007, the evening before Madeleine disappeared from the Ocean Club at Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve.
The tip-off was given by two key witnesses who were reinterviewed as part of the Yard’s two-year, £4.5million investigation.
It is already known that Pamela Fenn, who lived directly above apartment 5a, heard a child, believed to be Madeleine, crying for about an hour on the evening of May 2.
She was so concerned she rang a friend in the village to ask what to do and considered ringing Portugal’s Policia Judiciaria.
At the time, Madeleine’s mother Kate and father Gerry were dining with friends at a tapas bar some 50 yards from the apartment.
A source said: “Police were astonished when this new information came to light. Officers spoke to other key witnesses to discover more about the middle-aged couple.
“Apparently they were concerned about the crying and went to see if they could comfort the girl.”
Pamela Fenn has since died, so police have been speaking to other people who were staying in the same apartments.
Our revelation comes as Scotland Yard detectives say there are potentially 20 suspects they want to speak to. Retiring Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell, head of the Yard’s Homicide and Serious Crime Command, urged Portuguese authorities to investigate the new leads.
He said: “There are a lot of people of interest. There are people who could be properly explored further, if only to be eliminated.”
Scotland Yard officers have been interviewing witnesses here for months, although the public prosecutor in Portugal has decided against reopening the investigation.
Despite claims of a “Mexican stand off” between Portuguese police and Yard officers, the Sunday Express understands there is in fact very good co-operation between both squads.
Pedro de Carmo, deputy national leader of the PJ, said yesterday: “We still co-operate with their team. There are good communications.”
Portuguese officers are very impressed with the diligence of the Met investigation and have been impressed with their interviews with witnesses in Britain.
We can confirm that a couple staying in the same block as apartment 5a were interviewed last February.
They were in their apartment on the night Madeleine vanished. Afterwards they wrote an account of what they saw but were never formally interviewed by Portuguese detectives.
They had been at a restaurant earlier in the evening and left at about 9pm.
On their way home they walked directly past the entrance to the Ocean Club pool, where the “Tapas 7” (the name given to the friends eating with the McCanns on the night Madeleine disappeared) were enjoying the meal with Kate and Gerry.
They walked past apartment 5a but noticed nothing untoward. The woman said in her statement: “I stood on the balcony at about 9.15 with a whisky.
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ReplyDelete“I saw people eating at the tapas bar and children in the play area. We went to bed at 10pm-ish. We were woken up by our bell ringing at 11.30pm. It was a friend of the McCanns, saying that a little girl had been abducted. The friend asked if we had a computer so they could get the media involved in the search.
“Two police were on the corner of our block, one lady said that off-duty police had come and were searching. We did see single men on mobiles while we were out who could have been police.”
The couple took part in the search for Madeleine and then returned to their apartment.
The woman’s statement continues: “We walked back up towards our apartment, a group had gathered on the corner. The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g bastards have taken her’. Finally, at around 4am, we said: ‘Is it OK if we go to bed?’ We directed this comment towards a man in a white shirt and jeans, who seemed to be authoritative.”
At the couple’s home here, two Yard officers questioned them separately for three hours and got them to sign lengthy statements. They further interviewed them this year to double check their information.
The couple are key because at precisely 9.15pm on May 3, Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, said she left the tapas bar and walked past Gerry, who was talking to holidaymaker Jez Wilkins outside apartment 5a.
Neither Gerry nor Kate said they saw Jane. She reported that she had seen a man carrying a child, believed to be Madeleine, walking across the top of the road.
At the time she had not realised the significance. Officers asked the couple if they saw Jane, Gerry or Jez but they insist they did not.
The Sunday Express has visited the couple’s holiday apartment, which looks over the tapas bar. From its balcony you can see directly into the garden of apartment 5a.
The woman said: “We have one of the best views of the whole block. We are sure of the timings. If we had seen anyone we would have remembered.
“We will continue to answer the Yard’s questions. We have given our fingerprints and DNA. We were happy to assist. They should be left to get on with their inquiries.”
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Mrs Fenn allegedly heard crying on May 1.
Someone, we don’t know who, heard crying on May 2 and saw a couple, whose identity we don’t know enter the apartment supposedly reacting to this crying.
Two foreign women, on an unknown date, called Robert Murat saying a child near them. Murat then called the GNR at Lagos and no further action is reported being taken by the authorities on this nor does Robert Murat remembers to mention this when he’s heard by the PJ.
And now we have a couple jumping the wall and fence (?) on May 2 the day someone heard the one of the crying episodes from the Apartment of the Wailing:
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WHO WERE THEY?
Mystery couple ‘seen clambering over wall and fence directly behind apartment where Madeleine McCann was sleeping on night she vanished’
Brit police probed key witnesses about the information
Exclusive
By Charles Yates and Sam Christie
3rd May 2017, 2:02 pm
Updated: 4th May 2017, 7:07 pm
A MYSTERY couple were seen clambering over a wall and fence directly behind the apartment where Madeleine McCann was sleeping just moments before she went missing, it has been claimed.
The news was revealed by British police to key witnesses as they questioned them in 2015 over Maddie’s disappearance.
British holidaymakers Paul and Susan Moyes told the Sun Online how officers asked them about a mystery man and woman while questioning them about what they remembered from the night Maddie went missing on May 3, 2007.
Paul, 68, said officers asked them about the potentially explosive information two years ago – after swabbing both he and his wife for their DNA.
The retired accountant said: “The Met police came here about two years ago and both times they came into our house.
“The first time they interviewed us in separate rooms and took our DNA and that visit lasted more than an hour.
“The second visit was about three months later and lasted more than an hour and that was to pursue a lead and to make sure we were convinced on our timeline.
“The lead was that a couple had climbed over the fence and the back garden wall and they asked if that was us. It wasn’t.”
The couple said they had no idea who the mystery couple were but the information was “a few times removed” and had been spoken about in restaurants in the area.
The news comes after the Sun Online revealed how police are currently looking for a mysterious woman in purple seen by one witness hanging outside the apartment in the hours before Maddie went missing.
Paul and Susan, who still have the same apartment in the complex, also revealed to The Sun that despite having a prime view of both the tapas bar where Kate and Gerry McCann were with friends and the apartment where Maddie and her siblings were sleeping, they were never questioned by Goncalo Amaral – the cop who who lead the initial hunt for the three-year-old.
The now retired detective was removed as head of the investigation after criticising British detectives.
In July 2008, Amaral released a book called “The Truth of the Lie” which claims the McCanns faked the abduction.
Paul said: “It was not long afterwards (Maddie went missing) that the Portuguese police came into the apartment with a sniffer dog. They went round the apartment and we were not asked too many questions.
“They asked to see our passports and my thoughts at the time was that this was purely for elimination purposes.”
The couple still regularly holiday in Praia du Luz, though they are currently selling their 200,000-plus Euros apartment.
The pair purchased a villa in the resort in 2014.
Mr Moyes described Praia du Luz as idyllic and safe and his wife added: “It is paradise.”
News Flash: Kenneth Williams, Joan Sims, Sid James, discovered in bawdy archive material from an abandoned film called "Carry on up in Luz." When Brit, Michael Wright, the executive producer was asked why the film was never released, he said: "Well for some reason, we could never find a buyer. We could never make the bleddy thing stick, you know?"
ReplyDeleteA fine array of classic actors there. If the late greats couldn't make it stick, who possibly could?
DeleteThe Joker!
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ReplyDeletehttps://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/729047/Madeleine-McCann-police-search-more-funds-home-office
ReplyDeletealso in the Star....Jerry Lawton....
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ReplyDeleteFrom Justice for Madeleine FB group:
“Breaking News: Tracey Kandohla is a full blown liar.
Ok, so this may not be a huge revelation, in fact it's not a revelation at all. Tracey Kandohla - close pal to Kate McCann, and (I use the term very loosely) journalist, has a long history of printing pro McCann propaganda and, as the two usually go hand in hand, outright lies.
Her words regarding the future of Operation Grange are - as we've come to expect, no different. In an article patched together by the inept lackie, Kandohla tells us the following:
"EXCLUSIVE: Operation Grange, which has cost £11m, is set to finish this month"
What Kandohla has written, is wrong on two levels:
1. Her story wasn't an exclusive. Kandohla spoke to the home office, and was told the same as any other journalist was. That SO FAR, the home office had received no request for further funding.
2. Kandohla was given absolutely no indication that Operation Grange was to close.
In fact sources that we've spoken to, are of the opinion (nothing more), that Op Grange will submit a request for further funding, and that the request will be carefully considered.
So what exactly is Kandohla up to?
Why would this close friend of the McCanns with a history of lying for them, put out a totally baseless article, claiming as fact, something she wasn't told?
Answers on a postcard.”
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First, he discovers that we were liars after having for many years been fooled by us.
Then he discovers how wonderful NT is and becomes so close to him that he now knows who NT is although he has stated that he will give his life before revealing that secret.
This new-found but profound and sincere friendship has given him access to another marvel of the case, Blacksmith.
Now we find that he has sources who know what Operation Grange will or not do regarding the funding of Operation Grange which level of decision is not at the Home Office but at Whitehall!
Before people doubt the veracity of these sources, do consider Mr Thompson’s friendship with the know-it-all Blacksmith and with Sonia Poulton who appears to be besties with Colin Sutton.
We will give the least importance we possibly can to the unsurprising campaign that routinely appears to try and convince government to close Operation Grange because it’s wasting taxpayer’s money. A kind of “put up or shut down” message that we’ve been getting every April and September lately, and this year has been no exception.
ReplyDeleteBy giving the importance it deserves we are giving our modest contribution in dousing the effect intended by this campaign which is to stoke up public outrage against Operation Grange. The only thing that we’re wondering about is when, not if, will Colin Sutton and Sonia Poulton enter the scene this season.
Instead we will continue with details of the case that others apparently are unable – best said, unwilling – to pick up on the case.
For example, it seems no one has noticed the importance of the 2 articles we have just transcribed about the alleged crying episode that supposedly happened on May 2.
The articles being:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3429641/mystery-couple-seen-clambering-over-wall-and-fence-directly-behind-apartment-where-madeleine-mccann-was-sleeping-on-night-she-vanished/
The articles don’t say who heard the crying. One of them says that it was the reason why a couple was seen entering 5A that night but for that to be, whomever X - saw the couple enter the apartment – who we shall call witness X – had to also have heard the crying.
This May 2 crying episode alone makes one question Pamela Fenn’s account of her May 1st crying episode.
On May 2, the crying is so audible that Witness X hears it but Pamela Fenn doesn’t. Shouldn’t someone who had endured the crying of a child for 75 minutes on the previous night be at least wary of a similar occurrence happening again?
And when this crying was so audible that it made this mystery couple feel they had to act on it and so felt compelled to literally trespass a property just to soothe the wailing child but it seems that neither immediate neighbours, Fenn and Moyes, hear it.
In our opinion, it’s evident that no crying episode happened that day but it’s just another sick invention among so many in this case.
However, it is not to the crying we want to call our readers attention to. These two articles are very informative about a couple who was very near Maddie when she is alleged to have been abducted: the Moyes.
They were supposedly in the apartment 2 floors above 5A.
No question that the Moyes are the couple in both articles. In both articles it’s said they had DNA swabbed. About this swabbing we’ve already explained that unless this collection was done under Portuguese request and supervision, it has no legal value in Portugal and this is not because the results will be doubtful but because individual rights may not have been guaranteed and this would be litigated with success in a court in Portugal.
To understand the relevance of what the articles contain, let’s first get some dates straight.
It’s said the Moyes were questioned twice by OG: “The first time they interviewed us in separate rooms and took our DNA and that visit lasted more than an hour. The second visit was about three months later and lasted more than an hour and that was to pursue a lead and to make sure we were convinced on our timeline.”
The first article is dated May 19 2013 and the second May 3 2017, so more than “three months” between them.
So why the discrepancy about what OG wanted to know from them?
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ReplyDeleteIn 2013, OG was focused on knowing from them about the meeting between Jez and Gerry which Jane saw but was not seen by them: “The couple are key because at precisely 9.15pm on May 3, Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, said she left the tapas bar and walked past Gerry, who was talking to holidaymaker Jez Wilkins outside apartment 5a. Neither Gerry nor Kate said they saw Jane. She reported that she had seen a man carrying a child, believed to be Madeleine, walking across the top of the road. At the time she had not realised the significance. Officers asked the couple if they saw Jane, Gerry or Jez but they insist they did not.”
But in 2017, OG in those same questionings was instead focused on the mystery couple who supposedly entered 5A on May 2: ““The lead was that a couple had climbed over the fence and the back garden wall and they asked if that was us. It wasn’t.”
We repeat 2 questions: what fence and why this discrepancy?
And put forward a third question: why no mention of this couple in the 2013 article?
The other interesting thing other than this discrepancy is what has been pointed out by Anonymous 8 Sep 2018, 11:56:00: the absence of the Moyes in the files.
As Anonymous said “Evidence that nothing was witnessed can be as important as something.”
Unless one believes that the PJ are absolutely incompetent and that it’s certain they heard Moyes or Fenn as soon as they could. We would say immediately on the night of the 3rd and then again on May 4.
This is confirmed by the facts that the Moyes say their apartment was searched by dogs shortly after Maddie disappeared. These were not the forensic dogs but tracking dogs searching for a living child.
We expect the handler would ask the Moyes if Maddie was ever in this apartment or if they had ever seen her. It would need to be known if she’d been there innocently as if the dogs signalled it could be because of a visit by Maddie at an earlier time.
Is it credible to think that the PJ considered the Moyes’ apartment of relevance to be searched by the GNR dogs and did not consider the Moyes themselves relevant people to question?
Likewise, the same question must be asked of Pamela Fenn. If the Moyes’ apartment was searched by the GNR dogs we are certain so was Fenn’s. And she was questioned as were the Moyes.
We’re certain both Fenn and the Moyes were asked if they’d seen anything by PJ before dogs sent in.
The absence from the files of statements from Fenn or the Moyes means that they told the PJ that had seen nothing, heard nothing.
We know from the files that Pamela Fenn did hear, or so she claimed, Maddie crying so there and then she was economical with the truth. To say that one overlooks to tell the police about having heard a child crying 2 nights before from the apartment from where the child the police was asking about disappeared is absurd.
And now, and it was what we would like to highlight, we know that the Moyes did see something as well. This is what is said in the Express article:
“They had been at a restaurant earlier in the evening and left at about 9pm.
On their way home they walked directly past the entrance to the Ocean Club pool, where the “Tapas 7” (the name given to the friends eating with the McCanns on the night Madeleine disappeared) were enjoying the meal with Kate and Gerry.
They walked past apartment 5a but noticed nothing untoward. The woman said in her statement: “I stood on the balcony at about 9.15 with a whisky.
“I saw people eating at the tapas bar and children in the play area. We went to bed at 10pm-ish. We were woken up by our bell ringing at 11.30pm. It was a friend of the McCanns, saying that a little girl had been abducted. The friend asked if we had a computer so they could get the media involved in the search.
“Two police were on the corner of our block, one lady said that off-duty police had come and were searching. We did see single men on mobiles while we were out who could have been police.”
The couple took part in the search for Madeleine and then returned to their apartment.
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ReplyDeleteThe woman’s statement continues: “We walked back up towards our apartment, a group had gathered on the corner. The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g bastards have taken her’. Finally, at around 4am, we said: ‘Is it OK if we go to bed?’ We directed this comment towards a man in a white shirt and jeans, who seemed to be authoritative.”
The couple are key because at precisely 9.15pm on May 3, Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, said she left the tapas bar and walked past Gerry, who was talking to holidaymaker Jez Wilkins outside apartment 5a.
Neither Gerry nor Kate said they saw Jane. She reported that she had seen a man carrying a child, believed to be Madeleine, walking across the top of the road.
At the time she had not realised the significance. Officers asked the couple if they saw Jane, Gerry or Jez but they insist they did not.”
One MUST ask: is NOT seeing the Jez, Gerry and Jane encounter not relevant considering she was on the balcony and being observant about the surroundings?
Jez pushing a buggy up a quiet street would have certainly caught her attention but yet it doesn’t.
Also, the voices of both Gerry and Jez would have been clearly carried in the air on that quite night but yet she doesn’t hear them.
If Gerry and Jez did stop to talk under the streetlight – as per Gerry on the 2009 Mockumentary – wouldn’t both be perfectly visible to someone standing on the balcony 2 floors above 5A. looking outwards?
Isn’t this statement, together with one from Jane Tanner in which she insists that she never saw Jez and Gerry be enough to question if this meeting ever took place? We think it is.
If she had told the PJ that she had been on her balcony at 09:15 we are certain we would have a statement from the Moyes in the PJ Files.
By the way, those defending that there are Unpublished PJ Files because they are filled with secretive stuff that was so sensitive that it could not be released to the public, what possibly sensitive things could the Moyes have said?
The Moyes are not in the files because they told the PJ that they saw nothing, heard nothing.
But the importance of the Moyes in the Jez, Gerry and Jane encounter comes from NOT seeing there is something that they witnessed and failed to mention.
Isn’t the phrase “The f*****g bastards have taken her” relevant? Isn’t Kate McCann referring to those who supposedly abducted her daughter in the plural very relevant and something that would need clarification? We think it was.
Hopefully the reader can now understand why we say that what the Moyes are said to have said in this article is very relevant and that relevance has nothing to do with the alleged crying episode. To sustain that episode, the Moyes have let out that they witnessed more than they told the PJ that night.
What is said they have said has more relevance then some statements from the Tapas staff that are included in the files.
IF they had told the Portuguese what they said in the articles their statements would be in the files. But they are not, so it means they said nothing to the PJ.
Note the article says that they were not formally questioned “They were in their apartment on the night Madeleine vanished. Afterwards they wrote an account of what they saw but were never formally interviewed by Portuguese detectives” but this does not contradict them having been heard by the PJ.
The hundreds of people who when heard by the PJ said they saw and heard nothing whatsoever were not formally questioned.
The absence of statements from the Moyes – and for the same reason from Fenn – on those first days, means only that when the PJ spoke to them they said absolutely nothing. Why?
And why didn’t they notice the commotion happening 2 floors below them between “10pm-ish” and 23.30? Once they got to bed fall immediately into a deep, deep sleep?
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ReplyDeleteWe are certain that all the noise coming from below would at least cause some curiosity. And the alleged shouting from Kate would certainly have attracted their attention.
Didn’t hell break lose at around 10 pm just 2 floors below them in a very, very quiet village? Supposedly yes, but the Moyes apparently slept through it all, until they “were woken up by our bell ringing at 11.30pm. It was a friend of the McCanns, saying that a little girl had been abducted.”
Note, a friend of the McCanns and not the police and the word abducted and not missing.
Add what the Moyes are said to have said about what they witnessed – and didn’t witness – to the inexplicable discrepancy about what OG wanted from them, and the Moyes become people of interest to the case and not for the best reasons.
Interesting to note is that no one else has noticed the above about the Moyes on the internet.
But then the Moyes are guests and exposing discrepancies from guests, British immigrants and Mark Warner/Ocean Club staff which expose a collective collusion seems to be something exclusive to our blog.
This is not because we have asked for such exclusivity but because the Hall of Mirrors that the “Maddie case” is on the internet just pretends not to see.
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ReplyDeleteInteresting picture shown to us by one of our FB friends.
Really, why??
The only explanation is that they were never the ones the mentioned bowed to.
It's perfectly possible that this case will never be solved I'm afraid.
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ReplyDeleteI think its possibly known what happened, its the evidence which will never surface that prevents a resolution.
A comment we received last night in blog:
ReplyDelete“JS has left a new comment on your post "It's September 2018":
12th September 2018:
"For example, it seems no one has noticed the importance of the 2 articles we have just transcribed about the alleged crying episode that supposedly happened on May 2."
Looks like barely anyone is noticing any importance, with anything you blog about. Except of course, all the Chinese based bots (see your geographical map), you have attached to your blog which cause your readership figure to be grossly exaggerated. Oh...you thought nobody noticed? They fucking love you. I had to search back to find that particular subject, it's one of the laugh out loud topics in the more selective of anti groups. It has the heading "Why is Textusa rigging her viewing figures?" Some of the comments are real rib busters. You should see what's said about you sending unwanted gifts to female posters as well. And there was me thinking it was only Kate Mccann who was fond of earrings.
Figured out who shopped you to TB and JH yet?
So funny...
Posted by JS to Textusa at 13 Sep 2018, 00:44:00”
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No need to tell readers who wrote this. It’s quite self-evident.
About the earrings, I would sincerely like to see them. Just to see if I have good taste, that’s all.
We will be curious to see what the person you are clearly throwing under the bus and who you think has shopped me out to TB and JH will think when reading this.
That person, as well as all the middle-people who thought they could confide in you. And what that person will now think about those middle-people.
About our readership, you seem to be obsessed with it as this unpublished comment from you shows:
“Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "It's September 2018":
The visits counter means nothing. I can leave this page open in the background and use auto refresh to reload it every 10 seconds - that would give you 8640 'visits' in 24hours.
Most of the comments are from Text, who then replies to himself again. Sad.
Posted by Anonymous to Textusa at 5 Sep 2018, 09:47:00”
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Glad how you show very clearly how much you know about faking popularity of sites.
You lot have already told us that we only had 6 readers and diminishing. It’s becoming quite boring. We have even acknowledged that we were down to 2.
Glad now to know, thanks to you, that both of them are Chinese, though. Always good to know these things.
However, it seems that like yourself, they’re not good at their jobs as one would expect they should be producing, according to your math, around 17,280 hits a day and we are getting nothing like it.
But it must be said in their favour that with just them 2 we are maintaining an average slightly above the ratio of 10 comments per 37,700 members.
Oh, and thank you for promoting our blog on your tweets, any increase in readership could be down to you.
If we weren’t clear by now about how concerned we are about our popularity, let us repeat ourselves. We just want a readership of one. That of the person who has the capability to decide about this case.
This is what Ben T does to anyone who opposes him. Anybody who supports him may be afraid to desert him if he has info on them. I believe many who support him in public are scared not to.
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Replying to @zampos @xxMichelleSxx @DaveHallCoLtd
We'd love to know why you lay down a boat load of lies, attack antis from the safety net of CMoMM, perv over Isabelle, then turn up here thinking you have a devine right to answers from those you attack. If CMoMM is soooo popular, ask your questions there. We owe you nothing.
3:41 am - 13 Sep 2018
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Tells people to go on Twitter to get a “fair” fight and then when people go on Twitter he sends them back. Go figure.
Ben is unhinged; crazed and even crazier. Very, very ironic to see his words: '..Don't think you have a devine (sic) right to answers from those you attack' -- but probably lost on someone who can't understand the basics - if you insult or abuse someone, Ben, don't expect to come back through the door offering advice and expect to be greeted with open arms.
DeleteThe fear that this blog is so well respected and has so many page visits is palpable. 38000 whittled down to admin + a few remaining die hards must be a bitter pill to swallow.
ReplyDeleteExposing black hats masquerading as white hats has them on the offensive. As they say, to use a footballing parlance, the best form of defense is to attack.
Their tactics are blatantly obvious, have become tiresome and have zero effect on your loyal readership. All white noise as far as we are concerned. The path you and the sisters are taking is simply bringing it all into the open. Respect.
They’ve tried mocking, insulting, swearing and tried to show you have no readers, without you responding in the way they’d hoped you would.
ReplyDeleteThey’ve tried to provoke you to behave like them and it hasn’t worked.
Wonder what their next tactic will be?
This comment is to help people understand why Operation Grange (OG) is NOT wasting a penny when it’s continued to be funded by the Home Office.
ReplyDeleteLet’s imagine that OG is made up by officers Jones, Smith, Jenkins and Taylor.
Let’s invent numbers. Let’s suppose they each earn £10,000 a year in wages. That means the slice of for the wages of the Jones, Smith, Jenkins and Taylor of the National Budget is of £40,000.
Let’s imagine that the Home Office allocates £10,000,000 a year to the Met.
Because the wages of Jones, Smith, Jenkins and Taylor before OG came from the overall Met budget, with OG by simple math the division of the funding is then OG £40,000 and rest of the Met £960,000.
Are these officers exclusively dedicated to OG? We have seen that is not the case. These officers are investigating other cases. They are continuing to their business of the Met in the Met even though they are assigned to OG. The fact that OG is standing still, doesn’t mean that Jones, Smith, Jenkins and Taylor are doing nothing.
That means with OG, the Met has £10,000,000 (£960,00 + £40,000), to do what they have to do and that is to investigate Maddie and all other missing children as Jones, Smith, Jenkins and Taylor continue to work in the Met.
As a missing person case never closes, without OG – meaning Jones, Smith, Jenkins and Taylor no longer assigned to a specific operation – it means that the Met has £10,000,000 to do what they have to do and that is to investigate Maddie and all other missing children. Jones, Smith, Jenkins and Taylor working alongside with other officers as they were doing during OG.
The fact that OG is continued to be funded has only one effect: the political power stating that its interest in the Maddie case continues as an overtly open case.
With Grange closing, the only difference – and a very significant one – is the political power showing it concedes and it won’t reveal the truth about the case. The case will remain open but it will be ignored until it goes away from the collective mind.
So, PLEASE stop asking for Grange to close. In terms of taxpayers’ money, it literally doesn’t make a difference if it’s opened or closed. But in terms of ever the truth being known about what happened to Maddie only if it’s open will we have hope.
All those convincing you that Grange is wasting your money are doing all they can do to smother the truth. You complaining that Grange is wasting your money is playing along with their wishes. That simple.
The Battle of Giants:
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Sky News BreakingVerified account @SkyNewsBreak
Scotland Yard has asked the Home Office for another six months of funding to support its joint operation with Portuguese police in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
4:35 am - 13 Sep 2018
Versus
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7249512/madeleine-mccann-met-police-home-office-funding-search/
NO REQUEST MADE
Madeleine McCann probe blow as Home Office DENIES police have requested more cash to hunt for missing girl as funding running out
The government said it's received no formal request for more funding in the search for Maddie, who disappeared on a family holiday to Portugal in 2007
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Let’s see who wins. Quite surprising as it was said with absolute certainty that the Home Office was absolutely not commenting on the continuing of funding Operation Grange either way.
https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1040343213213536256
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#McCann Met Police Service have not to date requested further funds for Operation Grange, Minister of State (Home Office) confirms in House of Lords today. Op Grange funding set to expire end of September.
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1:55 pm - 13 Sep 2018
Picture attached to the above mail says:
“Q – Asked by Lord Black of Brentwood Asked on: 05 September 2018
Home Office HL10052
Madeleine McCann
To ask Her Majesty's Government, further to the Written Answer by Baroness Williams of Trafford on 2 May (HL7044), whether any request had been made by the Metropolitan Police Service to extend the funding for Operation Grange beyond the end of September 2018; and if so, by how much, over what further period, and for what purpose; and what has been the total spent on Operation Grange to date.
A – Answered by: Baroness Williams of Trafford Answered on: 13 September 2018
To date no request has been received from the Metropolitan Police.
Service to extend funding for Operation Grange beyond the end of September 2018. The total cost of Operation Grange is, to date, £11.6m.”
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Only time will tell.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Black,_Baron_Black_of_Brentwood
DeleteThe Lord who asked the question about OG funding.
Rebekah Brooks was a witness at his civil partnership ceremony. He also gave evidence at Leveson.
Make of that what you will.
From our FB page:
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Jill Williams
And what will be the McCann reaction if Grange close
Aileen Peebles
Jill Williams Personally or publicly....it matters not a jot, as they live with the knowledge of the lie. Its out of their hands and has been from early doors.
Maria Santos:
Jill Williams, they will say they will continue searching. And see how bearable their life can be in the UK afterwards. If unbearable, they will likely leave the UK and live somewhere else, like in Canada from where the Hubbards are.
The twins, innocent in all this, will only be just another collateral victims, like the Amaral family.
But what's that compared with the official sanctity of the hoax? Who really cares if proper justice is brought to the case when there are reputations to be upheld?
The reaction of the lick-spittle gang to the news that the Met had not yet requested funding:
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"Breaking 😃"
itsmost puzzling i would say as they both come from one Rupert Murdochs stable of media....games or what?
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#1 - https://mobile.twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1040345737215664128
ReplyDeleteMark Saunokonoko@saunokonoko
#McCann
For historical context, the following question was asked of Minister of State in April 2018 relating to current tranche of funding. Here's her reply.
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10:05 pm · 13 Sep 2018
[Picture attached to the above tweet says:
“Q – Asked by Lord Black of Brentwood Asked on: 18 April 2018
Home Office HL7044
Madeleine McCann
To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Baroness Williams of Trafford on 21 December 2017 (HL4308), whether any request was made by the Metropolitan Police Service to extend the funding for Operation Grange beyond the end of March 201 8; and if so, by how much, and over what period.
A – Answered by: Baroness Williams of Trafford Answered on: 13 September 2018
An application from the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) for further Special Grant funding for Operation Grange for 01 April — 30 September 2018 has been received. This is for an amount similar to the £154,000 granted for the period of 01 October 2017 — 31 March 2018. The MPS has been briefed that its latest application will be granted.”]
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Mark Saunokonoko@saunokonoko
#McCann
additional questions put to Minister of State re: Operation Grange in House of Lords, dates stamped top right.
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10:19 pm · 13 Sep 2018
[Picture attached to the above tweet says:
“Q – Asked by Lord Black of Brentwood Asked on: 19 December 2017
Home Office HL4308
Madeleine McCann
To ask Her Majesty's Government, further to the Written Answer by Baroness Williams of Trafford on 22 November (HL3177), whether any request has been made by the Metropolitan Police to extend the funding for Operation Grange beyond the end of March 2018.
A – Answered by: Baroness Williams of Trafford Answered on: 21 December 2017
To date no request has been received from the Metropolitan Police Service to extend funding for Operation Grange beyond the end of March 2018.”]
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ReplyDeleteMark Saunokonoko@saunokonoko
And in October 2017, another question about the duration of Operation Grange.
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10:25 pm · 13 Sep 2018
[Picture attached to the above tweet says:
“Q – Asked by Lord Black of Brentwood Asked on: 18 October 2017
Home Office HL2164
To ask Her Majesty's Government when funding for Operation Grange, investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, is due to end.
A – Answered by: Baroness Williams of Trafford Answered on: 21 December 2017
Following a recent application from the Metropolitan Police Service, the Home Office has confirmed Special Grant funding for Operation Grange until the end of March 2018.
The resources required for the investigation are reviewed regularly and careful consideration will be given to any future Special Grant funding applications from the force.”]
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Mark Saunokonoko@saunokonoko
#McCann
And in Nov 2017, Minister of State was asked how 'success' of Operation Grange would be measured.
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10:31 pm · 13 Sep 2018
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“Q – Asked by Lord Black of Brentwood Asked on: 14 November 2017
Home Office HL3177
To ask Her Majesty's Government further to the Written Answer by Baroness Williams of Trafford on 1 November (HL2164), what criteria they will use to assess the success of the special Grant funding for Operation Grange between now and the end of March 2018.
A – Answered by: Baroness Williams of Trafford Answered on: 22 November 2017
The Home Office funds the cost of Operation Grange from the Special Grant budget. Each application for Special Grant funding is measured against the published guidance available here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/police-fundingspecial-grant-guidance/special-grant-guidance. The purpose of an investigation has no bearing on the decision of whether to provide Special Grant funding or not.
The level of funding provided to the Metropolitan Police in relation to this investigation is reviewed regularly and will continue to be monitored. The Metropolitan Police keep the Home Office informed of the progress of the investigation through regular updates. These include an assessment of the need for continued funding which is linked to whether there remain continued lines of investigation to pursue.”]
The importance of Twitter Nick Townsend (TNT) / HonestBroker (HB) – part 7
ReplyDeleteWhile we wait for the decision on whether Operation Grange is continued to be funded, we should not let ourselves be distracted with things we cannot control and continue with what we can do and so we will continue to analyse some of the people who have helped shape over the years the public’s opinion on the case.
Of these, the “Importance of TNT/HB” comments have exposed in particular 2 of them NT and Blacksmith.
Of these 2 snollygosters we would like to highlight Blacksmith as until this year he has hidden from the public his true colours. About the other, NT, it must be said that only this year has he tried his hand at playing the good guy and has failed miserably.
We saw that in part 6 of the “Importance of TNT/HB” comments about the claimed by both NT and Blacksmith that NT had been targeted together with Dr Vanessa Sluming by TNT/HB, nowhere could it be found that:
- it was TNT/HB who outed Dr Vanessa Sluming’s identity and other personal data online;
- that NT was targeted together with Dr Vanessa Sluming;
- that any of Dr Vanessa Sluming’s data was sent to her workplace, Liverpool Univeristy.
All of the above was alleged to have happened by Blacksmith and NT who corroborated each other’s story.
The storyline was that TNT, NT’s “old friend”, had accused NT of being a female academic – which we would learn was Dr Vanessa Sluming – and had outed her identity and personal data and even had sent posts published by her to her workplace – which we would learn was Liverpool University.
This is why we concluded part 6 by saying “what has happened is very easy to understand: Blacksmith and NT concocted a story, based on a true story but that had no connection whatsoever with NT, to make NT appear to be a credible anti because he had been obsessively targeted by a pro, TNT, a character invented by them. Fiction piggybacking reality to sell NT as a credible anti.”
However, we now remind readers that when we finished Part 4 – at the time we hadn’t yet revealed that the academic who Blacksmith and NT were referring to was Dr Vanessa Sluming – we said “There is one indisputable reason why this woman can’t be NT.”
Today we will reveal what indisputable reason is there that makes it impossible for NT to be Dr Vanessa Sluming.
We know who exactly outed Dr Vanessa Sluming’s identity and personal data online. And we know that from Dr Sluming herself.
We were given access by a friend of hers to a private e-mail sent to this friend by Dr Sluming on Jul 22, 2012.
Dr Vanessa Sluming’s friend has authorised us to reveal the following passage from that mail:
“…I was posting anonymously – until Andy Griffin ‘outed’ me, putting my name, work address and photo online, identifying me as Photon.”
These words are from Dr Vanessa Sluming herself.
She says very clearly who published her private details online and it wasn’t TNT/HB. She also does not mention anything about any of her data having been sent to Liverpool University where she worked as a senior lecturer nor does she mention anyone else but herself being targeted: no mention of NT or of any NT’s FoamyO’Byrnes.
All we have said before has been here confirmed by Dr Vanessa Sluming herself.
(Cont)
(Cont)
ReplyDeleteDr Vanessa Sluming says very clearly that it was Andy Griffin who outed her identity as Photon. Not HonestBroker.
Andy Griffin ran the pro-forum Chaosraptors that no longer exists and was mentioned in the tweets we transcribed in part 6.
He was also known as majic.
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t7939p10-former-director-of-the-mccanns-private-company-madeleine-s-fund-promoted-to-the-cabinet
We will let readers make up their minds about what the relationship is between both Blacksmith and NT with the truth.
The question the reader may now be asking is why were we given access to a personal mail written by Dr Vanessa Sluming?
The answer is that Dr Sluming’s friend was outraged and disgusted on seeing the way Dr Vanessa Sluming’s name was being used by Blacksmith and NT.
This friend was outraged and disgusted because of the disrespect Blacksmith and NT were showing for Dr Vanessa Sluming who passed away this past May:
“Obituary: Dr Vanessa Sluming - News / News
Published:. May 16, 2018. Obituary: Dr Vanessa Sluming. The University is sad to announce the death of a member of staff, Dr Vanessa Sluming, who passed away on Thursday, 10 May. ... Vanessa Sluming was an excellent teacher and taught me physics back in…”
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2018/05/16/obituary-dr-vanessa-sluming/
This is the indisputable reason why NT cannot be Dr Vanessa Sluming.
Dr Vanessa Sluming’s friend let us have access to the mail so things could be set right, to give her have the respect she deserved to have and was being taken away by Blacksmith and NT.
We at the blog are “old-timers” on the case and when we saw both Blacksmith and NT speak about the outing of the identity of a female academic we remembered vaguely what had happened with Photon/Sluming.
But, as we said, it was just a vague memory, a vagueness that certainly Blacksmith and NT counted on when concocting this tale, as they knew it would be hard to search for information about it and so be contradicted.
In July, both Blacksmith and NT were using a deceased person’s name to pursue their agenda. And in August they, through TNT, were even mentioning her by name.
Some have shown outrage about seeing Mrs Fenn’s name being mentioned just because she is deceased:
“https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1038510657660964864
SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @FragrantFrog
"Those of us" ? As if love. You're happy enough to mock the dead, but take offence at a bit of wanktrumpet and pissflange? Regardless, ask yourself. I'm not your clerk. #mccann
12:33 pm - 8 Sep 2018”
And:
“https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1037833361723740162
Bugsy @TheBunnyReturns
Replying to @xxMichelleSxx
What sort of man must @Zampos be, to lie so blatantly about the integrity of a deceased witness, in the case of a 3 year old child's disappearance?
3:42 pm - 6 Sep 2018”
We will wait to see what the reaction of these people will be when they learn that the name of a dead woman was thrown around by their marvels in a disgusting and deceitful tale.
Could you show where Mr NT or Mr B used the name Vanessa.. Only Nicholas mentioned the name Vanessa..It's only you accusing Nicholas of being Mr NT.. How low are you going to go with this..?
Delete"wanktrumpet and pissflange" .... what utterly vile descriptions ... I'm sure the English language can provide more suitable alternatives. I can supply a Thesaurus if required.....
DeleteFrom Part 6 of “The importance of TNT/HB”:
Delete“We said we got the above from NT, Blacksmith, TNT/HB and Watcher (NT). To be specific from the following 7 statements:
#1 - “Honestbroker has spent years claiming that I am a specific named academic from Liverpool University” Watcher (NT) in The Discussion Forum (TD Forum) on Mar 30);
#2 - “The offensive posts [allegedly on the pro-forum Stop the Myths and allegedly by HonestBroker/TNT] have now been removed. Many thanks.” (Watcher (NT) in TD Forum on Mar 30);
#3 - “Hello NT. On twitter your old friend, the disgusting Townsend, whose record of stalking and falsely accusing innocent people…” (Blacksmith in NT’s blog on Jul 19);
#4 - “He [TNT] also falsely claimed that I was a specific named person and posted links to their professional profile, email address, phone number etc.” (NT in his blog on Jul 22);
#5 - “…the person he [TNT] claimed NT is was herself the subject of an absolutely scandalous stalking campaign back in 2007-9 in which an academic McCann sceptic, and a very good poster, was not just named but had her posts sent to her university on numerous occasions along with misinformation,with the sole aim of getting her shamed and sacked from her lectureship”( Blacksmith in NT’s blog on Jul 27);”
So what female academic who worked in the Liverpool University and who had her identity outed are Blacksmith and NT referring to?
They are evidently referring to Dr Vanessa Sluming.
This is confirmed by the FACT that THE alleged individual, TNT/HB, who both Blacksmith and NT state he has in the past claimed repeatedly that NT was a female academic who worked in the Liverpool University and who had her identity outed mentions the name of Dr Vanessa Sluming who worked in the Liverpool University and who had her identity outed. Again from Part 6:
“#6 - “Failed at the first hurdle (that's Sluming!)” (TNT/HB on Aug 12);
#7 - “Vanessa Sluming? (TNT on Aug 15).”
Anonymous 14 Sep 2018, 20:02:00,
DeleteThat's only offensive if us, common human beings use them.
Apparently, marvels not only are allowed to use them, as they are applauded for doing so.
It smacks of the language of degenerates to me ... that or the 6th form common room. As the user is presumably over 18 then it has to be the former.
DeleteBlacksmith may not have mentioned her name but how many other academics were outed? Who used to post in the early days?
DeleteLet Blacksmith deny that’s who he was referring to.
None of them said Nick T had got it wrong.
Why ask Jules to be the messenger?
She should ask Blacksmith to confirm or deny.
Other people who have been around for a long time will recall Vanessa Sluming’s outing and the link to Liverpool University.
DeleteShe had a big disagreement with TB over the use of a photo of the Mcs house.
I think around this time there was a split between the 3 Arguidos site and the M Foundation over the leaflet campaign in Rothley.
So Blacksmith not actually using her name was disingenuous, as longstanding followers of this story will know exactly who he was referring to.
NT's Bale2N Twitter account has been suspended.
ReplyDeleteHe gets someone from his people to complain, so no history of his tweets, making it look like it wasn’t his doing.
He has done the same with the Walkercan1000 account.
This way, any newcomer coming to look about the case – with the news about the funding there will be some – won’t be able to look at his vile tweets and so the haters will be only those attacking the McCanns.
That poor woman went through all that and stopped commenting on the case. Here you are, putting her through it all over again years later to justify a petty online spat. Give it a rest and think before someone else gets hurt.
ReplyDeleteBored To Death,
DeleteWe will leave it up to the readers to judge for themselves who brought Dr Vanessa Sluming's name back to the case after she having stopped commenting and after her death.
A lot of people who have been involved with the Maddie case from years ago and who are currently commenting and tweeting would immediately recognise the person Blacksmith was referring to.
It wasn’t necessary for them to name her and they knew it.
This is very disingenuous.
DeleteAs far as I can see the people naming this lady were you and the one you refer to as TNT.
So for you to say "The answer is that Dr Sluming’s friend was outraged and disgusted on seeing the way Dr Vanessa Sluming’s name was being used by Blacksmith and NT." is completely wrong.
I just did a search on NT's blog and I can't find a single mention of this lady. Yet you have endlessly repeated her name despite knowing she was deceased, even keeping that bit of information back, presumably to create drama.
Anonymous 15 Sep 2018, 00:03:00,
DeleteCan you please show us where we have said that either NT or Blacksmith mentioned Dr Vanessa Sluming by name?
By the way, even if he hadn’t deleted most of his posts from his blog as he usually does making it more difficult to hold him accountable for what he has said in the past, we can inform you that you won’t find any reference to her name there either.
You have only professed to finding NT’s blog recently, or at least, reading it. So your research skills are on a par with ours.
One does not need to mention a person by name to mention that person. What we have said and have shown that to be so is that when Blacksmith were mentioning an unnamed female academic who worked at Liverpool University and had her identity outed online by a pro, which they did, they were mentioning Dr Vanessa Sluming who was a female academic who worked at Liverpool University and had her identity outed online by a pro.
Only the pro was Andy Griffin and not TNT/HB as claimed by Blacksmith and NT and there was no mention of NT being targeted nor of anything having been sent to Liverpool University as they both say.
And on this, Blacksmith never mentions Liverpool University by name but is there any question that it’s this university that he’s referring to?
Blacksmith was talking to NT on NT’s blog. Neither of them questions who is the other one mentioning when it comes to the unnamed academic. In fact, they do confirm each other’s story and so show clearly that they know exactly who specifically is the female academic in question.
Likewise, Watcher/NT on October last year mentions her, in The Discussion Forum (TD Forum): “Honestbroker has spent years claiming that I am a specific named academic from Liverpool University”.
http://thediscussionforum.forumotion.com/t109-a-little-word-for-the-stop-the-myths-forum-and-whoever-moderates-it-if-anyone-is-a-member-please-forward-this-to-them
He didn’t name her but anybody who followed the case from early days knew who he was referring to. By saying “a specific named person” he is clearly saying that her name is being used. If Watcher/NT had wanted to protect her ID, he could have contacted the blog privately and asked them to remove the link to her name with his and not go about it publicly.
Both Blacksmith and NT have been around since the early days. NT writes blogs about Mr Bennett and a post from Blacksmith without insulting Tony Bennett should be regarded as incomplete.
They both must know about the split with 3 Arguidos and the involvement of Dr Vanessa Sluming.
They both frequent the DF Forum so AJS/Blacksmith will have seen Watchers/NT ref to the Uni academic. They both know exactly who they were using when they concocted their story to legitimise NT as an anti.
Not naming her is irrelevant. They both gave enough detail for many of us to know who they referred to.
Besides, they couldn’t mention her by name because even if there is little material to research there is some as we found it and people could quickly conclude that it was all invented. We didn’t need Dr Vanessa Sluming’s mail to come to that conclusion, her mail only sealed what we had concluded in part 6.
We first mentioned Dr Vanessa Sluming’s name in part 4 which we published on 30 Aug 2018, 14:46:00: “So, completely unprompted, TNT in on Aug 2018, is clearly claiming that NT is a specific person: Vanessa Sluming.”
We published part 5 on 1 Sep 2018, 12:04:00 and mentioned her again.
And again on part 6 on 6 Sep 2018, 10:59:00 was her name was mentioned.
Part 7, informing readers that she had passed away was published on 14 Sep 2018, 12:02:00.
(Cont)
(Cont)
DeleteThese are the comments we received that we did not publish about this.
After we published part 4:
#1 – “Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "The help and the tennis - comments continue VIII":
I agree; you have repeatedly demanded to know how these people know each other, how long they have known each other etc.
What's it to you? Have you any idea how creepy you sound?
Posted by Anonymous to Textusa at 30 Aug 2018, 18:11:00”
#2 – “Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "The help and the tennis - comments continue VIII":
Oh, readers know you lied; that's never been in question.
But rerally, this ridiculous ''Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy'' bullshit is beyond tedious, as is this "to be continued" shit - is that so you can go away and make up the next load of crap? If you've got something to say, spit it out and stop wasting my time.
Posted by Anonymous to Textusa at 30 Aug 2018, 18:23:00”
After we published part 5:
#3 – “Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "The help and the tennis - comments continue VIII":
As you have quoted a comment from ‘Texty’, now is probably a good time to enlighten you that ‘Texty’ is a shortened form of ‘Textuseless’, which as you might now gather, was an allusion to Textusa’s utter incompetence and ignorance of all things pertaining to this case, which has been more than amply borne out by your self-confessed ignorance of the Amazon and Discussion Forums. Keep on displaying your ignorance, it’s very entertaining!
Posted by Anonymous to Textusa at 2 Sep 2018, 00:55:00”
After we published part 6:
#4 – “Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "It's September 2018":
10/10 for your ability to endlessly trawl the internet.
0/10 for your ability to draw correct conclusions from your results!
Posted by Anonymous to Textusa at 6 Sep 2018, 14:46:00”
Nowhere in the comments above is it asked for us to not mention Dr Vanessa Sluming.
We received a comment informing us that she had passed away:
“Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "It's September 2018":
Hey Textusa, just to let you know: Dr Vanessa Sluming died in May this year.
Posted by Anonymous to Textusa at 7 Sep 2018, 10:35:00”
We didn’t publish the comment but we replied to it:
“Textusa7 Sep 2018, 11:14:00
Unpublished Anonymous at 7 Sep 2018, 10:35:00,
Thank you.
Yes, we have known for some time.
The indisputable fact that shows that NT is not Dr Vanessa Sluming, is what we are going to deal with in our next and final part of the "Importance of TNT/HB".
We are simply giving them time to react, giving them the opportunity to speak, so when later they try - as they have done about NT being Watcher (still waiting to be shown when it was...) - and tell us "we told you so months ago" we can pinpoint exactly when was it the "told you so months ago" happened.”
We remind you that we mentioned there being this indisputable reason for NT not to be Dr Vanessa Sluming in part 4 when we first mentioned her name.
You speak of us creating drama.
What then do you call concocting a story, in which they use the name – without mentioning the name itself otherwise the story would collapse – of a woman who had long stopped commenting on the case, so presumably without her consent or knowledge, and then after she passed away continur to insist on using her name – without mentioning it itself – to pursue their agenda?
We have many adjectives for it and sick is just one of them.
And so are sick the people who run errands for them and those who support them.
Either the stakes are really very high or they pay really well for such blatant shamelessness and debasing.
Textusa has RESTORED this woman's good name which has been used by a cabal of self-serving smug creeps. Thank you!
Deletehttps://twitter.com/skymartinbrunt/status/1040190436739112960
ReplyDeleteMartin Brunt@skymartinbrunt
#Madeleine Scot Yard is to continue its investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Police asking Home Office for another six months’ funding to support joint operation with Portuguese police.
3:48 am - 13 Sep 2018
Interesting picture about the suspension of the Bale2N account on Twitter:
ReplyDeletehttps://scontent.flis2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/41720914_1741612635947732_6084695634420432896_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=6cb24c7c258b25a8f468ae50bca34305&oe=5C320FB3
[Picture above says the following:
“An update on your report
Thanks again for letting us know Our investigation found that this account violated the Twitter Rules:
Michael Walker
@Bate2N
• Violating our rules against managing multiple Twitter accounts for abusive purposes
We appreciate your help in improving everyone's experience on Twitter You can learn more about reporting abusive behaviour here.”]
Then there’s this tweet which is a reply to the fact that Bale having been suspended:
https://twitter.com/hicksydan/status/1040678519536271360
Dan @hicksydan
Replying to @jules1602x
I read somewhere that they're now banning based on IP addresses. So if you'eve ever had an account closed by twitter before basically they'll find your new one and close it!
12:07 pm - 14 Sep 2018
******
The picture seems to confirm what Dan is saying.
IF that is the case, and we don’t know if it is (although we hope it is in terms of helping put an end to fake accounts), then those accusing others of having multiple sock accounts, then Twitter will be able to check that and suspend the user.
Mr Thompson and Mr Bennett have accused each other of using multiple Twitter accounts.
Maybe now both can check which one is right or wrong. Or if both are right. Or wrong.
https://twitter.com/zampos/status/1040120951755759617
ReplyDeleteAnthony Bennett @zampos
@McCannCaseTweet Can you please clarify, for the record, that you believe that the evidence shows that Madeleine #McCann died after about 6pm on 3 May 2007 & that #MartinSmith saw Gerry carrying her at about 10pm: the identical view as held by #Textusa & #PatBrown? Many thanks
11:12 pm - 12 Sep 2018
**********
Mr Bennett,
We have shown what a liar you are and we have asked you repeatedly to keep us out of your lies.
We have stated VERY CLEARLY that we believe that Smithman was carrying a LIVE child. A decoy child. Not Maddie.
You know that and yet you insist on misleading people about what our opinions of the case are. Why?
https://twitter.com/PeritaRisus/status/1040982622762090496
ReplyDeleteP_R #FBPE 🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️🌈#NHSLove @PeritaRisus
P_R #FBPE 🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️🌈#NHSLove Retweeted Canine Truth
Doesn't that expenditure extend to all areas of Operation Grange (aside from salaries) though? International liaison, travel, interdepartmental assistance etc? #McCann
P_R #FBPE 🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️🌈#NHSLove added,
https://twitter.com/K9Truth/status/1040962229221376000
8:16 am - 15 Sep 2018
[The tweet attached above is this one from K9Truth:
Canine Truth @K9Truth
Replying to @PeritaRisus
Op Grange is getting £150k every 6 months for 4 detectives. Is each officer really getting just over £6k/month to produce no results? #McCann #EasyMoney #DuluxCops
6:55 am - 15 Sep 2018]
https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1041056855668207617
SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
SadeElisha Retweeted P_R #FBPE 🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️🌈#NHSLove
DC salary ranges roughly 22-40k, DS 42-45k. Even a rough average of 30k a year leaves just over 2k a month for expenses. Who is trying to convince us this case is bankrupting the UK? The same who try to convince us the #McCann are heartbroken parents of an abducted child
SadeElisha added,
https://twitter.com/PeritaRisus/status/1040982622762090496
1:11 pm - 15 Sep 2018
*******
Interesting to see the Lick-spittle gang defending the same we do about Operation Grange.
Preparing themselves to start the wailing in case OG is indeed closed and so can say “Oh, this is NOT what I wanted, I wanted it to continue! Oh poor Maddie, poor little girl has just had justice denied... how unfair and corrupt is the UK??”
Textusa - can you clarify what you mean about the above tweets? Seems like they want OG to close, but saying/pretending the opposite to continue on as the lick-spittle group you describe?
DeleteAnonymous 16 Sep 2018, 12:04:00,
DeleteThank you for your comment.
It’s very clear that Sade is saying that OG is NOT a waste of money.
We have said that repeatedly, last time it was quite recently in our comment at 13 Sep 2018, 20:27:00. We have pleaded for people to STOP asking Grange to be closed because it is NOT a waste of money.
Sade seems to be in agreement with us.
But look at how Justice for Madeleine FB group announced the recent news about the funding.
When Sky News announced that the Met had asked for funding:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/JusticeForMadeleine/permalink/1888922411203824/
“Julie Chrimes shared a link
Admin – Thursday [13 Sep 2018] at 13.02 (public)
Breaking news... 😒 [irritated or wry emoticon]
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1040202401565868032”
And this is how it reacted when announcing that the Met had not yet asked Home Office for funding (as per our comment at 14 Sep 2018, 09:12:00:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/JusticeForMadeleine/permalink/1889404141155651/
“Sade Anslow shared a link
Admin – Thursday [13 Sep 2018] at 22.01 (public)
Breaking 😃 [laughing emoticon]
https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1040343213213536256”
Does being irritated/wry when there’s a prospect of funding and laughing when it’s known that funds haven’t been requested yet match with being convinced that Operation Grange is not a waste of money? It isn’t.
The reaction should be the opposite, like ours is. We were happy when we got to know the Met asked for funds and irritated/wry when we found out that hadn’t happened yet.
So why this agreement of the Lick-spittle gang with us all of a sudden?
Because the pretendy antis are hedging their bets in case the money DOES not come in and Operation Grange is closed without results.
Then, because they now have said that OG is NOT a waste of money, they will be able to say if it closes: “see, we were always against the closing of Grange because of it being a waste, we said it WASN’T a waste! How corrupt the UK is for having closed Grange without results! Poor, poor Maddie!”
They have done all they could to have Operation Grange closed but they want to play the hero after it closes. And with their shamelessness we have no question they will try.
Comment we have received from Sade Anslow, which we have censored:
Delete"Sade Anslow has left a new comment on your post "It's September 2018":
Agree with you all of a sudden? Show me when I have EVER held any other opinion on Grange, (censored).
I'm actually laughed at by most on Justice when I defend Grange - which is ALL THE TIME.
(censored)You think people can't see I've always championed Grange? (censored)
Posted by Sade Anslow to Textusa at 16 Sep 2018, 16:56:00"
It seems that we are wrong about Sade having previously supported OG closing. From her Twitter timeline it’s clear she hasn’t. Just 2 examples:
Deletehttps://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/992134233819934721
“SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @Ryan9jackson @theresa_may
It's a fair assessment & most who follow case are divided on this. There are strong arguments for both. But 1 important point, media want Grange shut down. Media lie & serve evil. Enough for me to say Grange goes on #McCann
1:10 pm - 3 May 2018”
https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/992114369659113474
“SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @Ryan9jackson @theresa_may
Agree it's been far too long when culprits are obvious and known to Grange. BUT I fully support Grange because I believe they are investigating the McCanns. Media makes out it's a search for Madeleine, it's not. But yes, every missing child needs same treatment #McCann
11:51 am - 3 May 2018”
When we are wrong we have no problem in recognising it.
Sade, could you then explain the laughing emoticon you put up on Justice when hearing that the Met had not yet asked for funding?
Sade,
DeleteWhile we wait for your answer, thank you for confirming that "most on Justice" are for the closure of OG.
When you can, please tell us when it was you told us that NT was Watcher months ago. We're waiting.
Another unanswered question that you have yet to answer is how by moving the Smith sighting forward one hour, does NT put Gerry further into the picture as you claimed he did.
Interesting your silence about the story concocted by NT and Blacksmith involving Dr Vanessa Sluming.
Many of those wanting to see the Mcs prosecuted regularly refer to what could be called 3 key points:
ReplyDeletea The Smiths’ sighting
b The 11 dog alerts
c The FSS report
IF
a is found to be reliable
b is found to be indicative and reliable, although not admissible as evidence
c as indicative and is accepted as capable of further testing-and further samples may be available in the Portuguese lab-
then there may be some prospect of a court case against the Mcs, and maybe others, In the absence of a confession or a body.
Then look at NT’s posts-not the re-invented NT, but the original NT, on points b and c, and see how much he supports the FSS and how much he undermines the dog alerts.
Then look at his recent posts as Watcher/NT and see how he undermines the Smith sighting timings.
No matter how the media influenced the case (which it did and continues to try and do), no matter how much their verbal and body language betrays them, no matter how contradictory are the statements of the T9, the window for a prosecution based on the weight of circumstantial evidence alone seems to have closed a long time ago.
No matter how much hate can be stirred up against them and psychological profiles can be constructed at a distance, it won’t bring about the result we want.
So, if you want a case against the Mcs to be prosecuted, it also seems best to press for the focus to be on the 3 key areas, or conversely, to undermine them for the opposite result.
People must read and come to their own conclusions about NT.
Anonymous 16 Sep 2018, 11:29:00,
DeleteThank you!
Brilliant comment! Taking it over to FB!
So readers know what Anonymous 16 Sep 2018, 11:29:00 is referring to, this is NT/Watcher’s take on the Smith sighting:
Deletehttp://thediscussionforum.forumotion.com/t107-the-smith-sighting-revisited#1571
“Did the Smiths really leave at 21.55?
(…)
However, considering that the point where they crossed paths with the ''Man carrying child'' was about five minutes after leaving Kelly's I think it is safe to hypothesize that this was unlikely to be before 22.20 at the earliest, and possibly as late as 22.35
I should also say that if the bill for the drinks was settled on departure, then the only realistic options are the ones at 22.47 or 22.53, which would raise the prospect that their timeline is out by a whole hour.”
I thought you believed that the Smiths saw Gerry McCann? Because NT's timeline destroys Gerry's alibi, or didn't you understand that?
DeleteAnonymous,16 Sep 2018, 20:15:00,
DeleteWhile we wait for Sade to answer, yes, we believe that Smithman is Gerry.
And we believe that Gerry was seen, as per their timelines that are in the PJ Files, by the Smiths just before the time the alarm was raised at 5A by Kate, 22:00,.
Please do enlighten us why would someone raise the alarm a child was missing, then carry a child through the streets of the town, when Kate was shrieking about a missing child and Sylvia Batista had even contacted George Crosland by that time.
Please do enlighten us how would Gerry’s absence would pass unnoticed while he was walking around with a dead Maddie.
By the way, how would Maddie’s body fit into this timeline? Kate raises the alarm with a dead Maddie in the apartment, raises the alarm, the T7 who are at Tapas rush to 5A – DW remains behind – and then Gerry picks up dead Maddie in front of all and walks towards the Smiths to be seen by them after 22:30?
We’ll wait for someone to tell us how pushing the Smith sighting a hour forward puts Gerry more into the picture.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2018/radio-4-presents-pearl-two-fathers-two-daughters-with-gerry-mccann
ReplyDeletehttp://d.lib.rochester.edu/teams/text/stanbury-pearl
Deletethe poem.....
A brief description from the New Yorker....
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The Strange Power of a Medieval Poem About the Death of a Child
By Josephine Livingstone
June 16, 2016
The strangeness of the medieval poem “Pearl,” now out in a new translation, magnifies its emotional power.
Courtesy The British Library Board, Cotton Nero A. X, art.3, f.42
The medieval poem “Pearl” was written by someone whose identity we do not know, and is set mostly within a dream. Neither of these facts is unusual in medieval poetry. Authorship is often unclear for works from that period, and dreams were popular as literary devices: then, as now, dreams allow poets to illustrate ideas that might otherwise be inexpressible. The “Pearl” poet used the technique to account for an experience that still seems impossible to describe—the loss of a child.
In the poem, the narrator visits the spot where a pearl once slipped from his grasp and got lost among “Gilofre, gyngure, & gromylyoune, / & pyonys powdered ay bytwene” (“ginger, gromwell, and gillyflower / with peonies scattered in between”). Swooning into unconsciousness, he comes to in a dream, in a place he has never been before, where cliffs split the sky (“ther klyfez cleven”). Across a river, he sees his pearl again, but now the “perle” is no mere thing—she is a young girl, richly arrayed in an elaborate outfit covered in pearls. Pearl also seems to be her name, or at least it is how the man addresses her: “ ‘O perle,’ quod I . . . ‘Art thou my perle?’ ” In reply, she calls him a jeweller, and he refers to her as a gem (“ ‘Jueler,’ sayde that gemme clene”).
Overcome with joy at finding his lost pearl, and unable fully to understand the complicated things she says to him, the dreamer plunges into the river to swim toward her. He is desperate to “swymme the remnaunt, thagh I ther swalte”—to swim across, or die trying. This angers the ruler of the celestial land, called the Prince: the dreamer does not belong there. He is flung out of his dream as punishment. He wakes up, and the poem ends with a short meditation on the glory of God, and then the words “Amen. Amen
https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-strange-power-of-a-medieval-poem-about-the-death-of-a-child
all above posts....
Bampots
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6173813/amp/Gerry-McCann-open-mental-health-struggles-Radio-4-interview.html
DeleteThey’re going for it big time!
To win hearts and minds by appearing human!
Food for thought, wouldn't it be just so cruel if government was to close Operation Grange and 'abandon' these parents?
DeleteBy the way, words like grief and loss suggest she’s probably dead.
If OG were to close, the Mcs want to be seen as devastated parents, let down by the government refusing to fund, so they can ask for money for their own search.
DeleteThey’re responding to claims that they’re cold-hearted people who show little normal emotion and are just money grabbers
G’s agenda is leave us alone, we’re suffering. Anybody who says bad things about us makes us ill.
Nasty bloggers and twitter users.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7273738/madeleine-mccanns-dad-to-reveal-his-painful-mental-health-struggle-11-years-after-she-vanished/
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Madeleine McCann’s dad to reveal his ‘painful’ mental health struggle 11 years after she vanished
“I decided it was a good opportunity to say something about the special bond between fathers and daughters."
Gerard du Cann
17th September 2018, 12:15 am
Updated: 17th September 2018, 10:00 am
MADELEINE McCann's father will speak about his battle with depression and grief in a candid interview on BBC Radio 4.
Gerry McCann, 50, granted the interview in order to raise awareness about mental health, and said he hoped it might lessen the taboo of males talking frankly about their emotions.
He said: “I decided it was a good opportunity to say something about the special bond between fathers and daughters, thinking that speaking openly might help other men in similar positions.
"It feels like the right time," Gerry added, according to to MailOnline.
In May both parents joined friends and well-wishers to remember their daughter on the painful 11th anniversary of her disappearance.
Kate read a poem called The Contradiction, with haunting words: “I trace your steps, I map your face. You’re all I know and so unknown. I cannot hold you, yet I do.”
Kate and Gerry vowed to never give up seeking their daughter on their eleventh Christmas without Maddie.
McCann's disappeared from her family's Portuguese holiday apartment more than a decade ago - triggering a worldwide search which has failed to find the child.
Three-year-old Maddie's whereabouts - or whether she's dead or alive - remains a mystery, despite a £12million police investigation.
Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007, when her family, from Leicestershire, were holidaying in the Algarve, Portugal.
Parents Gerry and Kate left their three children – including toddler twins Sean and Amelie – sleeping in their apartment while they dined at a tapas bar - 120 metres away.
When Kate returned to check on the kids at around 10pm that evening, she discovered that Maddie was not in her bed and was missing.
In September of that year, Gerry and Kate, both doctors, were sensationally named as ‘arguidos’ by Portuguese police.
The following summer the McCanns were cleared by investigators in Portugal who declared they had exhausted all avenues in the case.
Maddie would have turned 15 on on May 12, 2018.
In April 2012, UK cops released a computer generated image of Maddie showing what she would look like aged nine.
A number of potential leads have emerged since the little girl vanished, but none amounted to anything and no arrests have ever been made.
In May 2018, witness Jane Tanner said Gerry had played tennis with a man wrongly identified as her abductor on the day she went missing.
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This article is surprising as it has the video of the specialist trained police dogs at the end of the article.
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1041401391644729344
ReplyDeleteMadeleine CaseTweets 🌐 @McCannCaseTweet
Replying to @xxMichelleSxx @suehillofficial and 2 others
Looking through files, Ben dissected phone calls, myself being Portuguese, called the mysterious number made less than 24 hours before disappearance.. Can you imagine my shock, when I realized I was speaking to a famous Portuguese Jurist? "Yes, Gerry #McCann called me"
12:00 pm - 16 Sep 2018
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Seriously?
LOLOLOLOL
Remember us saying WHEN and not IF Colin Sutton would appear in the 2018 Grange Fall season?
ReplyDeleteHere he is right on cue. Our caps:
https://twitter.com/colinsutton/status/1041444656368762880
“Colin Sutton @colinsutton
Colin Sutton Retweeted Daily Mirror
This doesn’t represent my view at all - & is nothing like the short phone call I had with the journalist. Something I shall not be doing again. For clarity, as I told him, I believe that unless Grange is looking at lines of enquiry which it has so far ignored IT SHOULD END.
Colin Sutton added,
https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1041437320799502337
2:52 pm - 16 Sep 2018”
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As we know the line of enquiry Sutton wants for OG is them interview the McCanns, which we know would kill the case.
Basically and very unsurprising, Sutton is saying “kill Grange”. Either question the McCanns and kill the case or close OG and close the case.
Claims he was misquoted by Mirror. Not the first time he claims he was misquoted. Must be the most misquoted man in the history of British media.
If he knows he’s going to be misquoted, so why did he insist on giving another interview?
Only Sonia Poulton’s appearance is missing now.
The article Colin Sutton says he was misquoted.
Deletehttps://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-investigation-ending-would-13256126
Madeleine McCann investigation ending would be “disastrous”, says ex-Scotland Yard police chief
EXCLUSIVE: Colin Sutton says the hunt for Madeleine McCann must continue if detectives have credible lead
By Martin Fricker
22:21, 16 SEP 2018 UPDATED22:23, 16 SEP 2018
An ex-Scotland Yard police chief says the hunt for Madeleine McCann must continue if detectives have credible leads.
Colin Sutton said it would be “disastrous” if Operation Grange was shelved while there is still an ongoing investigation.
Funding for the search for Madeleine – who vanished, aged three, while the family were on holiday in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007 – is set to end next week.
Scotland Yard is in “dialogue regarding funding” but no request for extra cash has been made.
Mr Sutton, 57, is a former Met detective chief inspector who brought Milly Dowler’s killer Levi Bellfield to justice.
He said: “If the detectives feel there are leads that need investigating, then they should be given more money.
“To end the Operation Grange investigation while there is still work to be done would be disastrous. To say they are in ‘dialogue’ suggests they are still working on leads.”
Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry, from Rothley, Leics, say they have no plans to give up the hunt for their daughter, who would now be 15.
The couple may use cash from the Madeleine’s Fund to hire new private investigators to keep the search going.
Nearly £12million has been spent on Operation Grange but no firm suspects have been identified.
There have been nearly 9,000 reported sightings of Madeleine since 2007.
The Scotland Yard inquiry was set up in 2011, three years after Portuguese police ended their probe.
The Home Office gave the Met £154,000 in March to extend their work for six months.
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It seems someone played a prank on Colin Sutton.
And we believe more people will read the article than those who will read his tweet.
And Mr Thompson replies to Colin Sutton:
Deletehttps://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1041449037654892546
Bugsy @TheBunnyReturns
Replying to @colinsutton
I suspected as much. Thanks Colin.
3:09 pm - 16 Sep 2018
Games a plenty going on here,did some one try to steal GM's thunder with a story about Grange,funny how they both appeared at the same time, hmmm.
Deletehttps://twitter.com/Justice_forum/status/1041472753109483521
DeleteUK Justice Forum @Justice_forum
Daily Mirror forced to remove online article tonight after wrongly quoting former MET chief Colin Sutton. Mr Sutton later tweeted his response and added that Operation Grange should end unless Scotland Yard investigate lines which they have previously ignored.
4:43 pm - 16 Sep 2018
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So, the Mirror pulled the article because it misquoted Sutton, meaning Sutton was right when he said he was misquoted.
And what does this mean? That he wasn’t right all the other times he said he was misquoted.
He was NOT misquoted when he said Maddie is likely to be in Morocco nor was he misquoted when he said the parents had nothing to do with Maddie’s disappearance.
Do read what Sutton has said, as we showed in our post “Sutton is the name, meddling is the game” (a post that Justice for Madeleine FB group did NOT publish even though then, they, so they claim, FULLY supported us):
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2018/02/sutton-is-name-meddling-is-game.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4437410/Madeleine-McCann-Portuguese-resort-employee-disappearance.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4435038/amp/Did-Madeleine-McCann-wander-accident.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-stolen-order-just-10272346
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/608296/madeleine-mccann-maddie-sightings-africa-morocco-mauritania-people-trafficking-smuggling/amp
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590
Please note that he has a blog.
He could use that to say what he wants to say, and tell media to refer to that for information on his views. Then they have no excuse for misquoting.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6173813/Gerry-McCann-open-mental-health-struggles-Radio-4-interview.html
ReplyDeleteIt was reported on 27th March that Grange had received further funding from Home office. I remember having to wait for a long time for them to disclose that funding would be made available. This time, they are also keeping us on our toes and we haven't yet heard that they have requested funding, although Sky news did report it as breaking news on twitter (odd).
ReplyDeleteAre they playing games by keeping quiet on this. They know the public are interested but they also know that 'The other side' are also waiting to hear. They seem to be deliberately withholding on this matter... it must be for a reason... is it game playing to see what reactions are from all sides? I am hoping that this is game playing and that funds will be announced near the end of September. Whatever, it is certainly a step away from the normal 6 monthly behaviour..
https://www.rlb-law.com/briefings/mental-health-law/legal-issues-in-the-extradition-of-patients-with-mental-disorders/
ReplyDeletePosted by annieonymous on Abscam.
Is G preparing to resist extradition?
Interesting segments from above article: Mr Dewani (D), a British citizen, was arrested in the UK in connection with the murder of his wife during their honeymoon in South Africa. Although he had no history of mental illness, he began to exhibit symptoms of depression and PTSD. The South African government sought to extradite him under the Extradition Act 2003 on charges of murder, kidnapping, aggravated robbery and obstructing the administration of justice.
DeleteD contested extradition on the grounds that:
his extradition would breach his rights under Articles 2 and 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), that give protection to the individual’s right to life and against inhuman and degrading treatment, due to the prison conditions in South Africa and the risk of suicide due to his mental health problems; and
his extradition was barred by the Extradition Act 2003. The senior district judge dismissed all of D’s submissions and D’s extradition was ordered.
D appealed. The two issues on appeal were:
whether D’s mental condition and the attendant risk of suicide were such that he should not be extradited; and if so, whether the prison conditions which he would experience in South Africa would breach Articles 2 and 3 ECHR.
Unpublished Anonymous to Textusa at 17 Sep 2018, 22:49:00,
ReplyDeleteWe are certain you understand the reasons why we're not publishing your comment.
Our only comment: a bit late in the day!
What to make of the latest piece in the Sun saying the Fund could be wiped out IF McCanns have to pay Amaral, and that an ECHR hearing is expected? Mrs McFadden states the McCanns appeal was dismissed and they have already paid. However I haven't seen confirmation from PJGA. Surely they would want to broadcast such good news. I wish we knew for sure.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 18 Sep 2018, 08:52:00,
DeleteWe will answer as soon as we can.
Anonymous 18 Sep 2018, 08:52:00,
DeletePlease see our reply to you at 19 Sep 2018, 11:50:00. Apologies for being late.
Gerry's sudden wish to speak about his mental health must be for a reason...why now? What is he hoping to achieve for himself? Is he banking on no further funding and this is a step towards gaining public sympathy. Is it 'to avoid extradition' as per previous post. Is it a message to 'the other side'?
ReplyDeleteWhy the silence on funding? Is the case all tied up and no need for more funding. Is it to be archived?
Why is Radio 4 giving air time to Gerry Mc Cann when he hasn't been cleared of involvement in his daughter's disappearance?
So many questions - looking forward to enlightenment.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6178661/Public-fund-Madeline-McCann-WIPED-upcoming-court-case.html
ReplyDeleteThere is an emphasis that the fund was made of public donations - and will be wiped out if the Mc Canns have to pay following the imminent court hearing!
Is this article to garner sympathy for the Mc Canns and promote ill feeling to Amaral who would, in effect, receive the public donations?
Also, I was not aware of this court hearing - thought it was all done and dusted! Unless this is simply spin and the court hearing is not for that reason at all...
Blacksmith is just like Bennett – Part 1
ReplyDeleteAs those of us who are familiar with the case know, Blacksmith does not miss a chance to insult Mr Bennett. So it was quite interesting to find out that Blacksmith is just like the man he so likes to verbally abuse. Yes, you have read it right: Blacksmith is just like Bennett.
On 3 September 2018 at 04:50, Blacksmith has said the following in on NT’s blog:
“Just as the PJ knew she had lied about the Huelva postponement, just as they have the records of her August interviews they have the records of what was said - or unsaid - off the record on September 6.
They are all still hanging there unused but obviously available to investigators. I tried repeatedly to find out from GA about those later September 6 exchanges which his officers had briefed him about. Not a word. Nobody has ever said a word, except that they were convinced she wanted to get it all over with. That was why they were going to make her an arguido the next day.”
We reacted and said there was no such thing as an off-the record conversation in criminal investigations in Portugal.
And Blacksmith replied to this on NT’s blog:
“I posted here: “Just as the PJ knew she had lied about the Huelva postponement, just as they have the records of her August interviews they have the records of what was said - or unsaid - off the record on September 6.
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1. We know that her lawyer was in discussions with the PJ throughout the day. She pretends ignorance of what he was discussing. No record of these hours of talks has been made public by the parties. While KM quoted Abreu’s supposedly confidential words in the apartment at length subsequently, she had nothing to say about what was actually going on police HQ or who was instructing Abreu.
She writes finally: “Outside the room, Paulo Ferreira stopped me in the corridor and said in a portentous tone, ‘You must go back now and listen very carefully to your lawyer. He has something important to say to you.’”.
That conversation is not in the files but no matter. The entire section is a pack of lies, carefully setting up her “they forced a deal on me”. What did they say to you? Ask my lawyer.
The police know exactly what they said to her and her lawyer.”
Blacksmith is clearly referring to Kate’s book. About what she writes in pages 238 to 245, in which she describes that September 6 day:
“Carlos Pinto de Abreu and his assistant, Sofia, were waiting for me inside. Carlos told me he’d already had a long discussion with Luís Neves. It wasn’t looking good, he said. Not an encouraging start.
(…)
We stopped again at 7.50pm, supposedly for five minutes. I was getting tired by now and hoping it would all be finished fairly soon. No such luck. Those five minutes stretched into two and a quarter hours. Carlos had disappeared into a meeting with several of the PJ officers and I was starting to feel upset and frustrated. It had been a long day and I just wanted to be back at the villa with my family.
(…)
At last Carlos reappeared. He was shaking his head and looked anxious. I had no idea what had been going on but it was rapidly becoming clear that things were not as straightforward as I’d hoped.
(…)
I was told I would have to return at ten o’clock in the morning. Outside the room, Paulo Ferreira stopped me in the corridor and said in a portentous tone, ‘You must go back now and listen very carefully to your lawyer. He has something important to say to you.’
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Back at the villa, Carlos informed me, as Ferreira had indicated, that he needed to speak to Gerry and me in private. We sat down in the sitting room with Carlos, and Sofia, Eileen and Trisha left us to it. Carlos still looked very concerned. There was a great deal we needed to discuss, he told us. He reiterated that the situation was not good. The PJ had a lot of ‘evidence’ against us, and I was certain to be made an arguida in the morning.
First he cited video footage the police had shot of the reactions of the blood and cadaver dogs in apartment 5A and also around our hire car. I would be shown this on my return to the police station, he said. Presumably repeating what he had been told by the PJ, he explained how samples from both these sites had revealed Madeleine’s blood and one of them indicated a 15 out of 19 match with her DNA.
(…)
A witness claimed to have seen Gerry and me carrying a big black bag and acting suspiciously. This was absolute nonsense, but ‘evidence’ of this kind came down to one person’s word against another. And it appeared that, as far as the PJ were concerned, our word counted for little.
‘If you were Portuguese,’ Carlos said with an air of resignation, ‘this would be enough to put you in prison.’
(…)
Even our own lawyer appeared to think, based on what he’d been told, that the police had a good case against us. I could see by this time that Gerry was starting to crack.
Then came the best bit. Carlos announced what the police had proposed. If we, or rather I, admitted that Madeleine had died in an accident in the apartment, and confessed to having hidden and disposed of her body, the sentence I’d receive would be much more lenient: only two years, he said, as opposed to what I’d be looking at if I ended up being charged with homicide.
Pardon? I really wasn’t sure if I could possibly have heard him correctly. My incredulity turned to rage. How dare they suggest I lie? How dare they expect me to live with such a charge against my name? And even more importantly, did they really expect me to confess to a crime they had made up, to falsely claim to the whole world that my daughter was dead, when the result would be that the whole world stopped looking for her? This police tactic might have worked successfully in the past but it certainly wasn’t going to work with me. Over my dead body. ‘You need to think about it,’ Carlos insisted. ‘It would only be one of you. Gerry could go back to work.’
I was speechless.
The incentive to accept this ‘offer’ seemed to be that if we didn’t agree to it, the authorities could or would go after us for murder, and if we were found guilty, we might both receive life sentences. Was this what it came down to? Confess to this lesser charge or risk something much worse?
Gerry was distraught now. He was on his knees, sobbing, his head hung low. ‘We’re finished. Our life is over,’ he kept saying over and over again. The realization that we were at the mercy of an incomprehensible criminal justice system had hit him hard. It was excruciating to see him like this. I love him so much and he is usually so strong. I was very conscious that my response was different. Maybe I should have been on my knees, too. Why wasn’t I crying?”
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After reading this, it seems fully justified for Blacksmith to have said “We know that her lawyer was in discussions with the PJ throughout the day. She [not sure if Blacksmith here means Kate or us] pretends ignorance of what he was discussing. No record of these hours of talks has been made public by the parties. While KM quoted Abreu’s supposedly confidential words in the apartment at length subsequently, she had nothing to say about what was actually going on police HQ or who was instructing Abreu.”
Can the reader see how Blacksmith does a Bennett?
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ReplyDeleteTo understand what a Bennett is, please refer to this tweet from Mr Thomspon:
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1039212989960867841
“Bugsy @TheBunnyReturns
Replying to @zampos @xxMichelleSxx and 2 others
I'm glad you laughed, Bennett. We all did as well. #McCann
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmwGsSYX4AUAgtW.jpg
11:04 am - 10 Sep 2018”
[The picture attached to the tweet above is the following tweet:
https://twitter.com/zampos/status/975155745963565058
Anthony Bennett @zampos
Replying to @CarlaSpade
Your complete tripe about the Millennium breakfast witness is blown to bits by Kate #McCann's own words, 'madeleine', p. 55, quote: "THE FOLLOWING DAYS SETTLED INTO A SIMILAR PATTERN: WE'D HAVE BREAKFAST IN THE APARTMENT". Perhaps it's time you went and read her book, eh, Carla?
4:43 pm - 17 Mar 2018]
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Mr Bennett was scorned – correctly so, in our opinion – because he took Kate’s word as proof. He was absolutely ridiculed – correctly so. In our opinion – because he took Kate’s words as gospel, when if something should be taken as unreliable is what any of the T9 have said that may be used in their defense.
For example, there were two people, Sade Anslow and Isabelle McFadden, who reacted immediately and jumped on Mr Bennett:
https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/975163439529320449
“SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @zampos @CarlaSpade
And there are people who still don't believe @zampos is a pro. Speaks of Kate #mccann like a true #1 fan.
5:14 pm - 17 Mar 2018”
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/975366747539750912
“Madeleine CaseTweets 🌐 @McCannCaseTweet
Replying to @zampos @CarlaSpade
Wait?? What??? You think I should believe Kate #McCann ??? Such an odd thing to say
6:42 am - 18 Mar 2018”
And now Blacksmith does a Bennett. Takes Kate’s word as gospel, to be taken as proof.
He even out-Bennetts Bennett as, unlike Kate’s gospel according to Bennett about the breakfast at the Millenium that can only be cross-checked by 2 documents, the PJ Files and Kate’s book, with Kate’s gospel according to Blacksmith one can cross reference with three: the PJ Files, Kate’s book and GA’s book.
Lets’ start with the simple facts. Facts that easily and in a very straightforward manner show that what Kate says clearly does not match what is written in the PJ Files.
Let’s begin with a problem that Kate speaks of having had with the interpreter and her statement of May 4:
Kate says:
“At 2.30pm, half an hour after the interview had been due to begin, Ricardo Paiva appeared, handed me a list of interpreters and instructed me to pick one. Not only was it exasperating that this hadn’t been sorted out in advance, it also seemed pointless to ask me to make the choice. What difference did it make? I didn’t know any of them. I opted for the first name on the list. If nothing else, she was local to Portimão and I didn’t want to have to wait hours for one of the others to arrive from Lisbon or wherever.
Accompanied by Carlos, Sofia and the interpreter – who turned out to be a lady in her sixties or thereabouts, originally from Mozambique – I finally went in for my interview at 2.55pm. There were three PJ officers in the room. João Carlos and Ricardo Paiva were joined by Paulo Ferreira, a man I’d never met before. João Carlos asked most of the questions, all of which I answered in as much detail as I could. He started with the Tuesday night of our holiday week, moving on to the Wednesday and then the terrible Thursday. At one point early on, something was read out from my initial statement, given on 4 May. It wasn’t quite accurate and I explained to the officer that the original meaning seemed to have been lost slightly in translation.
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ReplyDeleteTo my astonishment, the interpreter became quite angry and suddenly interrupted, ‘What are you saying? That we interpreters can’t do our job? The interpreter will only have translated what you told her!’ I was staggered. Quite apart from the fact that in this instance she was wrong – this definitely wasn’t what I’d said – surely an interpreter is there to interpret, not to interfere in the process? My trust in her took a dive.”
The files say:
“That being of British nationality she doesn’t know the Portuguese language, in its spoken and written form, so was present a translator pointed out by the assistant [Kate McCann – we will later deal with this assistant legal status] from the list provided by the Consulate, Armanda Duarte Salbany Russell, contactable by the phone 282XXXX.
(…)
That she [Kate McCann] confirms totally the content of her statement given to this police on May 04 2007, the day after the facts under investigation.”
We have seen how Robert Murat has corrected his statements, which he was entitled to do. Kate McCann is with her lawyer next to her. Her book says that she contests, or wishes to correct something about what she had said on May 4 but the PJ Files contradict this.
Would her lawyer concede to a correction not being made just because the translator got angry? Would anyone, literally anyone, concede to a correction not being made just because the translator got angry? Of course not. That’s why at the end the statement is read back and signed. One only puts one’s signature to what one agrees with and Kate has signed that she totally confirmed what she said on May 4.
And who says the translator got angry? Just Kate McCann. Is this believable? In our opinion, absolutely not.
Then Kate speaks of a witness having said something false:
“A witness claimed to have seen Gerry and me carrying a big black bag and acting suspiciously. This was absolute nonsense, but ‘evidence’ of this kind came down to one person’s word against another. And it appeared that, as far as the PJ were concerned, our word counted for little.”
What witness? The files don’t speak of such a witness in this statement, so where does this witness appear from? We would say out of Kate McCann’s imagination.
Then there is what Kate had to say about when the breaks happened during the questioning.
Kate says “At 2.30pm, half an hour after the interview had been due to begin, Ricardo Paiva appeared, handed me a list of interpreters and instructed me to pick one.”
The PJ Files say that the questioning started at 15:00. We believe there may have been a delay of an hour because of the assistant legal status which we will deal with on a different occasion.
Kate says: “At 5pm, we had a fifteen-minute break, which I spent standing in the corridor outside the interrogation room. Carlos came over and told me not to be so definite in some of my answers. He was referring, apparently, to a couple of claims by witnesses put to me by the questioning officer: allegations that they had seen Gerry or me doing this or that. As these claims were untrue, I had said so. I couldn’t understand why, as long as I was certain a statement was wrong, I shouldn’t refute it. Although Carlos’s stance bothered me, I tried to take his guidance on board. But it did rather undermine my confidence.”
For once, Kate seems to tell the truth about the hour this break happened and how long it lasted as the files say “At 17H00 the statement [o auto] was interrupted for a rest, having been retaken at 17H15”.
About the conversation between her and her lawyer we very much doubt it happened. We will deal with this when we speak of the assistant legal status but can say right now that a lawyer does not need a break to meet privately with his client during questioning, as he can ask for that to happen during it. The breaks are meant to allow the participants to relax and smoke a cigarette or have a coffee and not for legal consultancy.
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ReplyDeleteKate says: “We stopped again at 7.50pm, supposedly for five minutes. I was getting tired by now and hoping it would all be finished fairly soon. No such luck. Those five minutes stretched into two and a quarter hours. Carlos had disappeared into a meeting with several of the PJ officers and I was starting to feel upset and frustrated.”
The PJ Files say: “At 20H00 the current statement [o presente auto] was interrupted for a brief rest and meal, which was retaken at 22H00.”
If the 17:00 break lasted 15 minutes, why on earth would this one at 20:00 last only 5? The Portuguese have dinner at around 20:00, so this break was clearly for dinner, and we are certain that a 2-hour break was set, meaning that it didn’t start at 22:00 by chance but because it was set that it would be so at the beginning of the break.
Note, Kate says it lasted 2H15 when it lasted 15 minutes less and implies it was because her lawyer met “off-the-record” with the police. As we will explain when we deal with the legal status of assistant that Kate had during this questioning such meetings between layers and police officers don’t happen as they legally have no effect. Note, this lack of effect has nothing to do with the assistant status as the same applies with the arguido status. It doesn’t apply with witnesses as they are not allowed to have lawyers during questioning.
Kate says “It was 12.40am by the time the interview – and the attendant rigmarole of having it translated into Portuguese and then read back to me in English by the interpreter – was over. I was told I would have to return at ten o’clock in the morning.”
The files say “At this moment, and due to the late hour, 23H00, the current statement was interrupted which will be retaken on the following day in the morning”
Quite the difference. Of 1H40 between what Kate says and what the PJ Files show happened.
But of this, we would like to point out that unless conversations happened before the questioning (which we will explain why they didn’t and show they didn’t) and unless the PJ officers decided not to have dinner, there was no conversation between Kate’s lawyer and the PJ Officers, the “Off-the-record” ones that Blacksmith states happened.
The last factual contradiction that we want to point out, is where Kate says this: “I left the station with Trish, Carlos and Sofia a little after 1am. The lateness of the hour had not deterred the hundreds of cameramen and spectators waiting to gawp at me as I emerged, exhausted, from the main door to the now familiar rapid clicking and whirring of the cameras, squinting into the dark against the incandescent flashbulbs. Was this real? Was this actually my life? Carlos gave a statement to the crowd. It was in Portuguese, so I cannot tell you what he said, except that my status remained that of witness.”
The Files state very clearly that Kate was at that questioning under the legal status of assistant. We will explain later what this means but if the reader wishes to read ahead, this status is defined in the articles 68º, 69º and 70º of Portuguese Penal Process Code.
Another legal status that doesn’t exist in the British Justice System. Just another thing to show the sheer arrogant ignorance shown by those claiming that a questioning in the UK would have legal value in Portugal.
We have shown it wouldn’t and we have shown it would kill the case because technically, or legally, it would make the case invalid for prosecution in Portugal and it would be impossible politically to prosecute it in the UK.
As the reader can see, just from a first approach to the subject, and even without getting into its complexities – which we will – it can be seen that Kate’s words are not even a near match with the truth.
However, Blacksmith abides by them and tells us to believe in Kate as the proof there were “off-the-record” conversations between Kate’s lawyer and the PJ.
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ReplyDeleteIt’s really a case to say “Wait?? What??? You think I should believe Kate #McCann ??? Such an odd thing to say” and replacing @zampos with Blacksmith, “And there are people who still don't believe Blacksmith is a pro. Speaks of Kate #mccann like a true #1 fan”
And some go as far as to say that what Kate has said are facts:
https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1041955522860253185
“SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @HumptyPogle @TheBunnyReturns @jules1602x
Blacksmith provides sources for all facts he states. The rest, any opinion, he's as entitled to as anyone else. What's the link to your blog, so we can see your informed opinion on the case?
12:42 am - 18 Sep 2018”
Strange demand from someone who has no blog that she can link.
For the exact same thing, Bennett gets laughed and Blacksmith gets applauded. Not surprising when one knows how shamelessly duplicitous those involved are.
As can be seen, this will be a multi-part comment. Much like “The importance of Twitter-Nick-Townsend (TNT)/Honestbroker (HB).
These “Blacksmith is just like Bennett” comments are meant to continue to prove how questioning the McCanns in the UK without the request and supervision of the PJ would kill the case, an issue that we put on hold a few months ago as our readers know.
A very important aspect to this case, why there has always been a reason for the Met to be prevented from interviewing the McCanns as it would jeopardise completely any prosecution in Portugal.
To be continued.
Interesting tweet exchange under the topic “Blacksmith”.
DeleteIt starts with a tweet from Jules which we won’t publish here, promoting Blacksmith’s new blog (which turns out to be him pulling up something he«s already written in April, it’s like he’s working in a fish and chipper, re-heating the food…), to which HumptyPogle replied:
https://mobile.twitter.com/HumptyPogle/status/1041799768551436288
A Horse Offcourse @HumptyPogle
Replying to @jules1602x
Jesus wept that blacksmith still peddling his old shit. He had em banged up 10 yrs ago ! Has he even still got a cult following always about him. Old nag can’t shoe a horse got sussed years ago.
2:11 pm - 17 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1041797998919991296
Jules... 🐶 🌸 🐘 🌸 🦁 🌸 @jules1602x
Replying to @HumptyPogle
Mr Blacksmith has an enormous fan club.. Why would one want to shoe a horse when one can drive... #McCann
2:16 pm - 17 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/HumptyPogle/status/1041799768551436288
A Horse Offcourse @HumptyPogle
Replying to @jules1602x
He was outed 10 years ago as a failed journalist with a grudge against clarence mitchell cos he got the sack from the sun for being a drunk. Every prediction failed but Hay Ho tally ho
2:23 pm - 17 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1041800479636905992
Jules... 🐶 🌸 🐘 🌸 🦁 🌸 @jules1602x
Replying to @HumptyPogle
Have a great evening now you've got that off your chest... Bye now....
2:26 pm - 17 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1041804358764163072
SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @HumptyPogle @jules1602x
Why change your name? To slate Blacksmith or some other reason?
2:41 pm - 17 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/HumptyPogle/status/1041805123004129281
A Horse Offcourse @HumptyPogle
Replying to @jules1602x @TheBunnyReturns
Works off his lap top in East Sheen Ave wi fi cafe with the other failed jurno’s,convenient memories his little cult forget he told us it was all wrapped up in 09. Went off the radar for a few months and come back like Lazarus. Been 15 years folks
2:44 pm - 17 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/HumptyPogle/status/1041806952140075009
A Horse Offcourse @HumptyPogle
Replying to @SadeElisha86 @jules1602x
Case againse McCanns is coming to a head. Drink in the smokey bars,all but done,keep guessing,i’ll give you clues soon.
2:51 pm - 17 Sep 2018
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Deletehttps://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1041809260009676800
SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @HumptyPogle @jules1602x
Keep guessing? Think highly of yourself don't you lol. It was a rhetorical pal.
3:00 pm - 17 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/HumptyPogle/status/1041814531947802630
A Horse Offcourse @HumptyPogle
Replying to @SadeElisha86 @jules1602x
Mitchell sent ‘Blacksmith’ into the forums 08 to divide/disrupt.PJ/SY got close building case 09. Blacksmith wanted more,fell out/drunk,no http://trust.Got stupid case gone 11 years of waste.
3:21 pm - 17 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/SadeElisha86/status/1041815566787534849
SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @HumptyPogle @jules1602x
Righto 😃
3:26 pm - 17 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/HumptyPogle/status/1041816984839745539
A Horse Offcourse @HumptyPogle
Replying to @SadeElisha86 @jules1602x
Colin Sutton had the score 2010 went to rest. SY in PdL now closing books all done soon.
3:31 pm - 17 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1041885902832893953
Bugsy @TheBunnyReturns
Replying to @HumptyPogle @SadeElisha86 @jules1602x
Complete and utter twaddle. If you had any sort of evidence to back this up, you wouldn't be sat hiding behind anonymity and talking in riddles. There's an old saying "put up, or shut up". Nobody cares about clues as to who you are.
8:05 pm - 17 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/HumptyPogle/status/1041948562257584129
SadeElisha @SadeElisha86
Replying to @HumptyPogle @TheBunnyReturns @jules1602x
Blacksmith provides sources for all facts he states. The rest, any opinion, he's as entitled to as anyone else. What's the link to your blog, so we can see your informed opinion on the case?
12:42 am - 18 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/HumptyPogle/status/1041974558532747264
A Horse Offcourse @HumptyPogle
Replying to @SadeElisha86 @TheBunnyReturns @jules1602x
He was put on the forums by Mitchell to control the media,divide/disrupt.Posters on 3A’s getting close,spudgun,tripz (pj still believe the buoy).Fell off wagon again in 10,off payroll but continued renegade,worked a treat took attention away.
1:57 am - 18 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1041976411500818432
Bugsy @TheBunnyReturns
Replying to @HumptyPogle @SadeElisha86 @jules1602x
Again. That's just your word. You claimed he was sacked from The Sun for being drunk. If that's true, then it should be easy to prove. You also said he had a vendetta against Mitchell, but then went on to work for him? His blogs slate Mitchell, so unless I see more evidence...
2:05 am - 18 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/HumptyPogle/status/1041998779107430400
A Horse Offcourse @HumptyPogle
Replying to @TheBunnyReturns @SadeElisha86 @jules1602x
I don’t have to prove anything neither does blacksmith all his ‘predictions’ at the time he ‘wooshed’ his blogs,some kept screen shots. Believe what you like.Even a broken clock is right twice a day,11 years ask ‘the men in black’.
3:34 am - 18 Sep 2018
From the reporter who showed us that at the time Sky News reported the Met had requested funds, it hadn’t yet. Let’s continue and wait to see what happens.
ReplyDeletehttps://amp.9news.com.au/article/649215c6-7624-41d6-b6ff-2ec40f2bc92c
Madeleine McCann cops will 'request more money' before Operation Grange deadline expires
By Mark Saunokonoko - 10 hours ago
Nine.com.au understands Scotland Yard detectives investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance are about to request further funds from the UK's Home Office to keep the world's most famous missing person's case alive.
Operation Grange, launched in 2011 to review and investigate how Maddie mysteriously vanished in Portugal, has so far cost British taxpayers £11.6 million ($21.2 million).
Funding of Operation Grange is due to expire at the end of September, leading to increased speculation British detectives could finally be about to close their investigation.
When contacted by nine.com.au, a Home Office spokesperson said: "To date no request has been received from the Metropolitan Police Service to extend funding for Operation Grange beyond the end of September 2018."
However, nine.com.au understands Scotland Yard will formally seek funding in the next fortnight, and that the Home Office is set to accept that request.
Over the past week, as the deadline draws nearer, confusion has reigned over the future of Scotland Yard's investigation.
Contrasting stories in the media claimed Metropolitan Police Service had already asked for further funding, or that Operation Grange was about to shut down.
Last week the Minister of State at the Home Office, Susan Williams, told the House of Lords that Operation Grange had to date not requested more cash.
Over the past two years, Operation Grange has been given six-monthly instalments of around £150,000 to remain operational.
In 2015 Operation Grange was cut from 29 to four detectives.
Madeleine was reported missing from her family's holiday apartment in May 2007, while with her parents, Kate and Gerry, in the resort town of Praia da Luz.
Mr and Mrs McCann were named formal suspects during the investigation after specialist sniffer dogs from Britain made a number of alerts in the apartment, a rental car and on Kate's clothing.
But DNA results came back inconclusive and the case was shelved 14-months after Maddie vanished in August 2008.
Mr and Mrs McCann deny any involvement in their daughter's disappearance, and claim she was abducted by a pedophile.
The McCann's media spokesman did not respond to questions about the looming deadline of Operation Grange.
NT/Walker/Bale is back
ReplyDeletehttps://mobile.twitter.com/MWalkerbum
Entirely predictable.
He was quite happy to have his previous tweets hidden from sight.
Very interesting comment on FB, in support of NT:
ReplyDelete“Ben Salmon: Although I don't comment on the blog for reasons NT knows, I'm fully behind you - your dissection of Kate's book is brilliant, and I do have a chuckle at certain other posts...you've also increased my insult vocabulary tenfold!”
Ben Salmon is @Tealtrum on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/Tealtraum/
Disregarding the fact that these people think insults are commendable and not even wondering what the reasons are (note plural), what is important to note is that we’re slowly becoming aware that these people have known each other for a long time, they talk off-line to each other, they are like a family.
A family with an agenda: to make the McCanns hated as much as possible but do all in their power to stop the truth being known about why an abduction was faked to cover-up Maddie’s death.
Amaral and his family? They are just collateral damage and he should have wised up anyway.
We know that we are outnumbered on the internet. But then, aren’t the victories when the odds are stacked against us that make us feel pride the most?
We continue to guide our actions by the 2 phrases that we have on the blog’s front page from Ghandi:
“Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth, for being correct, for being you.
Never apologize for being correct or being years ahead of your time.
If you’re right and you know it, speak your mind. Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth.”
Both Bens supported Malinka.
DeleteSo did McF.
Their gang links becoming clearer but they don’t seem to care.
Anonymous 18 Sep 2018, 14:30:00,
DeleteAgree. They have now become brazen. Adding NT as an admin to Justice for Madeleine FB group shows clearly that they have stopped caring to hide their connections.
A group that if memory that boasted having more than 38,000 at the start of 2018.
Their numbers are dwindling. If one is a member, it now shows that the group has 37,723 members. If one is not a member it is only shown to have 37,282.
This year alone, 1096 members were added to the group. From Jodie Ann Melissa Jones to Andy Kilday, the last we looked. That averages 127 members a month.
By simple math they were supposed to have over 39,000 but people are leaving faster than they can add them.
Members joining a group in which they don’t comment. A group that one doesn’t need to join to read their posts as they are public.
It’s quite entertaining to see the membership steadily decrease while they keep adding on members. One thing is certain, each person leaving is a person leaving while no people enter with fake profiles.
With Trump and Brexit, governments are now taking very seriously this threat of “fake internet footprint”. This means that the analysis to determine if the popularity of a site is genuine or fake is now done by the government intelligence agencies.
So, if we believe that the decision for the case is at government level, it’s basically the same to have the membership of 50,000 or 5 fake profiles. It fools no one, much less those who matter.
You are doing great work, Textusa. Keep shining a light into the darkness. We support you 100%
ReplyDeleteThere is a common thread for this gang....promoting notextusa blog. Though NT is a relativley recent phenomonen , the signs have always been there....its too long.....too complicated...too boring....dont understand it....and on and on...everyone must know someone who has moaned about this blog in the past!
ReplyDeleteAgree totally. For at least 6 years I have watched a long , sustained campaign to pour scorn on this blog -across at least 2 forums that I've been in. They used to be waiting on a Friday morning at 9am to make disparaging remarks to anyone that dared promote it ...
DeleteI note that Bunny Returns opines that G McCann is going for the sympathy vote from the ECHR with his mental health interview. Bunny previously said there was no ECHR case, in line with his friend McFadden's claim that the case had been rejected and the McCanns had paid theirs and GA's court fees. These people need longer memories, but sadly truth doesn't seem to be valued on McCann hashtag, so maybe it doesn't matter.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 19 Sep 2018, 08:56:00,
DeletePlease see page 13 of this useful doc about appearing in person.
https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Guide_ECHR_lawyers_ENG.pdf
Rarely happens. So, all talk on twitter or wherever about Gerry using mental health issues in defence is nonsense.
Decisions normally made on paperwork.
Hearings are public and we doubt even if it ever reached court, and it hasn’t so far, that McCanns would opt for a public hearing.
We would like to add that it would also be too late to include Gerry’s radio programme anyway.
DeleteUnpublished Anonymous at 19 Sep 2018, 11:22:00, or Mr Thompson,
ReplyDeleteAren't 37,722 Justice for Madeleine members (one less than the last time we looked although 8 new members joined after Andy Kilday)enough to promote your blog without you attempting to promote it here?
Has to be done here to try and reach the masses. If done via FB or twitter will only be reaching the same dozen or so people!
DeleteAnonymous 18 Sep 2018, 08:52:00,
ReplyDeleteWe imagine you are referring to these articles:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7281872/madeline-mcann-fund-750k-case/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6178661/Public-fund-Madeline-McCann-WIPED-upcoming-court-case.html
The Sun article – the original as the Daily Mail one is just echoing this one – was written by Nick Pisa. That tells us that it is from the people who want to close Operation Grange.
There’s no “huge pay payout to a disgraced cop”, so, if that’s the reason they needn’t worry about “fighting to avoid paying £750,000 to the ex-detective who shamefully claimed they were responsible for her death.”
Back in 2014 we wrote the post called “Losing v Not Winning” where we explained that Mr Amaral couldn’t possibly win anything legally, his victory would be to not lose.
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2014/09/losing-v-not-winning.html
Means, as we have said repeatedly in the past, that the McCanns owe him nothing. However, the fact the McCanns did not win, means that they have had to pay the court costs to the Portuguese state plus Mr Amaral’s legal costs.
Do people remember that the figure thrown around then was around £400,000? Then we thought that a quarter of that number would be an exaggerated one so seeing £750,000 just made us laugh.
Talking about numbers, now the fund has supposedly £728,508. We won’t be surprised that if in 3 months’ time it will have £385, 629 or even £824,981. Where did we get these numbers from? Our imagination as that seems to be the only criteria which has been used by the media whenever they refer to the amount the fund currently has.
It’s been over a year since the case has been definitely closed in Portugal. So, unless the McCann legal team filed a complaint against the invoice presented, the court costs have been paid by now.
Also, do people remember that they said they submitted the process in July last year? It was in the media. At the end of last year we showed that nothing showed up on the ECHR’s website. Still doesn’t.
They are not due in court, it is not an appeal, they can’t reverse to SCJ decision. They must pay the money whatever. Their application doesn’t halt or delay any decision made by the Portuguese Supreme Court.
The EHCR Court does not act as a court of appeal in relation to national courts, it does not rehear cases, it cannot quash, vary or revise their decisions.
Any process would be against the State of Portugal and not against Mr Amaral.
And judging from readers’ comments on the Mail article, nobody cares and majority are appalled that McCanns are using Maddie fund to fight legal battles. The hatred campaign is running smoothly.
So, bottom line, what is the Sun article saying? It’s saying that the McCanns are about to not have any money.
What does that mean? It means that, in case Operation Grange closes, they won’t be able to continue to search for Maddie.
That’s what the article is saying objectively. All the rest is decoration around this idea.
Now, that could have 2 interpretations. One would be please don’t close Operation Grange because the McCanns won’t be able to continue, and so if you close it, you will be abandoning poor Maddie.
The other would be, when you close Operation Grange, as the McCanns will have no money, that will be the end of Maddie, no more hearing about her on the news, it will be over and silenced and will slowly stop being a nightmare for this country until it stops being one at all.
The article was written by Nick Pisa, so you know which one of the 2 we think it is the message intended to be conveyed.
Bringing articles over to the blog:
Deletehttps://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7281872/madeline-mcann-fund-750k-case/
MADDIE HUNT CRISIS
Fund to find Madeline could be wiped out if McCanns lose £750k case against cop who claimed they were responsible for daughter’s death
Goncalo Amaral, 58, claimed in a book that Madeleine died in Portugal aged three and her parents Kate and Gerry McCann covered it up
Exclusive
By Nick Pisa
17th September 2018, 10:40 pm
Updated: 18th September 2018, 8:53 am
A FUND set up to help find Madeleine McCann could be wiped out within weeks — by a huge payout to a disgraced cop.
Parents Kate and Gerry are fighting to avoid paying £750,000 to the ex-detective who shamefully claimed they were responsible for her death.
They face a Euro court showdown as public cash to probe the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine is about to dry up.
Goncalo Amaral, 58, ludicrously claimed in a book that Madeleine, three, died in Portugal and that her parents covered it up.
Kate and Gerry, both 50, won a 2015 libel case against him but it was later overturned and Amaral was awarded compo.
The McCanns’ lawyers have now lodged final paperwork at the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, with a hearing expected this year.
Amaral shamelessly repeated his allegations last week in a glossy magazine interview — and even claimed: “My family has suffered a lot.”
A source close to the McCanns said: “It seems you can say anything you like about someone in Portugal, no matter how awful, and get away with it.
“If the European Court rules against them the trustees will decide on how best to make any payments.
"It would be a blow but Kate and Gerry would keep their heads up and carry on searching.”
The Met Police said last week it was “in dialogue” over extra funding for its investigation which has so far cost £11million.
"But public cash is expected to dry up in a fortnight.
The latest figures show £728,508 is in Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned — mostly from public donations.
That could all go if the decision to award Amaral £430,000 is upheld — with the McCanns paying costs on top.
It is thought the family have drawn on the fund to pay for previous hearings.
No significant clues have so far been thrown up in the search for Madeleine.
Retired Det Chief Insp Mick Neville, who last year investigated the case, said: “It is tragic that funds to try to find her could be lost because of this legal action.
"There is every reason to believe she may be alive.”
The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer Isabel Duarte said: “This will be our final appeal.
"The basis is the violation of my clients’ fundamental rights.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6178661/Public-fund-Madeline-McCann-WIPED-upcoming-court-case.html
DeletePublic fund to find Madeleine McCann could be WIPED OUT if Kate and Gerry are forced to pay £750,000 to detective who claimed they covered up her death in upcoming court case
Kate and Gerry sued Goncalo Amaral for claims he made about Madeleine
Ex-detective Goncalo Amaral said they covered up their daughter's death
If they lose court case set to start in a few weeks they will have to pay £750,000
This sum of money would completely wipe out the public fund to find Madeleine
By Charlotte Dean For Mailonline
Published: 01:53 BST, 18 September 2018 | Updated: 11:13 BST, 18 September 2018
A fund set up to help find Madeleine McCann could be wiped out if her parents lose a court case which is due to start in the next few weeks.
Kate and Gerry McCann are returning to court to fight against the ex-detective who claimed they were responsible for Madeleine's death.
If they lose the case the pair will be forced to pay Goncalo Amaral £750,000, after he made a bid to sue them for compensation.
The couple will face Amaral in the European Court, as public money which was funding the search for Madeleine is about to dry up.
Amaral, who wrote The Truth About The Lie concerning Madeleine's disappearance, claimed in the book that Kate and Gerry covered up her death in Portugal.
Following the claims the McCanns' pursued a libel case against him in 2015 and won, however it was later overturned and Amaral was given compensation.
A hearing is expecting this year after Amaral decided to sue the McCanns when their libel case was overturned.
A legal representative for the McCanns lodged the final paperwork at the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg.
Amaral recently claimed that his family has 'suffered' a lot from the ordeal, ahead of his court date.
A source told the Sun: 'It seems you can say anything you like about someone in Portugal, no matter how awful, and get away with it.
'If the European Court rules against them the trustees will decide on how best to make any payments.
'It would be a blow but Kate and Gerry would keep their heads up and carry on searching.'
There is currently ongoing discusses over extra funding for the continued search of Madeleine, according to the Met Police.
However public cash is expected to dry up in a fortnight, reports the Sun.
Figures show that they is £728,508 left in the pot used to fund the search for Madeleine, which is mostly made up of public donations.
However it could be completely wiped out if the decision stands to award Amaral £430,000 as well as paying costs on top.
It is believed that Kate and Gerry have had to take money from the fund in the past to cover costs of previous hearings.
Retired Det Chief Insp Mick Neville, who last year investigated the case, said: 'It is tragic that funds to try to find her could be lost because of this legal action.
'There is every reason to believe she may be alive.'
The McCanns' Portuguese lawyer Isabel Duarte said: 'This will be our final appeal.
'The basis is the violation of my clients' fundamental rights.'
Ah right. Thanks very much for clearing that up, Textusa. most helpful as always. Mrs McFadden is now saying that the court fees will have been paid in advance, for reasons of "transparency" (eh?) That's fair enough, but why then has she been shouting for months about McCanns owing Portugal hundreds of thousands of pounds?
Deletehttps://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/904864272567590912
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/878992531077251073
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/960618309786849280 People should come here to get their info. It would save a lot of confusion.
Is there a possibility that Amaral is now countersuing the McCanns? The media seem to be confusing the ECHR application, which surely can't have been accepted, and a possible action against them by Amaral. Maybe the intention is to confuse us, but I hope Amaral is now suing them after everything they have put him through. I see he is back to being disgraced cop again.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 19 Sep 2018, 13:29:00,
DeleteIf we’re not mistaken, Mr Amaral has said he has no intention of suing the McCanns but only of publishing his book in the UK.
He, of course is the only one who can explain the reasons why but it seems to us that:
- he cannot take the McCanns to court because they took him to court, as that would be the justice system acknowledging that it was in some way an instrument of vengeance. The McCanns had every right to take him to court, both sides presented their arguments and one side was given reason, so all fair and square in the point of view of the system;
- as the greatest part, not to say all of the slandering came from the UK, so the libel process would have to take place there, and considering that it seems he’s been unable to find a publisher for his book in the UK, it would be even harder for him to find a British lawyer to take his case as everyone in the UK knows that the Maddie case has nothing to do with facts of the case but is absolutely political and even if he found a D. Quixote-lawyer, the British establishment wouldn’t allow it to grow stumps, much less legs;
- taking the McCanns to court in Portugal would be extremely risky, in terms of success as it has shown with him that it values the freedom of speech over that of a good name and as the court has neither condemned of cleared anyone, the McCanns are free to defend that they did not have anything to do with Maddie’s disappearance as was Mr Amaral free to say that he feels they had, it all comes down to giving a personal opinion on something the system is formally undecided about.
We agree with you that the McCanns have no reason whatsoever to justify the ECHR accepting an application from them over this case but there’s nothing stopping them from applying if it’s their desire to waste money.
Its all noise,it'll soon settle down (till next March) when the funding is granted, move along folks nothing to see here,except bull shite.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7299658/madeleine-mccann-supporters-call-for-kate-and-gerry-to-get-more-cash-to-find-missing-girl/
ReplyDelete'CAN'T PUT A PRICE ON MADDIE'S LIFE'
Madeleine McCann supporters call for Kate and Gerry to get more cash to find missing girl
The Met Police has not yet applied for more cash but they say they are 'currently in dialogue' with the Home Office
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By Tracey Kandohla
19th September 2018, 7:49 pm
Updated: 19th September 2018, 7:51 pm
MADELEINE McCann supporters have called for her parents to get more money to continue trying to find the missing girl.
They have rallied to tell the Home Secretary: “Madeleine is priceless. You cannot put a price on her life.”
Campaigners are demanding Sajid Javid give the green light to Scotland Yard to carry on searching when their money runs out in just eleven days.
The Met Police has not yet applied for more cash but they say they are “currently in dialogue” with the Home Office who insists it would need to “carefully consider” any fresh requests.
Kellie Howe posted this week on the official Find Maddie Facebook page, endorsed by her parents: "Fingers crossed the new Home Secretary backs us the way Theresa May has.
"You cannot put a price on her life. There should never be a limit where they say ‘too much money has been spent.’
“She is priceless and just as Gerry said in May 2007 ‘We will leave no stone unturned.’
“Hoping this is our last round of funding because it is the round that brings Madeleine home to where she belongs.”
Denise Wynne added: “Be safe and come home dear sweet Madeleine. There is hope and faith that you will someday return to your family who are never going to stop looking for you.
"It was such a cruel thing that happened when you were kidnapped.”
Three-year-old Maddie vanished from an apartment in Portugal’s Praia da Luz during a family holiday in May 2007.
She and her younger twin siblings had been left sleeping alone in their beds while Kate the McCann’s were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant with pals.
So far the inquiry into her disappearance, launched in May 2011 on orders of the then Prime Minister David Cameron, has cost the British taxpayer a staggering £11.6 million.
Heart doctor Gerry and ex GP turned medical worker Kate, both 50, are currently on tenterhooks again not knowing if the hunt for their eldest child will continue of be shelved.
Friends and members of public are rallying round to give them a D-day boost with heart warming and positive messages posted on social media.
Charlotte Metcalf enthused: “It would be one of the best days of my life when Madeleine is found. I think of her often and pray that God is looking after her no matter the circumstances.”
Suzi Kerslake added: “Never give up on you Maddie you are out there somewhere. We all want you hone safe and with your family.”
A source close to the family told The Sun Online today: “To have positive and supportive messages like these gives Kate and Gerry a boost and they are grateful to everyone, everywhere who hopes and prays with them that Madeleine can still be found alive.”
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ReplyDeleteWhilst the couple from Rothley, Leics, are “keeping fingers crossed” the search will carry on for another six months they realise funding could be refused by the Home Office special grants committee, and if members are undecided they will turn to the Home Secretary for his final say.
A Home Office spokesperson said today: “To date no request has been received from the Metropolitan Police Service to extend funding for Operation Grange beyond the end of September 2018.
"Before we would even consider an application from the Met Police to continue its Operation Grange inquiry we need to know what work is left to be done and how much it would cost.”
A Yard spokesperson said: “We are currently in dialogue with the Home Office regarding future funding for Operation Grange.”
Cops on the scaled down inquiry have secretly continued to visit the Algarve searching for possible clues to Maddie’s whereabouts but are not believed to be any step closer to finding her abductor during their high profile and at times controversial seven year investigation.
Kate and Gerry, who have 13-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, cling onto a glimmer of hope their daughter - who would now be aged 15 - could still be alive.
We would like to let our readers know that we find this article very worrying.
DeleteIt’s from Tracy Kandohla, so like with Nick Pisa’s article, we know its origins.
Thinking the other side will ever concede, is to be absurdly naïve. This to us it seems that a Mr Thompson is clearly being done: do all possible to close Grange, regardless of how shameful and disgusting it needs to be, and after that just whine like a baby because Maddie was abandoned by the evil establishment.
It seems the foundations for the post-Grange are being laid. The media stage is being set for ‘poor parents’ having been abandoned by government and how justice no longer cares for Maddie.
Most importantly, prepare to lead the post-Grange whining pack. By leading it, its volume can be set to shrieking but because it’s controlled it can slowly but steadily be dialled down so that the whole issue will quietly fade away and because Gerry McCann is ‘not well’, so should be it be left alone completely.
Yes, but will TM be happy to fall in with this. Does this provide her with an easy option? Surely, everyone is aware that without following this case to it's bitter conclusion - it will never ever go away. What is to be gained by closing Op Grange and letting it fade away? Does it cause TM less problems? What is she thinking?
ReplyDeleteJust read Blacksmith's latest.
ReplyDeleteWhat’s that supposed to convey? Neither funny nor clever, in spite of the classical allusions. Added to NT’s latest toilet roll graphic (hilarious, as he would say) it’s all so typical of the juvenile antics we’ve seen recently, including the bunny-ears photos!
A child is dead and her parents have yet to be held accountable.
This is a tragedy, not a comedy.
Anonymous 20 Sep 2018, 13:58:00,
DeleteTotally agree.
Any person new to the case researching on the internet on the subject really gets the impression that those against the McCanns are really loathsome. But that's exactly they want to achieve.
Just look at this tweet:
https://twitter.com/MichaelBWanker/status/1026396062699933696
Blacksmith, NotTextusa, Bugsy etc AKA the nasty gang are all just here to massage their own & each others' egos, I'm afraid. None of them add anything of value to the cause of justice for Maddie. All three of them seem to devote the majority of their time to bitching .. either about the pro McCann or those who are on the side of truth and justice for MM.
DeleteYuck. The B Wanker account is a disgrace, even judging it beside some of the horrific trolling on the mccann hash. Furthermore it seems the main purpose for its existence is to idolise and aggressively protect the biggest liar, gameplayer and egotist on there. Whoever is behind it should be ashamed of themselves using Maddie's tag for this abusive bilge. I don't want to be associated with this type of person.
DeleteAnonymous 20 Sep 2018, 15:40:00,
DeleteUnfortunately we disagree with you. We say unfortunately as if we assessed it as a vanity fair we would ignore them as we don't get personal.
Private Thompson is a late joiner, and only started to call our attention with the appearance of Sonia Poulton. It was in 2014 but in relative terms, we would say it's recent.
NT, under various pseudonyms has been stalking our blog even before it started. When I was just a commentator at Joana Morais blog and very scarcely at 3A forum his viciousness was already noticeable.
We have been on Blacksmith since the early days. Some of our off-line friends are witnesses to these. We never mentioned him outside saying that he "was a very useful source of information in informing us what was the 'mood' of the UK in relation to the case at each moment in time".
As we believe that we was, up to a certain point in time, access to privileged information, he was a reliable source of information helping a great deal in the assessments we made during that period. If he knew how useful he was to us, he would have never written a word about the case, but fortunately he did and we read.
With the splitting between government and the other side which happened in 2010, Blacksmith remained on the side of government.
We believe that he was sidelined when he blundered with the list of people that were to be heard in December 2014 in Portugal by request and supervision of Operation Grange. With that name revealing, he showed he could not be trusted with sensitive information and was cut-off. He then turned his coat.
This to say that this is far from an "ego-game".
This is structured campaign that involves more than the internet and has been like that from the start. Closely coordinated by one person, the real Gold Commander of the Operation that would be given a cover when it was arranged in 2009 that what had happened until then would be called Operation Task.
Their unpleasantness has a purpose and it is only part of a bigger machinery and that's why we cannot afford to ignore them.
Mr Amaral sets record straight:
ReplyDeletehttp://portugalresident.com/uk-media-accused-of-trailing-fake-mccann-stories-to-%E2%80%9Cpressure-the-european-court%E2%80%9D
Posted by portugalpress on September 20, 2018
UK media accused of trailing fake McCann stories to “pressure the European Court”
As a new funding deadline approaches for Operation Grange - the UK police inquiry that has spent over €12 million ‘searching for Madeleine McCann - British newspapers have been running with “fake stories” centring on the possibility that the Madeleine Fund is in danger of being wiped out by a new court action lodged by former PJ detective Gonçalo Amaral.
The Mail has inferred that a court case brought by Amaral is “due to start in the next few weeks” while the Sun describes the situation as a “Euro court showdown”.
The truth is that the case due to be heard has been instigated by the McCanns themselves and has nothing whatsoever to do with former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral, who has been at pains to distance himself from media hype ever since the McCann’s long-running case to sue him for €1 million failed in the Supreme Court, Portugal’s final court of jurisdiction (click here).
Since that time, costs incurred by the McCanns (and awarded against them) have been left hanging.
The couple’s bid to overturn the Supreme Court judgement has failed twice (click here and click here), thus the jury is definitely out on the merits of this appeal to the European Court of Human Rights.
But as to the case being anything to do with Amaral, the former detective has been in touch to put the record straight:
“There are stories being printed saying I am taking the couple to court. It’s a lie. I have never received any kind of indemnity from them and I have never asked for one.
“The case they have lodged in the European court is not against me, but the Portuguese State.
“These lies just serve to make out that they are victims, to ask for more money and to pressure the European Court”.
The father-of-two who has long since maintained that the McCanns have set out to “assassinate” his “civil position”, said: “They should explain how much of the money of the Fund they have spent on court cases.
“For example, how much they have spent on lawyers fees. These were thousands of pounds not spent on looking for their daughter”.
Amaral’s treatment by the British press has been constant for the last decade.
This week the Sun has called him “disgraced” (when in fact he won the case taken out against him by the McCanns at least three times) and his theory that the parents could have covered up their daughter’s accidental death “shameful” and “ludicrous”.
As to the possibility that the Madeleine Fund could be “wiped out” if the European Court dismisses the McCann’s appeal, this is not news. The situation of the Fund was highlighted by all newspapers in March last year. In fact, Jerry Lawton of the Daily Star referred to the McCanns “going for broke” and using the Madeleine Fund to pay for their legal fees, even though this was something they had originally vowed they would never do (click here).
With the deadline for a decision on further funding for the Metropolitan Police search approaching, other UK newspapers have highlighted “an honest interview” with Madeleine’s father Gerry where he discusses his struggles with depression as a result of the stress of losing a child.
The interview is due to be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 on September 29.
natasha.donn@algarveresident.com
"Since that time, costs incurred by the McCanns (and awarded against them) have been left hanging."
DeleteSo it seems the McCanns have NOT paid their bills in Portugal as Mrs McFadden reported. or am I reading this wrong?
ReplyDeleteSomething that we fully agree on and have been saying for YEARS: neglect was their alibi:
https://twitter.com/CatBerr94351564/status/1041803434628792320
Cat Berry @CatBerr94351564
Replying to @StinsonHunter
Indeed it must be really hard to keep a secret for so long without it taking its toll on ones mental health, especially when the world is watching. The #mccanns want people to believe they neglected Madeleine as without neglect there was no abduction #mccann
2:37 pm - 17 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1041915678809190400
Madeleine CaseTweets 🌐 @McCannCaseTweet
Replying to @CatBerr94351564 @StinsonHunter
Brilliant!!! I'm so happy so many are realizing. Neglect is the Alibi. An opportunity needed to be created for someone to take Madeleine #mccann because she was already DEAD
10:03 pm - 17 Sep 2018
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And we say that the construction of the narrative of neglect did not involve only the T9.
Do not publish Anonymous at 18 Sep 2018, 21:20:00,
ReplyDeleteApologies for only replying now but your comment was pushed down by the barrage of abusive comments we have received lately that we haven’t published and escaped our attention.
As we don’t think the people you mention involved in the Maddie case, them being mentioned is neither good nor bad.
Where do you believe a body/remains could have been kept?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 20 Sep 2018, 15:24:00,
DeleteThat is something we have an opinion about but prefer to keep it to ourselves.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/452305/madeleine-mccann/madeleine-mccann-a-bride-of-christ-an-old-story-and-grief-recast-as-a-mental-health-issue.html
ReplyDeleteEdited interview with G. Presumably as approved by him?
Interviews, apart from Jeremy Paxman, pre-scripted and agreed questions or edited interviews?
Producer Sue Roberts is wife of Simon Armitage the poet.
DeleteThat wasn’t publicised.