We're not even calling it Summer break this year.
Our deepest sympathy and compassion to the Grenfell victims, their families and friends.
Our heartfelt gratefulness to all those, in uniform or without it, who so selflessly came as soon as they could and did all they possibly could do.
Nameless heroes are always the bravest ones.
As for us, we'll return when we feel we should.
No picture required the one ingrained in all our minds will be of that blazing monster of a block burning. Heartfelt words I can only echo.
ReplyDeleteI hope your return is not too far in the distance.You are missed.
Hi,enjoy your summer,here in the uk its uncertain times not knowing where the next tragedy will unfold.Politically its too close to call,now that Farron has resigned,Clegg is no longer an MP a coalition again? who knows.
ReplyDeleteThe McCann case will see silence until the late summer/ early Autumn when a decision will be made on further funding,as long as the PJ continue so will SY,they know not what the pj are up to having ruled out their own ridiculous idea of a burgaltor.
The only certainty is that the british summer will remain changeable a couple of warm/hot days followed by a thunder storm.Enjjoy!
Search dogs being sent in.
ReplyDeleteAnd it's not for living people
It was after big catastrophes that rescue teams observed sniffer dogs reacting differently. Some would run away from cadaver scent, others not. As the emergency was to rescue first thing, they started to select the dogs.
DeletePearl was the first (she)dog trained to alert to human remains in the State of NY.
https://mobile.twitter.com/LondonFire/status/875446572879716353
ReplyDeleteThanks Textusa - for the time and effort you have put in to help enable the truth to emerge. A really heartfelt thanks.
ReplyDeleteEnjoy your break xxx to think all the money "saved" on reducing police numbers
ReplyDeleteetc etc paid for Operation Grange!!!!
https://mobile.twitter.com/thoughtland/status/875705961662603265/video/1
ReplyDeleteA decent journalist from channel 4
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/16/at-least-30-dead-in-grenfell-tower-fire-say-police
ReplyDeleteI think the numbers are being drip fed
https://mobile.twitter.com/mark_wilding/status/875771878404706305
ReplyDeleteAngry people
A young guy called Peaky Saku has plenty to say about this, he was very articulate when interviewed on an internet radio programme. He was on the BBC news and swore so was quickly dismissed. He later apologised but he was so angry and rightly so. He had done his figures and asked where a huge missing amount had gone during the refurbishment.
ReplyDeleteHe and few other people were talking about the 'gentrification' of the area which was already in progress and the cosmetic face lift to the building was more to do with this than improving it physically.
Losing every single possession must be terrible for survivors to enable them to carry on. The smallest thing such as access to cash would be a nightmare if there was no time to pick up a purse or wallet. How do you get to a bank and then prove who you are? Where can adequately house hundreds of people in such a small area? The logistics are horrendous, where will these people eventually be rehoused nearby so they can stay within their community and children stay at their own school? Some may be lucky enough to have relatives who can put them up short term but many will have no-one to rely on.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/16/sun-journalist-grenfell-tower-victim-hospital
ReplyDeleteThe unsurprising Sun at its best.
Maybe I'm alone here but I do feel the McCann case is over.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 16 Jun 2017, 23:32:00,
DeleteOperation Grange will have to come to some sort of public conclusion.
Case far (as in distance, not in time) from over.
Thanks for your response.
DeleteThe Portuguese say 'those who want all, lose all'
DeleteThe result of the elections have gone really bad for the other side and Bilton's procrapgramme has gained new importance.
To explain it properly it has to be done with time and that's when we will do it.
Nice play on a word there,look forward to the explanation.
DeleteTextusa i was I was going to ask where your 3rd part of the evaluation of the panarama program was but I'm just catching up on the horrors of grenfell after my hols and I see now there are more important things in life at present that the nonsense that was Richard Billon, Clarence Mitchell and co. The event of this summer in Britian should make everybody involved in this farse hang their head in shame
ReplyDeleteThere is no overall coordination from Kensington council - no central point, no info for families, no officials taking control
ReplyDeleteIf we had a major incident involving thousands, we would be hopeless in UK in dealing with it.
Hospitals firsts priority is treatment.
Who do they approach from Kensington to reunite the children?
They need officials for listing Missing and reuniting, clothing and food, finding accommodation.
Instead there is a vacuum of info
A completely disgraceful shambles.taking place with emergency services cut to the bone in austerity measures which don't affect the wealthy.
A wake up call for anyone who voted for these incompetent politicians
So terribly sad for the victims of fire, both at Grenfell Tower and in the terrible forest fires in Portugal. That such dreadful events should happen on the same weekend is unbelievable. Our hearts go out to all involved ... those injured or killed, their families and friends, and the emergency services who have had to face unimaginable scenes of horror.
ReplyDeleteNo words are enough.
Mr Corbyn compared the tragedy with the Hillsborough disaster and child abuse scandals.........is Mr Corbyn getting to the end of his tether with cover ups
ReplyDeleteI think funding for operation grange should stop now, enough is enough when they have never reinterviewed the Mccanns and their mates. <stop funding now there are many more people that have lost loved ones and children that need financial assistance, how greedy are the Mcs for thinking they have the right to continue with Grange, having never answered the questions in the first place. God bless all those poor people from Grenfell and hope you find the strength and love that will help you to heal. Textusa have a good break
ReplyDeleteThe Star continues.
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I think you will find that McCanns would want operation grange to stop now with no conclusion. There is no widespread demands to have it closed down or claims that millions have been spent looking for 1 child because people know it's not about looking for 1 child or giving the McCanns special treatment or rights that all citizens don't have. People know it's about getting to the truth. So far May has abused victims of a tragic fire, done a deal with the devil( DUP) insisted on continuing with a hard Brexit all without the support of the people but I firmly believe that anything but the truth on the maddie case would be a bridge too far.
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ReplyDeletehttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/28/hillsborough-six-people-including-two-senior-police-officers-charged
DeleteDear Textusa, 1000 MERCIS. FOR ALL, pour TOUT. J'espĂšre que vous allez bien. Merci, TEXTUSA.
ReplyDeleteHi Text, just seen this, what's your interpretation?https://laidbareblog.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/according-to-reports-hour-ago-from-sun.html
ReplyDeleteTruthbeTold 11 Jul 2017, 23:12:00,
DeleteWill reply as we did in a FB comment:
"Oh, I'm physically separated from my laptop at the moment, and likely to remain that way until the end of month.
But the article followed by the political blunder of Theresa May (note, not being political just stating a consensual fact) and that followed Bilton's BBC procrapgramme, makes this article very interesting.
Among other things, first time we see Kandohla insulting the McCanns and then it's followed by another Sun article as if they felt the need to remind us who the characters of a forthcoming movie are. Like a movie trailer"
Will add:
Somebody seriously shook the snowglobe, we will have to wait and let it settle.
Thanks Text. Waiting in anticipation to see this movie trailer play out. Enjoy the rest of your break.
Delete"The McCann's lost a subsequent appeal in Portugal's Supreme Court in February this year, with the court ruling Maddie's parents had not been cleared of involvement in Maddie's DEATH by the Portuguese police investigation being brought to an end in 2008."
ReplyDeleteWho still believes that MMC is alive ?
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/07/13/us/missing-men-bucks-county-cadaver-dogs/index.html
ReplyDeleteNot fooled by pork or nappies.
https://www.local10.com/news/crime/cid-torrez-found-guilty-of-murdering-estranged-wife-
ReplyDeleteCadaver dogs were right.
The dogs 'knew'. The police knows (in Britain and in Portugal). The McCanns know. Their 'friends' know. The media know. But ... the Madeleine McCann case unfortunately has nothing to do with 'knowing'. It's all about money.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't say "know", but "suspect" and for many of them "don"t want to know". Concerning the "all about money", I disagree, it's much more complex (and simple) than that.
DeleteI would say many people know the truth and have done since the early days.
DeleteOnly the participants know or rather are aware of what happened and are able to interpret it. But they won't !
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ReplyDeleteFinally the July media surge makes sense.
And we must say we are really, really pleased.
Who would have said we would be smiling about something Kandohla would say?
Sometimes life does take some odds twists and turns, doesn't it?
'We don't have to be in Portugal' to investigate. Indeed. Closer to home is more appropriate. One wonders what happened 'Purple woman' - or is she still in the frame? Significantly, the 'theory' that Madeleine 'just wandered off' has been dealt a final crushing blow. Yet one wonders what leads they say they are following.
DeleteFinally, every time I read this: We pay for your stories! Do you have a story for The Sun Online news team? Email us at tips@the-sun.co.uk or call 0207 782 4368 - I think of Tracey (I sell it by the yard) Kandohla and the cash cow it must represent.
Taxi for Mark Williams Thomas and Danny Collins...........
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ReplyDeleteYou would have thought after paying R Murat once for damages they would have learnt,or maybe not.
DeleteThis is also from July funnily enough, 2008.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/52868/Murat-wins-163-600-000-libel-damages
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needham-blood-find-breakthrough-10858653
ReplyDeleteOh, so NOW we have a sandal!!
Errmmn... does anyone remember where and when was this sandal (with blood to boot!) was found?
We only remember about a replica pair that was made last year and we did find that strange.
They made the replica pair, found the sandal and no one, until today has told us about it??
60 items were sent back to the UK for test's maybe it was included in these.
Delete[quote]But one item found on October 15 was said to be of 'greater significance' and was believed to have been in Ben's possession on the day he went missing on July 24 1991.[/quote]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3842412/I-t-say-goodbye-knowing-s-Mother-missing-Ben-Needham-says-want-tear-Greek-island-search-son-closes.html
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Anonymous 24 Jul 2017, 08:31:00,
DeleteThen why not give it any relevance at the time?
We would think that a sandal would be a newsworthy item.
And as we showed in our post "Games", on Sunday the 17th, the media was reporting that nothing of importance had been found and Kerry seemed to accept that fact.
With thanks to Ben Thompson
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pioneering-scientific-proof-behind-blood-10858707
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/operation-ben-needham-turned-texas-10858732
Interestingly the Mail is now telling us the sandal was found in 2012.
ReplyDelete[quote]The sandal was reportedly found in 2012 at the site where Konstantinos 'Dino' Barkas was operating a digger, while the car was discovered last year at another spot.[/quote]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4723422/Human-blood-toy-car-sandal-Ben-Needham.html
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We believe that in 2012 it was reported that a sandal had been found. But then, no relevance or or direct connection to Ben was given.
DeleteQuestion remains, if when car found in 2016, why not mention the 2012 sandal find. Something like "this one item we have now found, together with one we found in 2012...".
And when they made the replica pair of sandals, shouldn't they have given as reason for doing that (even so why make such a pair?) was the sandal they found in 2102?
Or, let's even assume they only realised recently that the 2012 sandal was Ben's. Wouldn't that have been newsworthy? Of course it would.
We will wait to be told where it was found. That is something that is evidently of the highest importance.
I'll be the first to acknowledge that I know nothing of decomposition but what I find and found strange is the lack of bone fragment,here in the UK bones from as long ago from the Saxon age can be found even Richard the 3rds from the 1400's,maybe its the English clay but wouldn't there be some sign from as little ago as 1991 in a dry environment?
DeleteYou wrote in your 'Games' post:
ReplyDelete#2 – Patsy:
South Yorkshire police would confirm officially that it was Dino Barkas whodunnit at the farmhouse even if it goes against logic, reasoning and above all, common decency.
That would indicate to us that the option in the Maddie case would be the Third Option, we suppose in its latest version, the child trafficking gang.That or some other invention depending on which direction the sick winds of inspiration happen to be blowing at the moment;
Does this indicate that the Madeleine case will go for Third option?
Anonymous 24 Jul 2017, 09:14:00,
DeleteAs said in our FB post:
https://www.facebook.com/bronte.textusa/posts/1068001453336505
"BUT, by all means let there be a sandal and blood on it and on the toy car!!
I, for one, can't wait for the OFFICIAL and DETAILED description of events that we are still waiting for SYP to do since Oct 18 last year."
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/632031/ben-needham-found-blood-evidence-killed-body-moved-Kos-Greece-kerry-needham-dino-barkas/amp
ReplyDeleteRemoving body recently not feasible
Sandals were found in last search if I recall
Why not identified as his at the time?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pioneering-scientific-proof-behind-blood-10858707.amp
ReplyDelete"Professor Lorna Dawson, of the James Hutton Institute in Scotland is one of the leading soil scientists in the world.
Talking to the Daily Mirror she confirmed they had found evidence of human blood decomposition on two items recovered from the Greek island of Kos.
The first was discovered on a small scrap of leather from a child’s sandal – which matches the size and style worn by Ben Needham when he went missing.
This was found in 2014 as they were taking soil samples behind the farmhouse where Ben was last seen playing."
Were there searches in 2014??
If so, why wasn't it reported, as well as this find?
"The pioneering tests carried out by Professor Dawson and her team, can differentiate between blood decomposition and soft tissue decomposition.
DeleteIf it is soft tissue decomposition, it means the whole body decomposed while in contact with the item found.
But they found indicators of blood decomposition - which may mean the body did not decompose while in contact with the sandal."
Or with the toy car.
How interesting... so dogs are reliable??
Delete"“Behind the farmhouse where Ben was last seen playing, we found a whole range of them in the soil. Twenty to thirty compounds.
“It’s that profile that is particularly identifiable as being human. We ran an independent test with the Police Scotland dog called Ollie, and his dog handler, Ryan Galloway.
“He didn’t react to the toy car but did to the sandal.There were less compounds on the car to detect and the sandal was very high. It was one of the highest samples.
“Both the analytical test in our chemical labs, and the independent blind test with the dog, came up with the same compounds - the same items of interest.
“The dog was able to indicate the scent that is indicative of the compounds related to humans. ”"
There were no sandals found in any of the searches . The car is from the 60's and was found more than once . I didn't realise that they could now test for organic volatile compounds in a lab without a body after more than 25 years ... besides , did they not mention that the farm was in an archaeological grave site ? despicable patsy framing to close the case . At the expense of an innocent man who is dead and cannot defend himself .
ReplyDeleteBringing over to the blog the 3 Mirror articles that were published very quickly one after the other, and which we consider of the UTMOST importance:
ReplyDelete- 22:20, 23 JUL 2017, Updated 07:41, 24 JUL 2017
- 22:22, 23 Jul 2017
- 22:23, 23 JUL 2017
Article #1:
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Ben Needham’s mum fears discovery of human blood on missing son's 'sandal and toy car' proves he was killed and his body moved
The missing tot's devastated mum said she is now convinced the youngster was taken from the site where he was buried before British police returned to carry out a dig there last year
ByLucy Thornton
22:20, 23 JUL 2017
Updated 07:41, 24 JUL 2017
Ben Needham’s mum Kerry fears the ¬discovery of human blood on a sandal and toy car believed to belong to her son proves he was killed and his body moved, in a ¬sinister twist to the mystery.
The 43-year-old said she is now convinced the youngster was taken from the site where he was buried before British police returned to carry out a dig there last year.
Kerry claims the new evidence points to a cover-up over what happened to her son, who vanished at the age of 21 months while staying at his grandparents’ farmhouse on the Greek island of Kos, 26 years ago tomorrow.
The sandal was found in 2012 at the site where police believe Ben was accidentally killed by Konstantinos “Dino” Barkas who was ¬operating a digger there. But the car was ¬discovered at another spot late last year. There was no sign of the toddler’s body.
Kerry, who made a fresh appeal for anyone who knows anything to break their silence, said: “This confirms everything the police have suspected. It makes it all a little too real. We believe what they believe.
“It shows more of a conspiracy because they didn’t find Ben’s body. That proves it to me without doubt they ¬obviously moved him and buried him and for ¬whatever reason dug him up. There’s no other ¬explanation. It’s all been a massive cover-up.
“This confirms what the police have been saying all along. My Ben was killed in an ¬accident. But it also suggests that not only did they kill my boy and bury him where the toy car was found, they then moved him before police got to the site last October.
“What kind of human being does that? It just infuriates me. How can they do such a thing? He was definitely wearing those sandals that day. They were the only ones we could keep on his feet.
“And we’re 99.9% sure that car was Ben’s. He was playing with them that day. You can sort of forgive an accident in time but when somebody takes that further and starts picking up a dead child and moving his remains again.
“It’s monstrous behaviour. God know’s where he is. He could be in the bottom of the Aegean sea for all I know. It’s really sick.”
Ben’s sister Leighanna, 23, added: “They are putting a whole family’s suffering on hold.
“But we’re always hopeful someone will come forward and be brave by breaking the stigma which stops people coming to help us.”
Experts will now test the sandal and car to see if it contain’s Ben’s DNA. Kerry, of Sheffield, has provided a sample of her own to assist.
Forensic scientists working on her son’s case found the decomposed blood on the items.
Professor Lorna Dawson, of the James Hutton institute in Aberdeen, has been working with South Yorkshire Police in the hunt for the boy. She said: “These findings could corroborate the police theory there was an accident and the body moved.
"We were looking for any unusual samples that are specific to mammalians. A sheep, a dog will all leave behind different profiles. They have specific compounds.
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Delete“We are looking for a change in the chemical fingerprint which can be left for many, many years. Behind the farmhouse where Ben was last seen playing, we found a whole range of them in the soil.
"Twenty to 30 compounds. It’s that profile that is particularly identifiable as being human.” A specialist police dog used in the hunt for bodies reacted to the sandal sample.
Prof Dawson added: “He didn’t react to the toy car but did to the sandal. There were less compounds on the car to detect and the sandal was very high. It was one of the highest samples.
“Samples are now with the biologists who are trying to extract DNA, to see if it could be Ben’s. But the items are very old and very dirty. DNA could well be degraded. It might not be possible.”
Superintendent Jon Cousins, who has been leading the investigation into Ben’s death, said: “Based on the facts and information obtained, it is still my professional belief that Ben died as a result of a tragic incident at the farmhouse involving heavy machinery.
“There has been a thorough review of all the information and evidence gathered, with pioneering, scientific techniques conducted on items recovered from Kos during the searches.
“The result of this work has recently revealed a development forensically, with early -examinations indicating potential signs of human decomposition.”
Ben was said to be playing near the farmhouse when Dino was moving earth with his digger. He is known to have at least 70 other sites where he dumped rubble around the island.
Before the builder died in 2015, he allegedly confessed to a friend he may have killed the youngster in a horror accident. The pal told police: “It’s time the family knew the truth, so they can stop searching.”
Detectives believe Dino had an accomplice who may have helped hide the body. His family strongly deny he was involved in Ben’s death.
But Kerry appealed for anyone who knows what happened to her son to come forward.
She said: “Just tell me where he is, even ¬anonymously. Please send a letter, or an email.
“I don’t care any more who goes to prison or not. Just tell me, that’s all I’ve ever wanted in 26 years. I want to put him at peace, my family at peace and my own mind at peace.
“I won’t stop searching for Ben. I will go to my grave still looking for answers if I have to.”
Article #2
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The pioneering scientific proof behind the blood clues that could finally solve the Ben Needham case
Professor Lorna Dawson is one of the leading soil scientists in the world and has been examining the case of missing Bem
by Lucy Thornton
22:22, 23 Jul 2017
Professor Lorna Dawson, of the James Hutton Institute in Scotland is one of the leading soil scientists in the world.
Talking to the Daily Mirror she confirmed they had found evidence of human blood decomposition on two items recovered from the Greek island of Kos.
The first was discovered on a small scrap of leather from a child’s sandal – which matches the size and style worn by Ben Needham when he went missing.
This was found in 2014 as they were taking soil samples behind the farmhouse where Ben was last seen playing.
The second positive result came from soil scrapings taken from inside a toy car which was discovered a mile away from the farmhouse, where Dino used to dump his building rubble.
This metal toy was found on the last day of a three-week search in October.
The pioneering tests carried out by Professor Dawson and her team, can differentiate between blood decomposition and soft tissue decomposition.
If it is soft tissue decomposition, it means the whole body decomposed while in contact with the item found.
But they found indicators of blood decomposition - which may mean the body did not decompose while in contact with the sandal.
The blood on the sandal decomposed separately. This could indicate that Ben’s body was removed and the bloodied sandal left behind where the blood decomposed away from the body.
“I went out with the team in 2014 to investigate the area where Ben was last seen and down to where he may have wandered,” the professor told The Mirror.
“We were looking for any anomalies, looking for unusual samples that are specific to mammalians. Anything organic that has broken down leaves behind a signature and then in time they can release volatiles into the soil.
“So the natural soil has been changed because something has been added to it. A sheep, a dog will all leave behind different profiles. They have specific compounds.
“We are looking for a change in the chemical fingerprint which can be left for many many years.
“Behind the farmhouse where Ben was last seen playing, we found a whole range of them in the soil. Twenty to thirty compounds.
“It’s that profile that is particularly identifiable as being human. We ran an independent test with the Police Scotland dog called Ollie, and his dog handler, Ryan Galloway.
“He didn’t react to the toy car but did to the sandal.There were less compounds on the car to detect and the sandal was very high. It was one of the highest samples.
(cont)
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Delete“Both the analytical test in our chemical labs, and the independent blind test with the dog, came up with the same compounds - the same items of interest.
“The dog was able to indicate the scent that is indicative of the compounds related to humans. ”
One of the areas they highlighted from the soil - as involving decomposition - later turned out to be the Roman graves which briefly held up the excavation last October.
To help them with their pioneering work they turned to anthropologist Arpad Vass from Tennessee, who works on the so-called ‘body farm’ in the US.
He has been researching decomposition in human remains - research which is impossible in the UK because it is banned.
“In America you are allowed to leave your body to science and he has been studying decomposition, leaving bodies to decompose in different ways,” the professor said.
“Because of his research we could look for certain compounds that would be indicative of a human source. This is ongoing research and is an evolving science. It is intelligence information.
One of the areas they highlighted from the soil - as involving decomposition - later turned out to be the Roman graves which briefly held up the excavation last October.
To help them with their pioneering work they turned to anthropologist Arpad Vass from Tennessee, who works on the so-called ‘body farm’ in the US.
He has been researching decomposition in human remains - research which is impossible in the UK because it is banned.
“In America you are allowed to leave your body to science and he has been studying decomposition, leaving bodies to decompose in different ways,” the professor said.
“Because of his research we could look for certain compounds that would be indicative of a human source. This is ongoing research and is an evolving science. It is intelligence information.
Article #3:
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Operation Ben Needham turned to Texas Body Farm for help with clues found on Kos
The lab, officially the Forensic Anthropology Research Facility (FARF), is used by students, researchers and law enforcement worldwide
ByLucy Thornton
22:23, 23 JUL 2017
South Yorkshire Police’s Operation Ben Needham team turned to the Texas Body Farm’for help in the hunt for clues.
The lab, officially the Forensic Anthropology Research Facility (FARF), is used by students, researchers and law enforcement worldwide.
It was branded the ‘body farm’ as human remains are scattered across the ground as the flesh slowly rots from the bones.
There are dozens of bodies strewn about a wooded hillside in the US.
Some are complete cadavers, but there are also limbs, organs and body fluids, including blood, scattered around the 26-acre outdoor site.
Some of the cadavers are confined in cages to be studied for bacterial decomposition while others lay unprotected to track the effects of scavenging.
The lab has only been open since 2008 and already the remains of 150 individuals have been studied.
Another 200 still-living people have pre-registered to add their bodies for future research. It has been hailed as a pioneering facility crucial to science.
The facility has been regularly visited by police, prosecutors and coroners since the 1980s, is also used to help identify plane crash victims and those buried in mass war graves.
A local deer also visited, making headlines after being caught on camera chewing on a human rib.
The research laboratory in Knoxville provides a unique opportunity for CSI teams to replicate murder scenes.
Arpad Vass, a senior research scientist, helped the ‘Operation Ben’ team.
As well as providing decomposition compounds to compare he also advocates the use of dogs.
He said they can detect the scent of human remains under 30 metres of water, some can also detect traces as small as a shard of bone or drop of blood.
They can also tell the difference between, a dead raccoon and a dead hiker.
“Most think an odour is just made of one chemical, when in reality it is made up of dozens or hundreds of chemicals,” he has explained.
Once the donor bodies are removed from FARF and processed they are kept for ever in the Texas State Donated Skeletal Collection for future research.
Very interesting articles wondering out loud here,Rowley refused to be drawn on whether they were looking at forensics,were any kept in the McCann case?
DeleteA MSM paper has picked up the story:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/24/ben-needham-blood-found-on-toy-car-and-sandal
Ben Needham: blood found on toy car and sandal
Police say discovery ‘corroborates and strengthens’ theory that boy died in accident 26 years ago on Greek island of Kos
Josh Halliday North of England correspondent
Monday 24 July 2017 08.45 BST
Signs of blood have been found on a toy car and sandal believed to have belonged to toddler Ben Needham, who disappeared on Kos 26 years ago.
South Yorkshire police said the development “corroborates and strengthens” the theory Ben died in an accident at his grandparents’ farmhouse where he had been staying.
But Ben’s mother, Kerry Needham, said the discovery was evidence of a “massive cover-up” and that her son’s body must have been moved after his death: “It shows more of a conspiracy because they didn’t find Ben’s body,” she told the Daily Mirror.
“That proves it to me without doubt they obviously moved him and buried him and, for whatever reason, dug him up. There’s no other explanation.”
Ben went missing while playing near his grandparents’ farmhouse, in Iraklis, while it was being renovated on 24 July 1991.
Last October, South Yorkshire police formally ended an extensive search of the site, and a second site 750 metres away, saying they believe the toddler may have been crushed by a digger working on the renovation.
Ben’s body has never been found although other items – thought to be a toy car and sandal belonging to the 21-month-old – are being tested for his DNA after being recovered previously.
Scientists said on Monday they had found human blood samples on the items but that further testing was required to link them directly to Ben.
The sandal was reportedly found in 2012 at the site where Konstantinos “Dino” Barkas was operating a digger, while the car was discovered last year at another spot. Barkas is believed to have died from stomach cancer in 2015.
Prof Lorna Dawson, head of the soil forensics group at the James Hutton Institute in Aberdeen, said a team of scientists had discovered the “chemical finger print” of compounds left behind “when there has been decomposition or decay”.
“There’s a strong indication from this chemical profile that this was present on those items as a result of blood decomposition,” she said.
“It’s significant in identifying that there had been a human who had bled in contact with those items. The biologist has to come in now and identify who left that blood on that item by extracting the DNA.”
DI Jon Cousins added: “It’s not evidence, it’s intelligence which supports what we believe, that unfortunately and tragically Ben died as a result of an incident at that farmhouse. It’s my belief that [the findings] corroborate and strengthen that theory.”
Kerry Needham said the discovery suggested there had been a “massive cover-up” of her son’s death and that his body must have been moved before police searched the two sites last October.
She told the Daily Mirror: ”This confirms what the police have been saying all along. My Ben was killed in an accident. But it also suggests that not only did they kill my boy and bury him where the toy car was found, they then moved him before police got to the site last October.
“What kind of human being does that? It just infuriates me. How can they do such a thing? He was definitely wearing those sandals that day. They were the only ones we could keep on his feet.
“And we’re 99.9% sure that car was Ben’s. He was playing with them that day. You can sort of forgive an accident in time but when somebody takes that further and starts picking up a dead child and moving his remains again, it’s monstrous behaviour. God know’s where he is. He could be in the bottom of the Aegean Sea for all I know. It’s really sick.”
So, according to Kerry Needham, there was a "collective" helping dispose of the body:
Delete"But Ben’s mother, Kerry Needham, said the discovery was evidence of a “massive cover-up” and that her son’s body must have been moved after his death: “It shows more of a conspiracy because they didn’t find Ben’s body,” she told the Daily Mirror.
“That proves it to me without doubt they obviously moved him and buried him and, for whatever reason, dug him up. There’s no other explanation.”"
How very, very interesting.
im never sure Textusa when you are talking about the Needham case whether you are linking it directly to the McCann case. The collective helping to dispose of the body is the same as in the McCann case. Is that what your getting at.
DeleteJust related to the Needham case notice how Kerry Needham carefully suggests that the original burial spot was where the toy car was found which according to reports was quite a distance from the farmhouse. Far enough that the parents who were at the farmhouse could not possibly see him being buried although it would be hard to miss him being knocked down and killed by a big digger just feet from them. The theory that he was buried where the toy car is in direct contradiction about what the professor says about the chemical fingerprint left by human remains which she says 20 to 30 compounds were found behind the farmhouse
Anonymous 24 Jul 2017, 21:56:00,
DeleteThis blog is exclusively about Maddie.
We are just pointing out that Kerry Needham seems to be acknowledging that a group of people got together and helped to dispose of Ben's body to cover-up for whatever would the body reveal if such a cover-up didn't exist.
We think there are relevant similarities between this and what happened to Maddie.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4082373/ben-needham-blood-toy-car-sandals-prove-boy-killed/
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Ben Needham’s mum says blood discovery proves he was killed and his body was moved
BEN vanished on the Greek Island of Kos 26 years ago - but his body has never been found
By Richard Wheatstone and Patrick Knox
24th July 2017, 7:27 am
Updated: 25th July 2017, 8:58 am
BEN Needham’s heartbroken mum has said blood found on a sandal and toy car belonging to her missing son provide “conclusive evidence” he was killed 26 years ago.
Kerry Needham has been searching for her son since the 21-month-old toddler vanished on the Greek island of Kos on July 24, 1991, but says she has now accepted he is dead.
She told Good Morning Britain: “This is the first time we’ve got conclusive evidence that he died on the day he disappeared.”
Kerry, from Sheffield, added that her anguish has turned to anger following the discovery, as it proves a cover-up which has extended her family’s anger for nearly three decades.
She said: “The really difficult thing about it is trying to understand why these people haven’t come forward.
“They’ve seen myself and my family break down. They could have just told us and wouldn’t have had to have gone through all this trauma.”
The sandal was found in 2012 at the site where Konstantinos “Dino” Barkas was operating a digger, while the car was discovered last year at another spot.
Kerry, 43, is now convinced her child was taken from the site where he was buried before British police returned to carry out a dig there last year.
Mr Barkas is believed to have died from stomach cancer in 2015.
The 21-month toddler disappeared 26 years ago today while visiting his grandparents’ farmhouse on the Greek island of Kos.
Making a fresh appeal for information, Kerry said: “It shows more of a conspiracy because they didn’t find Ben’s body. That proves it to me without doubt they ¬obviously moved him and buried him and for whatever reason dug him up. There’s no other ¬explanation. It’s all been a massive cover-up.
“This confirms what the police have been saying all along. My Ben was killed in an ¬accident. But it also suggests that not only did they kill my boy and bury him where the toy car was found, they then moved him before police got to the site last October.
“What kind of human being does that? It just infuriates me. How can they do such a thing? He was definitely wearing those sandals that day. They were the only ones we could keep on his feet.”
Cops believe he was accidentally hit by a digger driven by builder Barkas.
But there has been no sign of Ben’s body.
Professor Lorna Dawson, of the James Hutton institute in Aberdeen, has been working with South Yorkshire Police in the hunt for the boy. He said: “These findings could corroborate the police theory there was an accident and the body moved.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1795336/ben-needham-disappearance-kos-latest/
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Ben Needham latest news – the theories about his disappearance in Kos and updates on the case
Ben had been on holiday with his family on the Greek Island of Kos, but despite numerous investigations and an array of reported sightings, no trace of Ben has ever been found
By Amanda Devlin and Natalie Keegan
24th July 2017, 9:39 am
Updated: 24th July 2017, 10:43 am
BEN Needham vanished on the Greek island of Kos in 1991 but despite numerous investigations and an array of reported sightings he has never been found.
His mum Kerry has never stopped looking for her little boy despite the revelation he was probably crushed by a digger on the day he disappeared. Here is the full story…
Who is Ben Needham?
Ben Needham was born 29 October 1989 in Sheffield, but disappeared aged only 21-months on 24 July 1991.
Ben had been on holiday with his family on the Greek Island of Kos, but despite numerous investigations and an array of reported sightings, no trace of Ben has ever been found.
On the day of his disappearance little Ben was being looked after by his grandparents while mum Kerry went to work at a local hotel.
Ben had been coming in and out of the home (a farmhouse that was being renovated by the family) when, at around 2.30pm, when it was discovered he was gone.
At first, the family began to search nearby for the tot, assuming that he had wandered off, or that Kerry’s teenage brother Stephen had taken him out for a ride on his moped.
But no sign of Ben was found.
At first the Needham’s were question by police as suspects in the matter, which delayed searches at airports and docks for the boy.
Eventually the search was widened – but to this day no one knows if Ben is alive or dead.
His mum Kerry made a fresh appeal to find the tot’s body ahead of the 26-year anniversary of his disappearance.
She has told those who know of his whereabouts that it is “never too late” to speak up, as she prepares to mark another 12 months without her beloved son.
What theories are there around Ben Needham’s disappearance?
The day after Ben’s disappearance, builders including Konstantinos Barkas, also known as Dino, claimed they had spotted a white car occupied by three people parking nearby before he vanished.
However, nine years later this car was traced to Xanthippi Agrelli, the family’s translator, who said she was had visited that day, but the family denied this and urged officers to re-investigate.
In 1996, a Greek prisoner named a gypsy family he claimed were holding Ben.
Det Insp Jon Cousins described the family as “significant” to the investigation. He said they had been identified by numerous people over 20 years as being involved with Ben’s disappearance.
However, South Yorkshire detectives finally ruled out any link in 2015.
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ReplyDeleteAnother lead came when, in 1997, a taxi driver came forward claiming he had spotted the boy in his taxi with the family, while others also made the same allegations.
In 2012, a previous dig was carried out in the search for Ben’s body on Kos – but found nothing.
Kerry told The Mirror: “The first dig was carried out not because they believed Ben was there.
“In their mind’s eye it was to prove there hadn’t been an ¬accident and he was a genuine missing person.
“Once it had been proved there had not been an accident they could then take it forward as a missing person’s inquiry.
“Now I think they are doing it to prove there was an accident. To prove Ben is dead.”
In 2015, a young man who believed he could be Ben contacted police, but tests revealed he was not him.
Earlier this year, it was claimed that Ben was snatched by a man and then spirited across the ocean in a black speedboat.
The claims were revealed as investigators revisited a mysterious phone call to the British Missing People Charity in 1993, where the caller claimed that Ben was living under the new name ‘Andreas’ and was in mainland Greece being cared for by a man named ‘Nikos.’
Police have also received numerous reports that there have been sightings of Ben across the globe – with sightings reaching as far as Germany and Australia.
Who is Konstantinos Barkas?
In October 2016, cops told Ben Needham’s mum he was dead after digging up one of his Matchbox cars near the farmhouse where his family was staying.
Cops are now sure Ben was accidentally hit by a digger driven by builder Konstantinos “Dino” Barkas, who died last year.
It comes after a witness said digger driver Konstantinos Barkas who was working there may have been responsible for the death.
They say Ben was secretly buried elsewhere – or taken to a nearby fly-tipping site.
Devastated Kerry said she hopes Barkas is “burning in hell” after taking the alleged secret to his grave.
Kerry told Good Morning Britain: “He could have ended this 25 years ago. I could have grieved, had my daughter. You never forget your child but at least I would have known where he was. I could have done something with my life.
“Instead I’ve had a life on hold without being able to do anything or focus on anything. I’m living this nightmare – but it could have been ended 25 years ago. I could have probably forgiven that person back then. But now, no.”
But the digger’s widow Varvara insists her husband had nothing to do with 21-month-old Ben’s disappearance and claimed he never even mentioned the missing boy.
She told the Sunday Mirror: “My husband was a good man and I know he had nothing to do with Ben’s disappearance.”
What is the latest news on Ben Needham?
Ben’s mum Kerry is now convinced her child was taken from the site before British police returned to carry out a dig there in 2015.
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ReplyDeleteShe also believes blood found on a sandal and toy car belonging to her missing son provide “conclusive evidence” he was killed.
Kerry told Good Morning Britain: “This is the first time we’ve got conclusive evidence that he died on the day he disappeared.”
Kerry, from Sheffield, added that her anguish has turned to anger following the discovery, as it proves a cover-up which has extended her family’s anger for nearly three decades.
She said: “The really difficult thing about it is trying to understand why these people haven’t come forward.
“They’ve seen myself and my family break down. They could have just told us and wouldn’t have had to have gone through all this trauma.”
The sandal was found in 2012 at the site where Konstantinos “Dino” Barkas was operating a digger, while the car was discovered last year at another spot.
Making a fresh appeal for information, Kerry said: “It shows more of a conspiracy because they didn’t find Ben’s body. That proves it to me without doubt they ¬obviously moved him and buried him and for whatever reason dug him up. There’s no other ¬explanation. It’s all been a massive cover-up.
“This confirms what the police have been saying all along. My Ben was killed in an ¬accident. But it also suggests that not only did they kill my boy and bury him where the toy car was found, they then moved him before police got to the site last October.
“What kind of human being does that? It just infuriates me. How can they do such a thing? He was definitely wearing those sandals that day. They were the only ones we could keep on his feet.”
All so, so interesting.
ReplyDeleteSo the body was moved. From where to where? From the farmhouse where the sandal with blood was supposedly found, to where the toy car was, again supposedly, found?
If body not found where toy car was found, do we have 2 moves: farmhouse, to toy car site and from there to elsewhere?
Or the sandal indicates the site where he was killed right by the farmhouse - by a humongous digger which everyone failed to see and is confirmed by grandpa to be down the road because he searched it thoroughly and found no trace of Ben on it - and the toy indicates the first burial site from where body was moved (supposedly because they were warned the Brit police was coming and yet no freshly moved ground was detected)?
All so very interesting and intriguing and we are honestly anxious to hear SYP's official detailed version.
Just a question to our readers: imagine if twice the reader's handbag is searched by the police, are they, when doing so, suspecting something about the reader or about the pub owner down the road?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4113168/british-kid-goes-missing-on-praia-de-luz-beach-just-metres-from-where-maddie-mccann-vanished/?utm_source=FBPAGE&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SprnklrSUNOrganic&UTMX=Editorial:TheSun:FBLink:Statement:News
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British kid goes missing on Praia da Luz beach just metres from where Maddie McCann vanished
The youngster, said to be aged around eight, vanished sometime this morning
By Gerard Couzens and Corey Charlton
27th July 2017, 3:20 pm
Updated: 27th July 2017, 3:32 pm
A BRITISH BOY today vanished from the same Portuguese resort Madeleine McCann disappeared from in May 2007.
The youngster, said to be aged around eight, disappeared for several hours before being found early this afternoon in Praia da Luz.
Initial reports said he had vanished while on the beach but Maritime Police chief Conceicao Duarte said he was last seen in the town.
He has since been found and is now being held at a local police station, it was reported.
Madeleine was three when she vanished while on holiday with her parents in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007.
It is not known if the missing boy is an expat or a holidaymaker.
It was in Praia da Luz that Maddie, then aged three, disappeared 10 years ago sparking an international manhunt.
To date, her whereabouts have never been discovered.
More to follow
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4736208/British-boy-goes-missing-Praia-da-Luz.html
ReplyDeleteBREAKING NEWS: British boy goes missing in Praia da Luz - ten years after Madeleine McCann disappeared in the same Portuguese resort
The child was reported missing in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz today
It is unclear if he has been found with reports saying he is at a police station
It comes ten years after Madeleine McCann disappeared in the same resort
By Gerard Couzens for MailOnline
Published: 15:12 BST, 27 July 2017 | Updated: 15:28 BST, 27 July 2017
A British boy has gone missing in the same Portuguese resort Madeleine McCann disappeared from in May 2007.
The youngster, said to be aged around eight, was last seen early this afternoon in Praia da Luz.
Initial reports said he had vanished while on the beach but Maritime Police chief Conceicao Duarte said he was last seen in the town.
But it is unclear if the boy has now been found with reports claiming he may now be safe and well at a police station in nearby Lagos.
Madeleine was three when she vanished while on holiday with her parents in Praia da Luz on May 3 2007.
It is not known if the missing boy is an expat or a holidaymaker.
http://www.jn.pt/justica/interior/policia-procura-crianca-desaparecida-na-praia-da-luz-no-algarve-8667755.html
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GNR encontra criança que estava desaparecida na Praia da Luz
Lusa
Hoje Ă s 14:42, atualizado Ă s 15:35
Uma criança de nacionalidade inglesa que foi dada como desaparecida ao inĂcio ao da tarde desta quinta-feira na Praia da Luz, em Lagos, Algarve, jĂĄ foi encontrada pelas autoridades.
O JN apurou que a criança foi encontrada na vila pelas 13.30 horas e que foi pouco o tempo que esteve desaparecida.
Em declaraçÔes Ă agĂȘncia Lusa, o CapitĂŁo do Porto de Lagos, Conceição Duarte, indicou que a PolĂcia MarĂtima foi informada do desaparecimento da criança, um rapaz, de nacionalidade inglesa, tendo efetuado diligĂȘncias nas proximidades da praia.
Segundo Conceição Duarte, o desaparecimento ocorreu na vila e não na praia, tendo a operação ficado a cargo da Guarda Nacional Republicana (GNR).
Recorde-se que foi precisamente na zona da Praia da Luz que desapareceu, hĂĄ dez anos, Maddie McCann.
Our translation:
Algarve
GNR finds child missing in Praia da Luz
Lusa
Today at 14:42, updated at 15:35
A child of English nationality who was reported missing early Thursday afternoon at Praia da Luz in Lagos, Algarve, has already been found by authorities.
The JN learned that the child was found in the village by 1.30 pm and that was missing for a little time.
Speaking to the Lusa news agency, the Captain of the Port of Lagos, Conceição Duarte, indicated that the Maritime Police had been informed of the disappearance of the child, a boy of English nationality, and having made diligences in the vicinities of the beach.
According to Conceição Duarte, the disappearance occurred in the village and not on the beach, and the operation was carried out by the GNR.
We remind that it was precisely in the Praia da Luz area that Maddie McCann disappeared ten years ago.
Interesting that this British missing boy story did not make any of the Portuguese news (except for this JN article reporting him having been found) and that Couzens jumped immediately on this.
ReplyDeleteSad is to realise that Maddie got much more attention from this than the little boy.
Thank goodness he was found safe and sound.
Article we MUST bring over to the blog:
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Menino inglĂȘs desaparecido na Praia da Luz entregue na PSP
Criança procurada na praia onde desapareceu Maddie.
14:46
Uma criança de nacionalidade inglesa que estava desaparecida desde o inĂcio da tarde desta quinta-feira na praia da Luz, em Lagos, Algarve, foi entregue Ă PSP de Lagos. O menino tem cerca de oito anos.
As policiais estavam a efetuar buscas desde o seu desaparecimento, reportado ao inĂcio da tarde desta quinta-feira.
Em declaraçÔes Ă agĂȘncia Lusa, o CapitĂŁo do Porto de Lagos, Conceição Duarte, indicou que a PolĂcia MarĂtima foi informada do desaparecimento da criança, um rapaz, de nacionalidade inglesa, tendo efetuado diligĂȘncias nas proximidades da praia.
Segundo Conceição Duarte, o desaparecimento ocorreu na vila e não na praia, decorrendo a operação a cargo da Guarda Nacional Republicana (GNR).
A agĂȘncia Lusa tentou obter informaçÔes junto da GNR, mas atĂ© ao momento nĂŁo obteve qualquer resposta.
Um habitante da praia da Luz disse à Lusa que a GNR estava a "bater de porta em porta, em busca de uma criança, que, segundo dizem, terå cerca de oito anos de idade".
Turistas ainda recordam desaparecimento de Maddie
O desaparecimento da britùnica Madeleine McCann, em 2007 (fez em maio 10 anos), não afastou os turistas da pacata vila da Praia da Luz, mas uma década depois o caso ainda se mantém vivo na memória dos que lå vivem e visitam a zona.
Dezenas de turistas continuam a passear pelo pequeno calçadĂŁo que acompanha a Praia da Luz, onde jĂĄ nada remete para um dos casos de polĂcia mais mediĂĄticos em Portugal, que dez anos depois ainda se mantĂ©m vivo nas memĂłrias dos que por ali se cruzam.
Pela segunda vez a passar férias naquela zona, a britùnica Irene Duffield acredita que ninguém vai esquecer a pequena Madeleine McCann, desaparecida a 3 de maio de 2007 de um apartamento na praia da Luz, cujo nome perdurarå na memória coletiva dos ingleses, como em todo o mundo, durante muito tempo.
A turista, que vive no condado de Essex, no Reino Unido, acredita que se tratou de um "caso Ășnico" num paĂs "seguro", ao qual os britĂąnicos sĂŁo muito afeiçoados, razĂŁo pela qual o desaparecimento da menina, por si sĂł, nĂŁo impede as pessoas de voltarem ali.
"Com sorte, ela ainda estarĂĄ por aĂ e poderĂĄ aparecer viva", crĂȘ Irene Duffield, criticando, no entanto, a atuação da polĂcia portuguesa que, inicialmente, terĂĄ conduzido mal a investigação, por nĂŁo ter atuado "tĂŁo rĂĄpido quanto devia".
O marido, Bruce, também acredita que o desaparecimento de Maddie não é motivo para afastar as pessoas de irem para aquela zona do Algarve, uma vez que "poderia acontecer em qualquer lado", embora este caso em particular tenha sido "muito difundido em Inglaterra".
O francĂȘs Yann Allo estĂĄ pela terceira vez na Praia da Luz e considera que "hĂĄ casos semelhantes que acontecem em todo o lado", mesmo no seu paĂs, que afetam as pessoas numa fase inicial, mas que depois caem no esquecimento.
"Nos primeiros tempos, acho que teve algum impacto no turismo da Praia da Luz, porque certas pessoas com crianças pequenas talvez tenham ficado com receio, mas com o tempo a imagem vai desvanecer-se e não fica uma må imagem para a praia da Luz", refere.
Acabado de chegar para uma temporada de um mĂȘs e meio de fĂ©rias, o turista diz que em França jĂĄ se "virou a pĂĄgina" e nĂŁo se fala tanto do caso Maddie, apesar de ter tocado o paĂs, sobretudo no seu caso, por ser natural da regiĂŁo da Bretanha.
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ReplyDeletePresidente da CĂąmara de Lagos na altura do incidente, JĂșlio Barroso confessa que nunca vai esquecer o ambiente de comoção e de uniĂŁo que se gerou entre a população e os turistas da Praia da Luz.
"Suscitou nas pessoas uma grande mågoa e um sentido de solidariedade e de entreajuda", lembra, dizendo recordar-se dos primeiros instantes, em que toda a população aderiu em massa para procurar "a mais pequena pista".
Para o ex-autarca, se num primeiro momento se registou uma quebra na procura de alojamento no aldeamento turĂstico onde Maddie desapareceu, agora Luz Ocean Club, "isso foi ultrapassado com relativa facilidade" porque se percebeu que se tratava de um caso isolado.
"Se inicialmente isso suscitou alguma dĂșvida sobre a segurança em Portugal e no Algarve estĂĄ mais que demonstrado que as pessoas nĂŁo atribuem qualquer responsabilidade Ă falta de mecanismos de segurança, policiais e atĂ© de prevenção", frisou.
Contudo, o caso permanece como um alerta "para aumentar os nĂveis de proteção", porque atĂ© no sĂtio "mais pacato do mundo", onde mais de 50% dos habitantes sĂŁo estrangeiros, pode acontecer.
Criada na zona da Praia da Luz, Catarina RĂȘgo recorda como hĂĄ dez anos nĂŁo se falava ali de outra coisa e de como havia a "tendĂȘncia para guardar as crianças", o que jĂĄ nĂŁo vĂȘ acontecer, hoje em dia.
"Inicialmente talvez as pessoas pensassem um bocadinho no assunto, hoje em dia nĂŁo noto qualquer repercussĂŁo a nĂvel do turismo nem uma preocupação nas famĂlias com crianças", observa.
Considerando que este é um caso que perdurarå na memória de todos, Catarina confessa que a população ainda sente "uma mågoa" relativamente ao caso, porque nunca ter ficado esclarecido o que realmente aconteceu.
Jerónimo Veiga, que vive hå vårios anos na Praia da Luz, confessa que até lhe custa trocar impressÔes sobre o caso e recorda como, numa fase inicial, os habitantes eram olhados de lado pelos turistas.
"No inĂcio desta situação o 'portuguesinho' da Praia da Luz era muito mal visto", relembra, contando que ainda hoje tem em casa um jornal com expressĂ”es pejorativas publicadas na Imprensa britĂąnica e que o revoltaram.
Ainda hoje, diz, pode haver alguns britĂąnicos que olham para os habitantes da Praia da Luz de maneira diferente, mas a vida continua na pequena vila junto ao mar, onde nunca mais se repetiu caso semelhante.
Another article we MUST bring over to the blog:
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Criança inglesa desaparecida na praia da Luz foi entregue na esquadra
DN/Lusa
27 DE JULHO DE 2017 14:49
Rapaz de sete anos estava na vila quando deixou de ser visto. Foi entregue na esquadra de Lagos, a 12 quilĂłmetros
Uma criança de nacionalidade inglesa desapareceu ao inĂcio da tarde de hoje na praia da Luz, em Lagos, Algarve. Foi entregue pouco tempo depois na esquadra da PSP na cidade de Lagos, a cerca de 12 quilĂłmetros da vila da Luz.
O alerta do desaparecimento foi dado pelas 12:30 atravĂ©s do nĂșmero de emergĂȘncia 112, algum tempo depois do desaparecimento da criança: "O menor terĂĄ desaparecido algum tempo antes e sĂł depois de os pais nĂŁo o conseguirem encontrar por meios prĂłprios Ă© que deram o alerta pelo nĂșmero de emergĂȘncia", disse fonte da GNR.
O menino, de sete anos, foi entregue Ă esquadra da PSP pouco depois das 13:00 por uma senhora. As autoridades estĂŁo a tentar perceber quem Ă© a senhora, em que circunstĂąncias Ă© que o menor foi encontrado e como Ă© que chegou Ă esquadra da PSP.
"Recebemos uma chamada da esquadra da PSP de Lagos a informar que tinham recebido um menor com as caracterĂsticas da criança desaparecida", continuou a fonte da GNR.
Após a chamada para o 112, a GNR acionou todos os meios e enviou para o local vårias brigadas, entre as quais, a de investigação criminal, indicou a fonte.
Em declaraçÔes Ă agĂȘncia Lusa, o CapitĂŁo do Porto de Lagos, Conceição Duarte, indicou que a PolĂcia MarĂtima foi informada do desaparecimento da criança, tendo efetuado diligĂȘncias nas proximidades da praia. Segundo Conceição Duarte, o desaparecimento ocorreu na vila e nĂŁo na praia.
Entretanto, um habitante da praia da Luz disse à Lusa que a GNR esteve a "bater de porta em porta, em busca de uma criança, que, segundo dizem, terå cerca de oito anos de idade".
De acordo com a fonte do Comando da GNR de Faro, as autoridades policiais vĂŁo prosseguir a investigação no sentido de esclarecer todas as incidĂȘncias do caso.
Foi na praia da Luz que hĂĄ 10 anos desapareceu Maddie McCann, na altura com trĂȘs anos. O paradeiro da menina inglesa nunca foi descoberto.
(Atualizada às 16:30 com informação acerca do aparecimento da criança)
And another article we MUST bring over to the blog:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4736208/British-boy-goes-missing-Praia-da-Luz.html
Kate and Gerry McCann express 'huge relief' after Portuguese police find a British boy who went missing in Praia da Luz where their daughter Maddeleine disappeared 10 years ago
The couple's spokesman said they are 'thankful' the family's ordeal is over
Police told the parents of boy they could be charged with child abandonment
The child was reported missing in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz today
Police launched a search operation but he has since been found safe and well
It comes ten years after Madeleine McCann disappeared in the same resort
By Tracey Kandohla and Gerard Couzens for MailOnline
Published: 15:12 BST, 27 July 2017 | Updated: 21:21 BST, 27 July 2017
The parents of Madeleine McCann have said they are 'hugely relieved' that a young British boy has been found safe after disappearing from the same holiday resort where their daughter was kidnapped 10 years ago.
The couple said they understand the seven-year-old youngster's family would have been 'frantic with worry' and are thankful their ordeal was such short-lived.
Family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said tonight: 'It is a huge relief that the child concerned has been found, and we hope safe and well. Luckily for the family the trauma it is over in just a matter of hours.
'Kate and Gerry are aware the boy's parents would have been frantic with worry. It is such a traumatic time when any child goes missing.'
He added: 'It is over for this family, thankfully.'
The boy's parents were facing further agony after being told a police file is being passed to prosecutors to decide whether they should be charged with child abandonment after it emerged the seven-year-old vanished after getting ahead of them as they walked into Praia da Luz.
They lost sight of the youngster around 11.40am as they walked down a hill known locally as Ponta Negra to the east of the holiday resort where Madeleine, then three, disappeared from her parents' holiday apartment.
Police sources said they spent nearly an hour looking for him before calling 999 at 12.30pm.
The alarm sparked a major police response, with specialist criminal investigation officers mobilised.
An all-ports alert was sounded and police roadblocks began to be set up. Locals also reported police from Portugal's GNR force were making door-to-door inquiries in the area.
Maritime Police were also asked to get involved and carried out searches near Praia da Luz beach.
The search, set to be stepped up with the arrival of a specialist team from Lisbon, was called off around 1pm after the youngster was taken into a police station in Lagos near Praia da Luz.
It was initially thought he had arrived at the station around 4pm.
But police spokesman Sandra Panazete, who works for Portugal's PSP force said this afternoon: 'Around 1pm a 65-year-old British man appeared at the PSP station in Lagos with a seven year-old British boy who he found in Praia da Luz.
'Apparently the boy approached him asking for help as the man was speaking in English.
'The boy was okay. He didn't look injured, just fine and relaxed.
'At 1.30pm father and four GNR police officers went to the police station to pick him up.'
A source close to the inquiry said there was no suggestion the boy had come to any harm whatsoever while he was missing.
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ReplyDeleteHe said the youngster had got lost after getting ahead of his parents as they walked down Ponta Negra Hill towards the town of Praia da Luz and its beach.
The well-placed source said: 'They had the boy in their sight but got worried as they were nearing town and started running to reach him but lost sight of him.
'It was around 11.40am. They tried to look for him but with no joy and made an emergency call at 12.30pm.
'The first GNR police got into Praia da Luz around 12.40pm.
'Border police and other authorities were informed as per standard procedure and officers were activating more resources and establishing a security perimeter when they got a call from the PSP to say the boy was at their station in Lagos.'
Last night authorities confirmed police would be reporting the episode to prosecutors so they could decide whether to take further action.
An insider said: 'It is highly unlikely this will go any further but the GNR is obliged to act in this way.'
Praia da Luz is still synonymous with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, then three, from her family holiday apartment on May 3 2007.
Scotland Yard and a Portuguese police team are still probing the mystery more than ten years on.
We would like for readers to note that this article was originally only written by Gerard Couzens and the title was "BREAKING NEWS: British boy goes missing in Praia da Luz..." (only this was what we were only able to screenshot from FB) and had no mention of the McCanns.
DeleteIt's hilarious to read "Last night authorities confirmed police would be reporting the episode to prosecutors so they could decide whether to take further action" when things happened today.
Where I'm staying I don't get CMTV, only RTP, SIC and TVI.
Of the RTP evening news, didn't see because at 20:00 they were showing a women's football game between Portugal and England. So the news were earlier, and don't know if the case was mentioned.
On SIC, there was a very, very short piece about it after the break for commercials, the main news being the forest fires happening in the country.
On TVI absolutely no mention whatsoever.
This is quite transparent. When one thought the other side had sunk their lowest, we keep getting surprised with a new low.
To note, and that is worrying, that Kanddohla seems to have changed sides again after having criticised heavily the McCanns about them vowing to go to the ECHR and backing down and also after writing an article where it was stated that the Met investigation had NOT come to a dead end.
Original article:
DeleteNEWS
British boy is found safe and well after going missing in Praia da Luz – tem years after Madeleine McCann disappeared in the same Portuguese resort
By Gerard Couzens for MailOnline
27 July 2017 15:12
The child was reported missing in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz today
Police launched a search operation but he has since been found safe and well
It comes ten years after Madeleine McCann disappeared in the same resort
A British boy has been found safe and well today after going missing in Praia da Luz – ten years after disappearance of Madeleine McCann in the same resort-
Police launched a search operation after the youngster, aged about eight, went missing in the Portuguese town.
The Policia Judiciairia, the force involved in the search for Madeleine McCann, mobilised a specialist team in Lisbon before they heard the boy was safe.
Officers from the GNR force, the police force which was first on the scene after Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, were also conducting house-to-house inquiries in Praia da Luz when the good news came through.
It was understood he was taken to a police station in the town of Lagos near to Praia da Luz rather than reaching the station himself.
The circumstances in which he was found have not yet been made clear.
A source said: ‘He arrived at the police station in Lagos around 4 pm.’
The unnamed boy, thought to be aged around eight, disappeared around midday.
Initial reports said he was last seen on the beach at Praia da Luz although local Maritime Police chief Conceicao Duarte later said he disappeared in town.
The exact location he was last seen at is not yet known.
Madeleine was three when she vanished while on holiday with her parents in Praia da Luz on May 3 2007.
The Metropolitan Police received an extra £85,000 earlier this year from the Home Office to continue the Operation Grange investigation into Maddie’s disappearance.
But the cash dries up at the end of September, with officers still determined to find the youngster who went missing in Portugal 10 years ago.
Earlier this month, it was reported that Scotland Yard is chasing a lead it believes it could crack the case and it is believed they have returned to a theory that burglars were involved.
But the Portuguese police, who have previously accused the British of acting like a ‘colonial power’ in their country, say there’s no evidence to back this up.
Carlos Anjos, the former head of the country’s Policia Judiciaria officer’s union, said the Metropolitan Police theory that Madeleine was taken in a botched burglary is ‘absurd’.
Parents Gerry and Kate led prayer services in May to mark the 10 year anniversary of her disappearance and said they had not given up hope and would ‘overcome despair’.
Writing a message on the Find Madeleine website, Mrs McCann told how ‘stressful and painful’ the ‘unwanted’ occasion was.
Madeleine was found missing from her bed in the rented apartment by her horrified mother shortly after 10pm on May 3 2007.
She had been left alone with her younger twin siblings Sean and Amelie while her parents were dining in the nearby Tapas restaurant with their seven pals, who became known collectively as the Tapas Nine.
And the third version of same article:
DeleteMoment British boy who went missing in Portugese resort where Madeleine McCann was last seen poses with his thumbs up beside smiling police officers after he is found safe and well
The photo shows the youngster, seven, posing with four grinning police officers
Police told the parents of boy they could be charged with child abandonment
The child was reported missing in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz today
Police launched a search operation but he has since been found safe and well
The McCann's spokesman said they are 'thankful' the family's ordeal is over
It comes ten years after Madeleine McCann disappeared in the same resort
By Joe Sheppard and Tracey Kandohla and Gerard Couzens for MailOnline
Published: 15:12 BST, 27 July 2017 | Updated: 21:54 BST, 27 July 2017
Police have been pictured posing with a young British boy who was found safe after he went missing in the same holiday resort where Madeleine McCann was kidnapped 10 years ago.
The photograph, which was uploaded to social media, shows the youngster, seven, stood in the middle of four grinning officers.
His disappearance from the Praia da Luz resort, in Portugal, sparked a major police response that saw specialist criminal investigation officers mobilised and road blocks ordered.
The frantic search was called off after about an hour when the boy was brought into a police station by a British pensioner he had approached for help.
The youngster's parents were facing further agony after being told a police file is being passed to prosecutors to decide whether they should be charged with child abandonment after it emerged the youngster vanished after getting ahead of them as they walked into Praia da Luz.
The parents of Madeleine McCann said they are 'hugely relieved' that the boy was found safe.
Family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said tonight: 'It is a huge relief that the child concerned has been found, and we hope safe and well. Luckily for the family the trauma it is over in just a matter of hours.
'Kate and Gerry are aware the boy's parents would have been frantic with worry. It is such a traumatic time when any child goes missing.'
He added: 'It is over for this family, thankfully.'
The parents lost sight of the boy at around 11.40am as they walked down a hill known locally as Ponta Negra to the east of the holiday resort where Madeleine, then three, disappeared from her parents' holiday apartment.
They spent nearly an hour looking for him before calling 999 at 12.30pm, police sources said.
An all-ports alert was sounded and police roadblocks began to be set up. Locals also reported police from Portugal's GNR force were making door-to-door inquiries in the area.
Maritime Police were also asked to get involved and carried out searches near Praia da Luz beach.
The search, set to be stepped up with the arrival of a specialist team from Lisbon, was called off at around 1pm after the youngster was taken into a police station in Lagos near Praia da Luz.
It was initially thought he had arrived at the station around 4pm.
But police spokesman Sandra Panazete, who works for Portugal's PSP force said this afternoon: 'Around 1pm a 65-year-old British man appeared at the PSP station in Lagos with a seven year-old British boy who he found in Praia da Luz.
'Apparently the boy approached him asking for help as the man was speaking in English.
(Cont)
(Cont)
Delete'The boy was okay. He didn't look injured, just fine and relaxed.
'At 1.30pm father and four GNR police officers went to the police station to pick him up.'
A source close to the inquiry said there was no suggestion the boy had come to any harm whatsoever while he was missing.
He said the youngster had got lost after getting ahead of his parents as they walked down Ponta Negra Hill towards the town of Praia da Luz and its beach.
The well-placed source said: 'They had the boy in their sight but got worried as they were nearing town and started running to reach him but lost sight of him.
'It was around 11.40am. They tried to look for him but with no joy and made an emergency call at 12.30pm.
'The first GNR police got into Praia da Luz around 12.40pm.
'Border police and other authorities were informed as per standard procedure and officers were activating more resources and establishing a security perimeter when they got a call from the PSP to say the boy was at their station in Lagos.'
Last night authorities confirmed police would be reporting the episode to prosecutors so they could decide whether to take further action.
An insider said: 'It is highly unlikely this will go any further but the GNR is obliged to act in this way.'
Praia da Luz is still synonymous with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, then three, from her family holiday apartment on May 3 2007.
Scotland Yard and a Portuguese police team are still probing the mystery more than ten years on.
Would like to inform readers that today, in the Algarve, at around 19:30, I approached 4 GNR officers (2 on bikes and 2 on foot) and asked them question about jurisdictions between the various authorities in reference with this case which I had, and will talk about them when I have to time to write about this.
ReplyDeleteNone of them knew about the missing boy in Luz. Repeat, at 19:30 today 4 GNR officers on duty by the beach did not know anything about any missing British boy.
In fact they appeared to be quite surprised when I told them that a British boy had gone missing in Praia da Luz earlier today.
All were very polite and answered fully all my questions.
This is all very odd that the police in Portugal were not aware of the little boy, it makes you wonder what game is being played by the MSM. I did notice one of the daily mail articles had gone back to the burglary theory which I also thought was odd. To me it looks like the public are being prepared for an outcome of neglect.
ReplyDeletePlease note I did not say the GNR was not aware.
DeleteWhat I said is that 4 GNR officers on duty by the beach area where I'm staying did not know.
This says that no alarm was sent by the GNR to all of its structure. It's perfectly natural for GNR in Sagres not to be aware of minor occurrences dealt with the GNR of Albufeira, for example.
Making the point that for the GNR at least, it was a minor occurrence in Luz.
With thanks to Ben Thompson on FB:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/833796/boy-missing-Praia-Da-Luz-Madeleine-McCann-missing-2007/amp
http://rtlec.co.uk/latest-news/parents-of-british-boy-7-who-vanished-from-maddie-resort-could-face-child-abandonment-charges/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4113168/british-boy-missing-on-praia-de-luz-madeleine-mccann/
And with the British boy who ALLEGEDLY went missing in Praia da Luz, the Ben Needham stories about blood, decomposition, dogs, body removal, cover-ups, etc. have gone out the window haven't they?
ReplyDeleteMaybe not a coincidence.
Sorry I misunderstood about the GNR, thanks for explaining.
ReplyDeleteIt's difficult to work out what is going on, I know you often point out how the two sides put news out in the MSM, maybe this is a battle being played out by both sides.
Maybe the other side consists of some elements belonging to mainstream media?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3883882/amp/The-scent-death-Researchers-reveal-smells-cadaver-dogs-trained-sniff-out.html
ReplyDeleteIt has been called to our attention this tweet:
ReplyDeletehttps://mobile.twitter.com/LoveTextusa/status/893578212361605121
And yes, we also found the comment, or better said the reply to a comment in our post "Insane's plea to temporary insanity", VERY interesting.
http://textusa.blogspot.pt/2011/03/insanes-plea-to-temporary-insanity.html
https://mobile.twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/893782845046628353
ReplyDeleteThis is why dogs trained on pigs can be further trained to detect human remains only
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4201196/madeleine-mccanns-parents-thank-supporters-for-continuing-to-be-on-our-side-as-they-wait-to-see-if-investigation-will-get-cash-boost/
ReplyDeletehttps://www.amazon.com/MISSING-MURDERED-CHILDRENS-NOTHING-MADELEINE-ebook/dp/B074MHK6W1/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1502288059&sr=8-7&keywords=madeleine+mccann
ReplyDeletePat Browns satirical piece...available for free!!
Not read it myself
i wanted to read other peoples comments but I could not scroll down properly.
ReplyDeleteTextusa,
ReplyDeleteI want let you know that I am here(*), and follow you, re-re-re-read you, admire you and that I'm so, so grateful for your work.
Merci.
*I mean : It is not because I don't write that I don't read.
Your post :2011/01 !!!! "Who took the "reason" out of "reasonable doubt"?" = So right, si juste.
Also always moved by readers. Not because of what they say, no, I wonder often what became of them ?
Les choses simples et "normales" de la vie, simplement.I hope.
It's more than enough.
Without too much unwanted accidents. They may happen.
All what happened to you, Textusa, to your family, friends...the good, the bad...during these 10 years, that is something that moves me a lot while reading your blog.
After all the lies, WHO will take the first step ?
Une si simple et triste affaire ! becoming what it was since day one :"It's a disaster" ! Yes, it is, Gerry. It was. It will always be, thanks to you and Kate and MSM ,celebrities and rich and powerfull people, governements.....
Downing at Downing street. (Pardon George).
Hello ! HelllloOOO ? Number 10 !?
NOBODY there for Madeleine, for Justice ? For taxpayers, citizens ?
I hope that one day the dominant model (*)will be able to leave its "false self".
(*)a man + a woman + 1 or 2 or 3 ?? children +house + dog etc..
Let's hope that 10 years after, mentalities have changed a little bit.
Let's hope that the politicians courage stepped up a gear.
HOPE.
Hello Textusa
ReplyDeleteSigo-a hĂĄ anos.
Achei que este artigo poderia ser interessante para vĂłs.
https://www.gq.com/story/inside-a-clothing-optional-resort-for-swingers?mbid=social_facebook
http://theconversation.com/for-sniffing-out-crime-and-missing-persons-science-backs-blood-detection-dogs-82213
ReplyDeletehttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/unsolved-murder-of-gregory-villemin-4-still-haunts-france-tf9tcw77g
ReplyDeleteI read that article and it likened the case to Mc Cann - said it was France's version of the Mc Cann mystery. It then went on to say that investigation was returning full circle to investigate the family / relatives....
DeleteHere we go....interesting responses to the tweet. https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNewsTonight/status/899715318397886465
ReplyDeleteAine22,
DeletePlease check this one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/M_McIntyre84/status/899720952057143296
We think we could answer this question on behalf of Sky News :)
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/22/police-investigating-death-at-flamefest-in-tunbridge-wells-adult-festival-kent
ReplyDeleteGood heavens - Tunbridge Wells!
It's the epitome of posh
Hyacinth Bouquet would like to live there
Sounds like a game gone wrong
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4799778/amp/Sleepy-town-uproar-500-swingers-set-descend.html
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theportugalnews.com/news/madeleine-mccann-uk-police-want-more-funds/42922
ReplyDeleteSonia Poulton has said this on facebook....
ReplyDeleteScotland Yard want more money to continue the search for Madeleine McCann...but serving cops - at least four of them - have told me that within the ranks it's considered 'one of the biggest cover ups in British history'.
That partly explains why Metropolitan Police officers contributed to the fund of Goncalo Amaral - the Portuguese ex-cop who led the hunt for Madeleine and whose life was shattered after he wrote and broadcast about it (he won the case, incidentally, for those who don't know).
I've been told that ministers will agree to the demands for more money. We shall see.
Still, what's £11m PLUS for one search if it means it can stall any potentially explosive media explorations into the story that cannot be aired while a live investigation is ongoing?
It's a drop in the ocean to all the people who are deeply invested in ensuring that only the theory of abduction is pursued.
To be clear: I'm not making any accusations against anyone but I am saying that this is a case that is most definitely not what it appears to be....
I cannot access her page to give link maybe someone else could oblige just to confirm.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4813148/Maddie-s-parents-plead-vile-trolls-stop-abuse.html
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 23 Aug 2017, 09:55:00,
Deletehttps://mobile.twitter.com/JamesWoods84/status/900289523006963713
Someone we fully agree with.
https://mobile.twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/900289074140925952
DeleteMcs are asking THEIR supporters not to be abusive in Mail article
https://mobile.twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/900418962499878912
DeletePros are disowning Mr Twitter :)
Anonymous 23 Aug 2017, 21:00:00,
DeleteYes, it appears to be the case. Interesting, isn't it?
Anonymous 23 Aug 2017, 21:00:00,
DeleteYes, it appears to be the case. Interesting, isn't it?
Textusa 11:01
ReplyDeleteYes I agree too- again the neglect is happily being pushed....
Dont really know what to make Sonia Poulton....here she is talking to Nick Ferrari...
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/14ArWCRhPoc
Dear identified "do not publish!" at 24 Aug 2017, 19:58:00,
ReplyDeleteWe fully agree with you.
Or better, our opinion only differs from yours in the terms that we don't have nay suspicions but certainties - as far as one can be certain with pure assessments - that you are assessment is totally correct.
We don't, and won't, comment or give an opinion about that particular character, so as not to give it any sort of importance which basically is what the person in question seeks. A minor and irrelevant player on all counts.
We hope we have answered you.
Yet another from Mr Ickes former employee....this time with an alledged conversation with Amy Tierney.....I ve posted this because Ms T makes an accusation about RM
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/sonia.poulton/posts/10156521244708976?comment_id=10156522410988976¬if_t=feed_comment_reply¬if_id=1503609575115526
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4826306/School-keeping-place-open-Madeleine-McCann.html
ReplyDeleteScotland Yard is looking for Madeleine’s secret in Athens
ReplyDeletehttp://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/08/28/madeleine-mccann-greece/#.WaPKq8E9BMU.facebook
Anonymous 28 Aug 2017, 09:00:00,
DeleteWeren't also the Needham's who were buoyed up by a Greek prisoner's word that he knew who had abducted Ben?
Bringing this over to the blog:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/08/28/11/13/madeleine-mccann-webpage-under-fire-over-free-speech-and-charity-status-claims
Madeleine McCann webpage under fire over free speech and charity status claims
By Mark Saunokonoko
11:13am Aug 28, 2017
The official Find Madeleine McCann Facebook page has been criticised over controversial rules that appear to shut down the right to free speech.
Members of the public have also accused the McCann Facebook page of misleadingly proclaiming it is an official charity, instead of being correctly categorised as a limited liability company.
British girl Madeleine is still missing after mysteriously vanishing from her family's holiday apartment in Portugal more than ten years ago, in May 2007.
Those people who ask questions or "analyse the investigation" on the Find Madeleine Facebook page, operated by a family friend, will be banned, according to a post titled 'Rules of the Road'.
Facebook users will also be immediately ejected from the group if they attempt to debate parenting decisions about when it is appropriate to use babysitting services.
"Please don't post your opinion on leaving children alone. Doing so will result in you being banned. No questions asked," the post states in large red font.
"This is our page and we ultimately have the say on the content and tone ... anyone criticising Madeleine or her family in any way, will be banned."
Doctors Kate and Gerry McCann claimed somebody entered their two-bedroom unit while they were eating tapas with friends at a nearby resort restaurant and abducted Madeleine while she slept next to her younger brother and sister.
The lead detective on arguably the world's highest profile missing persons' case later wrote a book theorising Maddie died in an accident and her parents faked an abduction and disposed of her body.
Parents Kate and Gerry have always steadfastly denied any wrongdoing in the disappearance of their daughter, and Portugal's detectives shelved the case in 2008.
In a huge outpouring of sympathy and support following the alleged abduction, it was estimated almost $6.5m was donated to the official Find Madeleine Fund.
However, despite best practice, the fund was never set up as a registered charity and is in fact a limited liability company.
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ReplyDeleteLast week, after sustained pressure, the Find Madeleine Facebook page quietly changed its official status from a "charity" to "community".
A key difference between a charity and limited liability company is the level of detail it is required by law to publically divulge each year.
Since its inception in 2007, the official fund, Leave No Stone Unturned Ltd, has only ever published the bare minimum of detail over how it has spent the millions of dollars donated by the public.
The Find Madeleine website claims because the organisation is currently focused on searching for one child only, Madeleine McCann, it cannot register as a charity.
Last week it was reported Operation Grange, led by London Metropolitan detectives, will next month request further funding from the UK government to continue the search for Madeleine.
Funding is due to expire in September, after almost $18m has so far been spent on an investigation that has to date yielded nothing.
In May, nine.com.au reported Scotland Yard's six-year investigation into Madeleine's disappearance was a poisoned chalice laced with critical errors because of a high level agenda to not interrogate the child's parents.
US criminal profiler Pat Brown has also been heavily critical of Operation Grange.
"What Scotland Yard was doing was not a proper investigation," Brown earlier told nine.com.au.
"Scotland Yard went in saying the McCanns are not suspects, and that [the disappearance of Maddie] is an abduction. There is absolutely no way you should have entered an investigation saying that.
"They spent a tremendous amount of time following the most ridiculous leads ever. It was like watching a massive charade."
FOLLOW: Nine News podcast exploring Madeleine McCann case by Mark Saunokonoko coming soon
© Nine Digital Pty Ltd 2017
Move from one side of the game. We are bringing only what we consider relevant of the article out, leaving rest of article out (all caps are ours):
ReplyDeletehttps://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4328242/madeleine-mccann-old-school-holds-place-for-her/
'WE'D WELCOME MADDIE BACK TO CLASS'
Madeleine McCann’s old school still holds a place open for her – and missing tot would be due to start her GCSEs this week
The family's vicar said the teens Maddie would be friends with are all praying for her to 'come home soon'
Exclusive
By Tracey Kandohla
26th August 2017, 3:57 pm
Updated: 27th August 2017, 10:40 am
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Kate and husband Gerry cling onto a glimmer of hope and belief that their daughter could be found alive after being snatched more than 10 years ago from a Portuguese holiday resort.
The family’s local vicar the Rev. Rob Gladstone told how the co-ed Catholic secondary was still holding a place for her. He said: “She would be going into Year 10 and they welcome her return.”
He added: “THERE IS NO EVIDENCE MADELEINE HAS DIED. We encourage Kate and Gerry in faith, hope, strength, perseverance and courage.”
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As Maddie’s parents face the heartache of seeing their daughter’s peer group step aboard the fresh educational challenge they are also enduring the agony OF STILL NOT KNOWING IF THE POLICE HUNT INTO HER DISAPPEARANCE WILL CONTINUE.
Scotland Yard detectives have just five weeks left of guaranteed Government funding to keep the investigation codenamed Operation Grange, and which has already cost taxpayers’
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"But they refuse to give up hope and really believe that she could be out there somewhere waiting to be found.
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Kate and renowned heart doctor Gerry, 49, HAVE “NO IDEA” IF THE MET POLICE INQUIRY into Maddie’s disappearance from The Algarve’s Praia da Luz in May 2007 IS SET TO CONTINUE.
SPECULATION is growing that cops are set to ask the Home Office for a new cash boost in October to keep their search – which has so far failed to unearth any vital new clues – going.
The Yard announced two months ago their “investigation is continuing with focus and determination” but time could now be running out for police to solve the case.
Maddie was just nine days away from her fourth birthday when she was snatched from an apartment.
She and the twins had been left alone sleeping while her parents were dining with pals in a nearby tapas restaurant.
Kate and Gerry have vowed to “leave no stone unturned” in the painstaking search for their eldest child.
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ReplyDeleteMet Police have Home Office funding in place until the end of September to try and crack the world’s biggest ever child disappearances. They must submit an application IF they need further money during the second half the current financial year which will then be considered but not guaranteed by a Special Grants committee.
Officers were given an extra £85,000 in April to extend controversial Op Grange to cover six months amid speculation detectives were closing in on a suspect.
A Scotland Yard spokesperson today refused to say IF they had submitted a request for public money.
She said: “Funding is in place until the end of September. Any details about future funding will be released when appropriate.”
A Home Office spokesperson also declined to comment ON WHETHER THEY HAD RECEIVED SUCH AN APPLICATION. She said: “The level of funding provided is a reflection of the wide-ranging and complex nature of the investigation which the police have deemed necessary to undertake.
“Any further requests from the Metropolitan Police Service will be considered. The resources required are reviewed regularly and as with all Special Grant applications careful consideration is given before any new funding is allocated.”
Maddie’s parents are said to be “buoyed up” and “extremely grateful” by the Met’s continuing efforts to find their daughter. In their latest anniversary message to mark “a decade of pain” in May they said: “Thankfully there is an active police investigation to try and find Madeleine and bring her abductor to justice.”
It came as the force’s Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said they were still “critical leads” to pursue. Speaking to mark the milestone event the top cop said there were “significant investigative avenues” that are of “great interest” to both the UK and Portuguese teams.
He said: “We want to solve it, we want a breakthrough, adding “there is no definite evidence” proving Madeleine is alive or dead.”
McCann spokesman Clarence Mitchell said HE IS NOT AWARE IF POLICE ARE SEEKING MORE FUNDING, saying: “We have no idea, we have not been told.” But he believes officers will ask for a cash injection and thinks ‘'it will probably be approved.”
He told The Sun Online: “If the Met Police do ask for more funding and it is approved obviously Kate and Gerry would be very pleased, and it would show that officers still feel there is a sufficient amount of work left to be done which requires extra funding and is encouraging.”
So funding, or the request for funding is speculation?
DeleteFunny to see Sky News and other MSM outlets report as news mere speculation...
Response to the Kandohla article from the opposing side. We will let readers figure out which side is which:
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'We still have work to do' Madeleine McCann police vow to continue search
DETECTIVES searching for Madeleine McCann have vowed to “see the investigation through” and said: “It’s not finished until it’s finished.”
By James Murray, Exclusive
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sun, Aug 27, 2017 | UPDATED: 00:17, Sun, Aug 27, 2017
They will not stop their inquiry until they have conclusively established what happened to her, insiders said.
A source said: ‘‘The detectives are trying with as much energy as they did when Operation Grange started in 2011 to see this through and find her.
“That is all they can do. Their view on how long that will take is that it will only be finished when it is finished. They still have work to do and while that is the case they will carry on.
“There is no sense of wanting to throw in the towel.”
It emerged last week that senior Yard officers are considering a further request for six months of financial support from the Home Office, even though current funding does not run out until the end of next month.
Policing minister Mike Penning is expected to agree to further funding, costing around £90,000, but as he is relatively new in the job sources suggest he wants to know specific details of where the investigation is going and how close the Yard is to solving the mystery.
Mr Penning’s predecessor, Brandon Lewis, was fully supportive of the Yard’s efforts and was well briefed on the case, but senior officers know they are now dealing with a new minister and will have to give a fuller account of how the Home Office’s £11million has been spent so far and why more money is needed.
While the funding issue will be addressed in the coming weeks, sources say Kate and Gerry McCann are impressed by the continued commitment of the Yard team, headed by Detective Chief Superintendent Nicola Wall.
The team of four detectives working on Operation Grange have painstakingly probed a variety of theories, including the possibility that Madeleine was taken from her holiday apartment on May 3, 2007 at Praia da Luz on the Algarve when a burglary went wrong.
At the time of the tenth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance last May, Scotland Yard announced they had stopped their investigation into Portuguese burglary suspects as they “did not find any evidence to further implicate the individuals in the disappearance”.
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ReplyDeleteEarlier this year the Sunday Express reported that detectives were urgently seeking a woman who, it was felt, had important information on the case. Scotland Yard have said they will not comment on specific lines of inquiry or give a running commentary on what work they are doing.
The lines of inquiry being pursued now have become more complicated than at first thought, which is causing delays and some frustration.
Madeleine, who was nearly four when she vanished without trace from her family’s rented holiday apartment, would now be 14.
A spokesman for the McCann family said: “The fact that the police feel there is still work to be done which needs funding is very encouraging. They remain grateful to all the officers in the investigation.”
Scotland Yard said: “Funding is in place until the end of September. Any details about future funding will be released when appropriate.”
The Home Office said any further funding request will be “considered carefully”.
Meanwhile freelance journalist Sonia Poulton is looking for a TV firm to broadcast a documentary she has made on the case.
She said: “I have been working with a production company and we have been to Portugal and spoken with many people.”
Kate and Gerry McCann, both 49, of Rothley, Leicestershire, have been trying to stop trolling over the case. Their web site states: “Please do not feed trolls. Trolls feed on havoc and causing chaos.”
Hi Textusa,forgive me if I am wrong,but hasn't Tracey Kandahola,highlighted the school that the Twins are attending and has a"Close"relationship to Kate,Gerry?
Deleteso in this day of"Modern Technology"DNA excluded? That the Family are concerned naturally on the children's welfare,Face Book/Twitter and revelations of their sister,Madeleine,why would Tracey highlight the School or Vicar(Anglican)at which School Madeleine has not atteneded or presumably joined had Madeleine suddenly disappeared?
Rope into this Story of one Sonia Poulton,who has yet to unveil her documentary of how the Media had harassed with nasty pernicious comments,Martin brunt,"Well,sweepface@,Your Identity isn't a secret anymore"Rest In Peace Mrs Brenda Leyland,treated abysmablly by a Metropolitan Police Commander,sir Bernard Hogan Howe and the fore mentioned personnel followed by Gerry,Big Jim Gamble wishing for some"Atonement"to be dished out to a person simply want answers to Questions that were never quite answered for in Portugal?
Was this due to an heavy influx of UK based Police Officers,brought into "Assist"the family whose child had been Reported missing 3 May 2007 from apartment 5a Ocean Club apartment?
It will be very interesting should any Former or Present Police Officers be brought before any court for "Misconduct In Public Office"eh Theresa May?
http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/madeleine-mccann-still-alive-and-could-be-minutes-from-where-she-disappeared-claims-exdetective-36076016.html
ReplyDeleteThis smacks of desperation!
Absolutely shameful that the Belfast Telegraph would run such a story in 2017. Even the shameless British tabloids would stoop to that level. I would love to know where all these murders that's Edgar investigated and solved particularly ones that involved dumping of a body, besides paramilitary killings where there was very different reasons for dumping a body I can only think of one and Edgar certainly wasn't involved in investigating that.
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Michael Walker @walkercan1000
Aw bless, the #mccann Trolls have been banned from making nasty judgmental comments to a grieving family. Let them start their own group.
11:43 AM · 28 de ago de 2017
Grieving family!? Interesting word used by Mr Twitter...
https://www.facebook.com/helpfindben/posts/1751824334845967
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2 hrs · Turnovo, Bulgaria ·
Message from Kerry Needham. Please please share
#helpfindben đ
Thank you for everyone's continued support.
It's nearly 1 year since South Yorkshire Detectives came to us and told us they had received information from witnesses on kos that Ben could have been killed on the day he vanished. This information led to a team of dedicated officers doing a full excavation of the area where Ben was last seen and also a second site.
It is the detectives and our belief that Ben had been hit by a digger and his body removed from the area. The person responsible has unfortunately died so he is unable to give us any information so we as Ben's loving family beg and plead with anyone who can tell us where Ben's body is. We know there are more people on the island of Kos who know more than what they've already said and we urge them to speak out and let us bring my baby home so we can grieve xx
Even though Kerry Needham says "the person responsible has unfortunately died", clearly implying that according to her it was Mr Barkas who killed Ben, we still have to hear from South Yorkshire Police that it was him.
DeleteOnly the media and Kerry Needham have pinned Ben's death on Mr Barkas.
Even though Kerry Needham states that in today’s Facebook post that “it is the detectives and our belief that Ben had been hit by a digger and his body removed from the ĂĄrea”, the Sun still insists on that “to this day no one knows if Ben is alive or dead.”:
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MISSING FOR 26 YEARS
Ben Needham disappearance and search timeline and what the toddler would look like now
Police have investigated a number of leads including claims the toddler was taken by gypsies
by Holly Christodoulou
29th August 2017, 1:12 pm
Updated: 29th August 2017, 1:26 pm
TWENTY six years ago, toddler Ben Needham was playing at his grandparents' farmhouse in Kos when he vanished, never to be seen again.
His bloodied sandal and toy car were discovered after police carried out a huge excavation of the site where the 21-month-old disappeared on July 24, 1991.
We reveal all.
Who is Ben Needham and how did he disappear?
On the day of his disappearance, little Ben was being looked after by his grandparents while mum Kerry went to work at a local hotel.
At first, the family began to search nearby for the tot, assuming that he had wandered off, but no sign of Ben was found.
Eventually the search was widened, but to no avail. To this day no one knows if Ben is alive or dead.
Cops believe he was accidentally hit by a digger driven by Konstantinos Barkas but there has been no sign of his body.
What happened in the search for Ben Needham in Kos?
In September last year, police began massive excavation work in Kos and said they were "optimistic” it would provide answers.
This is the 26-year search for missing Ben:
- July 24 1991: Ben Needham vanishes while playing near the grounds of a farmhouse in the Iraklis region of Kos, which his family are renovating. His mother, Kerry Needham, and grandparents raise the alarm with local police and conduct a full search of the area.
- July 26 1991: Eyewitness reports claim a boy matching Ben's description was found at the local airport on the day he disappeared. That boy has never been traced.
- September 1991: The Needham family return to England due to illness but vow to continue the search.
- June 2003: The Metropolitan Police issue an image of what Ben might look like at age 12 - 14 years old.
- 2004: An anonymous businessman offers a reward of £500,000 for information leading to Ben's safe return.
October 2010: Another public appeal is made by Ben's mother in the run-up to what would be his 21st birthday.
- May 2011: The BBC airs a programme called Missing 2011, which includes a piece on Ben's story and the campaign to find him.
- September 2011: Greek police on Kos officially re-open the case and grant the family a face-to-face meeting with the island's prosecutor.
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ReplyDelete- October 2012: South Yorkshire Police in Kos begin digging up mounds around the property where Ben went missing to look for his remains.
- December 2013: Ben's mother accuses then-Prime Minister David Cameron of not giving her case the same backing as he gave the parents of Madeline McCann. It comes as a dossier is produced containing reports from eight witnesses, none of who know each other, who all saw a boy possibly matching Ben's description with the same Greek family.
- December 2014: Lawyers representing Ben's family say they may take legal action to try to force the Government to make a decision about funding a new police investigation.
- January 2015: The Home Office agrees to fund a team of British detectives to help search for the toddler.
- March/April 2015: Three generations of Ben Needham's family travel to Greece to follow up a "strong" lead that a man living there believes he may be the missing Brit due to having no photographs of himself under the age of two and no knowledge of where he was born. The man is later ruled out.
- May 2015: Ben's family make a fresh appeal on Greek television for information regarding the disappearance.
May 2016: The Sun reveals how members of the police operation went on an eight-hour booze-up in Kos during the latest stage of the investigation.
- September 2016: Ben's family are told to "prepare for the worst" by detectives leading the investigation, amid the belief the 21-month-old was crushed to death by a digger - the driver of which died in 2015. It comes as police arrive in Kos to begin excavation work in the belief the boy's remains may be buried near the farmhouse.
- October 15, 2016: On the penultimate day of a three week search at two locations - Site 1, near the farmhouse, and Site 2, a landfill site - an item which is believed to have belonged to Ben is discovered.
- October 16, 2016: After digging up more than 800 tonnes of soil, the excavation work comes to an end with any items of interest sent back to the UK for forensic analysis.
- October 17, 2016: South Yorkshire Police DI Jon Cousins announces the discovery of an item that backs up their theory Ben died following an accident near the farmhouse on the day he disappeared.
- July 24, 2017: It emerges blood was found on a sandal and toy car belonging to Ben. The sandal was found in 2012 at the site where Konstantinos “Dino” Barkas was operating a digger, while the car was discovered last year at another spot. Ben's mum makes another heartbreaking appeal for information.
What would Ben Needham look like now?
Police released an image in 2013 of what they believe Ben would look like as an adult.
The artist impression showed a man with sandy blonde hair and blue eyes.
In 2016, police eliminated 30 people who resembled the image using DNA.
There have been more than 300 sightings of boys matching Ben's description both on the Greek mainland and Greek islands.
His mum Kerry has confirmed that cops are working on potentially new leads.
Urging people to get in touch with South Yorkshire Police, she said there's "a lot going on behind the scenes".
Please note that although article states that "the sandal was found in 2012 at the site where Konstantinos “Dino” Barkas was operating a digger" when it details what hapenned in 2012 it says:
Delete"- October 2012: South Yorkshire Police in Kos begin digging up mounds around the property where Ben went missing to look for his remains."
No mention of sandal.
Even if sandal was found then and with blood, SYP literally ignored this evidence for 5 years.
And one must ask, if sandal found in 2012, why did SYP have a replica of the pair of the sandals made in 2016? Were they expecting to find another pair?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4351369/madeleine-mccann-search-fund-parents-kate-gerry-police-latest/
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A McCann pal told The Sun Online: “Some of the savings have been moved into fixed asset account, like a breakaway fund, which financial experts have advised them to so.
ReplyDelete"It can be used for purchases like buying a house or building equipment.
"But right now the focus if on using it towards fees for a new round of private investigators if needed.”
Interesting!
Bampots
Bampots,
DeleteWhat we find most interesting is the no mention of payment of legal fees for losing the damages trial.
Wasn't it estimated a few months ago to be around £400K? And that it was what would deplete the fund?
https://mobile.twitter.com/JillyCL/status/902799015967952896
ReplyDeleteAgree with this. Siphoned off is a very damning choice of words.
I think article is very damning of Mcs.
Anonymous 30 Aug 2017, 11:27:00,
DeleteAgree that it is damning to the McCanns but above all it is very much pro-archival.
We recommend readers go back to our post "The McCann Trial":
http://textusa.blogspot.pt/2017/03/the-mccann-trial.html
It heightens the dislike for the McCanns but keeps all evilness centred on them.
The tactic we exposed in that post: Government you can archive the case because the ignominious couple will be left forever under increasing suspicion and thus punished just like the mob demands.
Absolutley re costs .....but it does imply that they have bought a house (or building equipment!! sic) for around that sum!
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Bampots,
DeleteIn our opinion it doesn't imply they bought but that they can buy if they so wish to do.
Doesn't that just convey the idea that the couple are so despicable that it may even have crossed their minds wasting money given to them to find their daughter on such?
And doesn't it reinforce the idea that it as absolute idiocy to give these people any more money?
The majority of people confuse funding Operation Grange with giving money to the McCanns.
And even those who don't confuse tend to overlook that these funds are basically to pay salaries which will continue to be paid to these officers once they conclude this particular task and move on to do other police work.
Hi Textusa,in regard to the"Find Madeleine McCann Fund"leaving No Stone Unturned?
DeleteSo the Benefactors of the Fund"Madeleine"on her safe return or the Trustees have been allowed under the Terms of the"Ward of Court Document"allow for the Trustees to utilise funds from the Limited company Acts agreement,a bit like paying the family Mortgage?
Kate has often been quoted as feeling close to Madeleine in Portugal,whenever they have visited,now wouldn't it be interesting to see if any properties purchased via the Company acts,will have the Names of the purchased property or"Paid For by the Madeleine Fund with the registration fund associated on the New property,purely you understand as to not become further embroiled in any"Financial misunderstanding,perhaps Ester McVey could overlook the acquirement?
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/giveaway-signs-shafilea-ahmeds-parents-13549490
ReplyDeleteWe are only bringing this article over because of David Edgar.
We are in no way implying that the McCanns murdered their daughter.
We just wanted to show how it seems David Edgar is able to see discrepancies in version of events and understand what that means. From article:
““We looked at her bank accounts, her friends, no one had seen her. Her boyfriends. There was no sign of her, there was no trace,” David Edgar, a former detective inspector, tells the programme.
“We were actively considering they [the parents] had dumped their daughter somewhere. They were not very convincing, there were lots of discrepancies in their version of events.”
He added: “We just needed one thing, that’s all we needed. All the rest of the building blocks were in place.” When Shafilea’s body was washed up in the Lake District following floods in the Lake District they were questioned again, held on police bail on suspicion of kidnapping.”
Theres a game being played out here,3 days ago an article in the Belfast Telegraph a few post's back has Edgar allegedly saying "“There’s one reason I’m sure Madeleine is alive — a body hasn’t been found,” he said." which seems to be in stark contrast to what he said in the Liverpool article hmmm.
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Anonymous 31 Aug 2017, 20:41:00,
DeleteDave Edgar would now certainly justify this by telling a 'tearful' Dave Edgar what staunch Dave Edgar told a tearful Jane Tanner, in front of a gleeful Gerry McCann, back in 2009: discrepancies are perfectly natural and expected.
Hi Textusa, What Dave Edgar "told a tearful Jane Tanner in front of a gleeful Gerry McCann,Mockumentary back in 2009"?
DeletePerhaps at that moment in Time,Jane tanner realised a moment of reality of"Who or What she had seen on 3 May 2007"?
It really does come down to how people have decided,when the"Metropolitan Police Service,Assistant Commander Mark Rowley has made statements to UK News Papaers,"there is No definitive proof of Madeleine McCann being Alive or Dead"?
So this implication is to "dismiss the Dog Alerts from Martin Grimes dogs,Eddie,Keela,to clothing worn by certain persons and the Car Key Fob,Drivers Door and the Renault scenic Boot?
So much for Operation Grange taking everything back to the beginning eh Mark Rowley,Cognitive dissonance affecting your judgements Mark?
Anonymous 1 Sep 2017, 12:27:00,
DeletePlease watch "Madeleine was here part 4/5" on YouTube video from 01:25:
https://youtu.be/na4aBr5PTYY
At 02:14 Edgar tells Tanner that "there are inconsistencies in every major investigation".
The inconsistency in question being that she and Jez Wilkins say that the encounter between Wilkins and Gerry happened on the side of the road near the back gate if apartment 5A (as per PJ Files), while Gerry recollects it having been on the opposite of the street (not in PJ Files). Edgar then assumes that Gerry is being truthful and Jane is not.
You can then see a tearful Tanner at 04:05.
Ah! assume,it needs to be remembered that it can make an ass out of you and me,ass-u-me.
DeleteOn the boundary.
Hi Textusa,but fabrication is still a fabrication, in a court of Law,you(Defendant JT) could not state which side of a narrow street you were on(which JT did,but Gerry,Jez over ruled her),yet you have determined which side of the road you would be on,would be the same side of your apartment wouldn't it,Not "Crossing over"To the other side" of he who pays the piper Calls the Tunes,eh Dave,McCann mockumentary 2009?
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ReplyDeleteSuranne Jones goes on a dark journey: Doctor Foster star to play mother of abducted girl, 10, in stage drama
By Baz Bamigboye for the Daily Mail
Published: 23:53 BST, 31 August 2017 | Updated: 01:05 BST, 1 September 2017
Suranne Jones will play the mother of an abducted ten-year-old girl in a stage drama with chilling similarities to the Madeleine McCann and Milly Dowler cases.
The actress, who has won awards for TV hit Doctor Foster, will play Nancy, a grieving mother whose daughter has gone missing, in a revival of Bryony Lavery’s acclaimed 1998 play Frozen, which will run at the Theatre Royal Haymarket from February 9.
Jonathan Munby will direct, and told me he had suggested Jones should read Madeleine, Kate McCann’s account of her daughter’s disappearance ten years ago, and My Sister Milly, Gemma Dowler’s recently released book about her sister’s kidnap and murder 15 years ago.
The actress (back on BBC1 in Series 2 of Doctor Foster next week) has an 18-month-old son, and Munby said she felt an ‘immediate connection’ when she read the script for Frozen. ‘I think she’s taking it on with some trepidation, too,’ the director added.
‘She’s aware of the emotional journey she’ll need to go on and dark places she has to tap into.’
When I asked if Jones would meet McCann and Dowler family members, Munby was cautious in his reply. ‘There are possibilities,’ he said. ‘There are people who have experience of what these characters have gone through. We want to do them justice, and tell the story accurately.’
They have chosen the right leading lady: Jones’s ability to convey empathy is one of the secrets of her success.
I saw a superb production of Frozen at the National Theatre in 2002, a few years after its premiere at Birmingham Rep. Anita Dobson gave a shattering portrait of a woman who thought her life was over after her child’s abduction. But over the course of 20 years, she finds extraordinary strength within herself.
Although the play deals with the darkest of subjects, it’s flecked with wit. When we meet the three main characters — Nancy; a seemingly ordinary man called Ralph (to be played by Jason Watkins, another award-winner); and an American psychologist (yet to be cast) — we have no idea who they are.
But slowly their identities are revealed, and we’re drawn into a story that will, as Munby said, ‘fascinate and provoke’ us.
Lavery will be present during rehearsals to study her work with ‘fresh eyes’, Munby said.
She may make the odd tweak, but will not update the piece, which is set in an era before mobile phones and the internet.
A film version is in an early stage of development, though Munby is not involved. He’s busy rehearsing Ian McKellen as King Lear for the Chichester Festival Theatre, and involved in the South African musical King Kong, about a boxer, which is touring South Africa at the moment. ‘It’s definitely coming to London,’ Munby promised.
If this is true and if it goes ahead, it will be interesting to watch the public's reaction to it.
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ReplyDeleteMaëlys de Araujo: Man charged with kidnap of missing girl
04 September 2017
Europe
A man has been placed under formal investigation on suspicion of kidnapping a nine-year-old girl during a wedding in the French Alps.
DNA of the missing girl, Maëlys de Araujo, was found on the dashboard of the man's car, his lawyer said.
He said the man admitted she was in his car on the night she disappeared but that did not prove his guilt.
She was last seen on 27 August in a children's area at a hall in Pont-de-Beauvoisin, north of Grenoble.
Police, search-and-rescue teams, divers and cavers have scoured the area but with no breakthrough.
'The girl got into the car'
The suspect was one of two guests at the wedding who were detained last week because of inconsistencies in their statements to police but were later released.
In a statement issued on Sunday, Grenoble's prosecutor said a 34-year-old man had been charged with "kidnapping, illegal confinement or arbitrary detention of a minor of less than 15 years".
The man "persisted in his denials and explanations", the statement said, adding that "this did not convince the investigative judges, who decided to hold him".
The suspect's lawyer, Bernard MĂ©raud, told AFP his client had said "the girl had got into the car with a little boy on the back seat to see if (the man's) dog was in the boot".
'I've not raised a monster'
Several days ago Mr MĂ©raud revealed that his client had washed his Audi A3 car the day after the wedding as he planned to sell it and had already found a buyer.
In an interview with French radio on Monday, he questioned the relevance of the DNA trace found on the dashboard.
The girl's DNA could have been transferred to the dashboard by his client, he argued, so the discovery did not necessarily mean his client was guilty. "He protests his innocence, he cites an unfortunate combination of events," he said.
The suspect's name has not yet been released but already his mother has given an interview insisting he had nothing to do with the disappearance and would not harm anyone. "I've not raised a monster, he's never been a monster," she told RTL radio.
He is described as an odd-job man on sick leave. Investigators have revealed he had two scratches, to his arm and knee, which he said was as a result of gardening.
The man was one of 180 wedding guests who were questioned by police when Maëlys de Araujo disappeared. Detectives also took statements from 70 other people attending two other events nearby.
Sniffer dogs followed the scent of Maëlys's cuddly toy to a car park, raising fears she was kidnapped and taken away by car.
A source close to the investigation said last week that the area being searched was growing.
So DNA in a car in which the child is supposed to never have been is important after all?
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DeleteThe guy is making up replies as and when he's questioned. He says his car was parked with all windows open. It's not clear how that DNA was finally found (first inspection revealed nothing). It seems that this Maëlys'DNA is mixed with the guy's DNA. It seems also that the gendarmerie (GNR) collected air from within the car.
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This mixed (Maëlys/suspect) DNA is no proof. If I hold your hand and after that put my hand on somebody's face, my DNA but also yours will be found on the person's face, whereas you never came in contact with that person.
ReplyDeleteAnneGuedes,
DeleteDisagree. Amounts of detectable DNA is not carried by secondary contamination. It's a myth conveniently propagated by the Mc people.
If that were the case, most of us would end up at the end of the day with a literal DNA 'salad' on our body, which would confuse every police investigation.
If the French police determined that the DNA found was relevant, then one has to assume it was in detectable amounts, thus by direct contact.
AnneGuedes,
DeleteDisagree. Amounts of detectable DNA is not carried by secondary contamination. It's a myth conveniently propagated by the Mc people.
If that were the case, most of us would end up at the end of the day with a literal DNA 'salad' on our body, which would confuse every police investigation.
If the French police determined that the DNA found was relevant, then one has to assume it was in detectable amounts, thus by direct contact.
Textusa, keep in mind that the first laboratory didn't find anything. The police resolved asking another laboratory, which used another method and detected the girl's DNA. Only one newspaper observed that it was mixed with the suspect's DNA. Likely the amount isn't enormous.. BUT let's see what they make out of the air that was extracted from the car.
DeleteSpot the difference !
ReplyDeleteFor the first time Maëlys' family released this communiqué to-day :
"The family calls for respect for the secrecy of the investigation in this case and intends to strictly protect its intimacy and the privacy of its home. Given the crucial importance of ongoing investigations, Maëlys 'parents will not comment in the press for the time being ... They thank those who volunteered to search for their missing daughter and all those who support them. They encourage any person likely to have useful information to approach the investigation team without delay. "
Is it significant that there is no mention of the McCanns in this Maely family story or comments from friends of the family. How will it look if the French are able to make arrests when there is no body based on inconsistencies in the suspects story and DNA in the suspects car when Scotland Yard to date have not been able to
ReplyDeleteIt does actually appear possible for DNA can be transferred other than by primary contact after all ..... surprising and opens a whole new can of worms.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.forensicmag.com/article/2015/11/secondary-transfer-new-phenomenon-touch-dna
Lesly Finn,
DeleteThis would not be opening up a can of worms but in fact closing the lid on many cans that needed opening and would otherwise escape unscathed.
"Cale’s experiments began with a two-minute handshake between two people then handling a knife led to the DNA profile of the person who never touched the weapon being identified on the swab of the weapon handle in 85 percent of the samples"
How many 2 minute hand-shake do you know of? Even Trump's long lasting handshakes didn't last that long.
And then, after an unnaturally prolonged direct contact, person would handle a knife. In which scenario would this replicated in a criminal investigation?
What if the knife was only picked up half an hour later. Or two hours? Or after pushing a supermarket trolley for 10 minutes? Or after having been washed up?
Please note that a handshake is one of, if not the most direct contact between human beings - one of the main reasons in spreading the common cold - and the human palm one of the most greasiest, and so adherent, parts of our skin.
When forensics analyse the weapon of a crime, they are fully aware it could have been handled by many people DIRECTLY (no need for a 2 minute handshake) and take that into account.
Plus, says article "Previous work had established the possibility of transferring DNA before. As early as 2002, the possibility was mentioned by a group of researchers in the United Kingdom. However, the results have not always appeared to be consistent, since it appears the capacity to “shed” DNA is different from person to person, and can even change at different times for different people. A 2007 study in New Zealand, for instance, found that the phenomenon of “good shedders” was relatively insignificant. But only a handful of studies have looked at the possibilities."
What seems to be under discussion here, is what amount of DNA can science consider to be palpable. Less and less is the expected progression as science advances.
But to state, or only imply, as apparently it is what article does, that damning DNA on a crime scene could be from secondary contamination is, in our opinion, incorrect and treading dangerous grounds without a solid base to back up such an observation.
In terms of the little girl, the girl's DNA was found in the car after owner had washed it.
Also note that this article dates back to 2017 and has had no echo whatsoever in terms of criminal science.
DeleteAnd when giving an opinion about the inconsistencies of the results has this to say: “It’s something that’s been mentioned before, but it gets lost in the mix. This could possibly be a concern for us in the future,” Cale said.
Comments are also a very interesting read:
Bruce Moran • 8 months ago
forensic science service in the uk requrierd all of their reporting officers to be CRFP reigisterd. But FAILED to implement this proses even so it was part of thier organisatanal standards required by the ffs. Reason for not doing so long and tedious proses as quoted by one member of staff working for the fss if any one requires proof of this rule breaking please email me
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Jeff Sailus • 2 years ago
I am not sure why this concept is presented as new. It was taught when I was in forensic school 20 years ago as a part of Locards principle. I don't know any DNA expert that would testify how DNA got somewhere, just presence or absence except in intimate things like vaginal swabs.
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Arthur Young Jeff Sailus • 2 years ago
The journal article goes on to state that in 5 out of the 20 samples tested, DNA from neither of the test subjects was detected. This can be explained a variety of ways, like the researchers or test subjects were not as careful as they should have been, or that the consumable materials that we use in our analysis are contaminated with sufficiently high levels of DNA that they can be detected (e.g., the Phantom of Heilbronn). The foreign DNA could very easily have come from the exam-grade gloves that we wear in the lab. Remember, sterilization simply means that anything alive and could cause infection is now dead; it doesn't mean that DNA has be destroyed. It's the difference between a corpse and cremated remains. DNA survives autoclaving quite refreshed, UV is only effective against purified DNA, and bleaching is not practical, due to the possibility of residual carryover, which could destroy any sample that is put into it. Gassing with ethylene oxide is really our only choice.
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Berg • 2 years ago
Good job sensationalizing this article and trying to create panic. If you read the linked article to the California case, the drunk man should have been released in a couple days if detectives involved actually did their jobs. Touch DNA is just a tool and the results have to be interpreted with common sense. The unfortunate reality is, this article is more 'reality journalism' then responsible reporting. News isn't news anymore, it's a sensationalized opinion of what happened to stir peoples emotions - reality TV style.
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saugenstein Berg • 2 years ago
Berg,
Thanks for your opinion. However, the man was in prison based on the DNA. That is fact.
The experts cited herein, who have consulted on many cases for defense and prosecution alike, said this is a real concern.
SA
Thank you for putting me right. So it was silly of me to imagine that secondary transfer of DNA might usefully be used to muddy the waters with regard to any possible prosecution of the McCanns then?
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https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/09/the-appalling-pottingers/amp/
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https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/indies/uk-indies-ride-netflix-wave/5122034.article
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ReplyDeleteVery interesting article in which cientists don't agree with Mr McCann: trust the dogs !
ReplyDeletehttp://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0146963
Thank you Anne Guedes!
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4414429/madeleine-mccann-search-latest-police-money-parents-kate-gerry/
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ReplyDeleteAfter not too much speculation the MET have asked for more funding.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4862592/Met-police-asks-money-Madeleine-McCann-probe.html
Sky News understands that phase of their investigation is complete and their success will hinge on technical results of their work.
ReplyDeleteThe money they are asking for is unlikely to be a large amount, effectively enough to keep a small number of detectives - three or four - on little more than a watching brief.
The request should be approved in the next week or so....
http://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-set-to-be-extended-as-police-ask-for-more-funds-11024595
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By Martin Brunt, Crime Correspondent
ReplyDeleteThe Scotland Yard search for Madeleine McCann is set to be extended, three weeks before its funding was due to run out.
Detectives have asked the Home Office for more money while they continue to explore one last theory about her disappearance.
Ministers are likely to approve a cash injection so long as they are satisfied there is still a realistic chance of discovering the fate of Madeleine, who was nearly four when she vanished during a family holiday in Portugal in 2007.
Detectives from the Metropolitan Police and their Portuguese colleagues have worked together for more than a year to find clues to corroborate their theory.
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Sky News understands that phase of their investigation is complete and their success will hinge on technical results of their work.
The money they are asking for is unlikely to be a large amount, effectively enough to keep a small number of detectives - three or four - on little more than a watching brief.
The request should be approved in the next week or so.
Kate and Gerry McCann leave the 10th anniversary after the service in Rothley
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Kate and Gerry McCann have never given up hope of finding Madeleine
The Home Office has funded the six-year investigation with £11.2m since it began in 2011.
The first year cost £1.9m, but the annual amounts have gradually reduced. In April, detectives were given £85,000 to keep going until the end of this month.
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Madeleine: 500 lines of inquiry but no conclusions
On the 10th anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance, the Met's Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said: "I know we have a significant line of inquiry which is worth pursuing and because it's worth pursuing it could provide an answer.
"But until we've gone through it, I don't know if we are going to get there or not."
Madeleine vanished in May 2007 from a ground-floor holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve coast.
The search of scrubland was wound down after no significant discovery was made
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Police have carried out searches in Portugal over a number of years
She had been left sleeping in a room with her younger brother and sister while her parents Kate and Gerry McCann dined nearby with friends.
The couple said they made regular checks on their three children and discovered Madeleine was missing around 10pm, insisting she had been abducted.
The original Portuguese police investigation was closed after 15 months without establishing any firm clues. It was reopened in 2011.
A photo of the McCanns when they were a family of five
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A photo of the McCanns when they were a family of five
The McCanns, who were considered suspects but then cleared of suspicion, hired a series of private investigators without success.
Eventually, they appealed to then prime minister David Cameron, who agreed to ask Scotland Yard to review all the gathered evidence and later start its own inquiry.
Early ideas about sex predators, child traffickers and "a burglary gone wrong" were largely dismissed before both detective teams joined forces to focus on the latest theory.
Brining over article....last paragraph interesting!
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