We have thanked JBLittlemore before and now we have to thank him again. He has helped us change our minds about something quite important about the case, and that is the perception people have that the case can be prosecuted in the UK.
We have stated that it could. We have said that it was legally possible but politically impossible.
We started the debate on this subject in a comment at 5 May 2018, 10:13:00 in our post “The help and the tennis – comments continue II”, in which we were quite clear about what we thought to be its importance: “We notify our readers that this comment may well be the most important thing that we’ve ever written about the Maddie case.”
Before we say what we have to say, we would like to very quickly address the political impossibility for the case to be prosecuted in the UK. Independent of what each one thinks is the Skripal case, it has been announced by the UK authorities that it was Russian agents who came to the UK and tried to kill a Russian citizen.
Those advocating that the Maddie case could be prosecuted in the UK without political repercussions are basically saying that the UK would accept for Russia to prosecute the Skripal case there. Would it? We don’t think so.
So, independent of the legal aspects that we are about to mention, the idea of the Maddie case being prosecuted in the UK is simply absurd.
But there’s a legal aspect we have overlooked. We have said that it was legally possible to prosecute the McCanns & others in the UK. It isn’t. By the UK law, it would be illegal.
And we have to thank JBlittlemore for helping clarify this, with this tweet:
“J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @SadeElisha86 @1matthewwright1 @annienonymouss
This is also relevant. See the para 9. outlined in red (of the Offences Against the Person Act) PT retains primary rights but investigation & trial in UK is still possible if UK cits are in the cross hairs, as the Section 9 clarifies. #Mccann
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4:56 pm - 24 Sep 2018”
[The picture attached to the mail above says the following:
“Sections 9 and 10: Jurisdiction
Murder or manslaughter abroad. Section 9 gives the courts in England, Wales and Ireland extra-territorial jurisdiction over homicides committed by British subjects overseas. (Note however the restricted definition of "subject" under section 3 of the British Nationality Act 1948. Section 10 gives these courts jurisdiction over fatal acts committed by British subjects oversees where the death occurs in England, Wales or Ireland, and jurisdiction over fatal acts committed in England, Wales or Ireland by anyone, including aliens, where the death occurs abroad. (The word “criminally” in that section has been held to exclude fatal acts done by aliens overseas although the death occurs in England, Wales or Ireland, since such acts are not punishable under the criminal law.)
9. Where any murder or manslaughter shall be committed on land out of the United Kingdom, whether within the Queen's dominions or without, and whether the person killed were a subject of Her Majesty or not, every offence committed by any subject of Her Majesty in respect of any such case, whether the same shall amount to the offence of murder or of manslaughter… may be dealt with, inquired of, tried, determined, and punished… in England or Ireland: Provided, that nothing herein contained shall prevent any person from being tried in any place out of England or Ireland for any murder or manslaughter committed out of England or Ireland in the same manner as such person might have been tried before the passing of this Act. 10. Where any person being (criminally) stricken, poisoned. or otherwise hurt upon the sea, or at any place out of England or Ireland. shall die of such stroke. poisoning. or hurt in England or Ireland, or, being (criminally) stricken, poisoned, or otherwise hurt in any place in England or Ireland, shall die of such stroke, poisoning, or hurt upon the sea, or at any place out of England or Ireland, every offence committed in respect of any such case. whether the same shall amount to the offence of murder or of manslaughter, may be tried… in England.”]
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It is true that section 9 does say that “trial in UK is still possible if UK cits are in the cross hairs” BUT it also says this: “that nothing herein contained shall prevent any person from being tried in any place out of England or Ireland”.
And that is why it will be illegal to prosecute the McCanns & others in the UK. Prosecuting them there prevents them from being tried in Portugal.
That’s what we have been dealing with in our arguido v questioned under caution debate.
To make things very clear, when people say that Kate refused to answer the 48 questions they are not understanding the differences between the Portuguese legal system and the British one in terms of personal guarantees.
Kate didn’t refuse. She opted not to answer. Imagine the reader is in a bifurcation and is warned that the best option is to go left, as going right may have consequences. The reader may refuse and go right, accepting all consequences that will arise from that decision. Completely different is to be asked which road one wants to take and one just opting for one. In the Portuguese system, it’s an option, no inference because of the choice made can be drawn by the prosecution.
Mr Amaral has explained this quite well in his book pgs 190 – 193 (our translation):
“In Portugal, all criminal investigation is carried out only in the context of a criminal proceeding, which has three phases: enquiry, instruction and prosecution. The investigation itself takes place in the enquiry phase by the agencies of the criminal police, which enjoy technical and tactical autonomy, under the direction and supervision of the Public Ministry. In the context of such proceedings there are procedural subjects, one of them is the arguido. The status of arguido was created in such a way as to grant to every suspect of the practice of a crime a set of rights and duties. One of the principles underlying our penal procedural system is that of non-self-incrimination, and it is not legal to allow a witness to provide elements that may incriminate him. That is, a witness cannot be allowed to continue to speak and make facts be known that indicate him or her in relation to a particular crime. The right to silence, as arguido, avoids this self-incrimination. It is true that the status of arguido carries nowadays a certain social stigma, and it is almost irrelevant to say that all people are presumed innocent until proven guilty, which can happen with a condemning sentence.”
We won’t venture trying to explain why this is, but the other day Moita Flores gave a reason which we believe to be logical: because of the disastrous history that confessions have played in human history it’s thought that every legal system should strive to prosecute without a confession in all circumstances, so it must construct a case based on the assumption that a confession is useless.
Thus, the arguido status guarantees no inferences will be drawn from silence as well as allowing for the accused to change whatever the previous version was. Basically, what the arguido has to say or not say is truly meaningless, the prosecution must be able to construct a case without the participation of the arguido.
In the UK, silence may have adverse inferences. Silence is not taken as indication of guilt. It could be that the person needs legal advice first, is a good reason.
However, any defence or alibi that isn’t raised immediately but presented later, adverse inferences can be drawn. The principle being that if a person had any defence, it should follow immediately when they are cautioned, otherwise they could be retro-fitting their alibi.
Career criminals will often remain silent. They take their chances on charges being dropped through lack of evidence. They don’t want to say anything that might help the police. They take their chance that they may be charged and then try and construct an alibi if that happens. Remaining silent is a good tactic if one is guilty but thinks the police have a weak case.
Note, only if the jury believe the case against a person has been established can they proceed to draw adverse inferences from their silence under caution.
This says it better than we can:
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/adverse-inferences
What is relevant to understand is that under any circumstances there are no adverse inferences from an arguido’s silence in Portugal. The arguido has the right “not to answer the questions asked by any entity about the facts he is charged with and about the contents of his statements concerning them” (point [alínea] e) Nº 1 e) of Artº 61.º of Law nº 59/98 of 25-08-1998). No caution whatsoever.
And because of this difference between the Portuguese and British systems, someone standing in a court in the UK hasn’t been guaranteed the same legal rights as someone in Portugal in the same circumstances.
Trying a case in the UK, invalidates the case being tried in Portugal, and so section 9, in its own words states that such a trial cannot take place. A question of legality.
But the reader may ask would the UK be concerned that McCanns would have had more rights if tried in Portugal?
The answer to that would be, what if the McCanns allowed prosecution to take place and on the first day of the trial, decide to argue the case as we just have and demand that the trial simply not take place because it’s open to legal challenge if not outright illegal?
Then the reader might say, maybe the McCanns can be “convinced” to say nothing, making it look like that it was their choice, refusing to cooperate with Portugal?
That possibility raises a very interesting question that as far as we know, for obvious reasons as we’ll see, has never been raised before: how valid is the right to not to be tried or punished twice (the non bis in idem principle) when 2 justice systems of 2 sovereign countries are involved.
This has never been raised because it required the joining up of factors that are not even seen in the joining of those required to make up a perfect storm: a crime happening by citizens of country X in country Y and country X wanting to disrespect, or even insult country Y.
The non bis in idem principle is a basic principle of law but is only valid within a single sovereign justice system. The question is then quite complex, is punishing the same crime in 2 different sovereign nations punishing the same crime twice?
The Eurojust Guidelines seems to think it’s not:
“There should be a preliminary presumption that, if possible, a prosecution should take place in the jurisdiction where the majority of the criminality occurred or where the majority of the loss was sustained. When reaching a decision, prosecutors should balance carefully and fairly all the factors both for and against commencing a prosecution in each jurisdiction where it is possible to do so.
There are a number of factors that should be considered and can affect the final decision. All these factors should be considered at the meeting of prosecutors from the relevant states affected by the criminality concerned. Making a decision will depend on the circumstances of each case and this guidance is intended to bring consistency to every decision-making process.”
Note, it all points to a single jurisdiction (which in the Maddie case would be Portugal) but the key verb above is “should” and not “has to”.
From the ECHR:
“Article 4 (Right not to be tried or punished twice) of Protocol No. 7 to the European Convention on Human Rights
“1. No one shall be liable to be tried or punished again in criminal proceedings under the jurisdiction of the same State for an offence for which he has already been finally acquitted or convicted in accordance with the law and penal procedure of that State.
2. The provisions of the preceding paragraph shall not prevent the reopening of the case in accordance with the law and penal procedure of the State concerned, if there is evidence of new or newly discovered facts, or if there has been a fundamental defect in the previous proceedings, which could affect the outcome of the case.
3. No derogation from this Article shall be made under Article 15 of the Convention.””
Again, “under the jurisdiction of the same State for an offence”.
In case the UK decides to humiliate Portugal by prosecuting the McCanns without previous agreement from the Portuguese, could the Portuguese prosecute at the same time, totally independently from the UK prosecution, as the European Investigation Order means Portugal can ask and not be refused, any evidence obtained by the UK,a signee of the EIO? We don’t see why not.
Plus, Portugal would have the advantage of having European law on its side (as per Eurojust Guidelines) and could call out the illegality of the trial in the UK as per section 9.
Then, it must be taken into consideration that Portugal, faced with the humiliation, might in retaliation simply show the world that the UK was holding an illegal trial according to their own law.
And considering the non bis in idem principle conflict we have just raised, isn’t that sufficient “herein” of section 9 to consider the UK trial outright illegal?
The fact that a prosecution in the UK would invalidate a prosecution in Portugal just based on the fact that no one should be tried twice for the same crime, falls in our opinion clearly in the “Provided, that nothing herein contained shall prevent any person from being tried in any place out of England or Ireland for any murder or manslaughter committed out of England or Ireland in the same manner as such person might have been tried before the passing of this Act.”
Noted that we are deep into extreme scenarios, the UK humiliating Portugal by prosecuting the McCanns in the UK and Portugal retaliating, but the advantage would be clearly on Portugal’s side of the court, pardon the pun, as the attention could be drawn to the possible illegality of the trial due to both the arguido v questioned under caution question and the non bis in idem principle.
Politically unacceptable for the UK to prosecute, per section 9, illegal and because of the European Investigation Order very, very risky.
It’s very clear why they want the McCanns questioned by the Met. The moment that happens, a gale force wind would blow across the UK such would be the sigh of relief by so many.
The case has to be prosecuted in Portugal and questioned by the Portuguese legal rules and supervision of the PJ if questioned in the UK.
It’s not a question of IF but of it HAS to be. In the same Portuguese courts that JBLittlemore seems to think is run by plumbers, electricians and lorry-drivers – with all due respect for these professions – who like to play judges from time to time and so what these courts decide can’t really be taken seriously:
It’s our interpretation of the legal position and not a legal opinion as we have no legal background, in any law much less on international law. As always, we welcome corrections.
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/en/jha/141495.pdf
ReplyDeleteIf OG were carrying out requests made by the PJ, they could use the EIO to ensure the investigations met the requirements of the PJ when interviewing witnesses on their behalf.
If they were interviewing suspects, those according to GA, the police have formed a theory about, it seems they would have to be interviewed and offered arguido status by U.K. police, in order to comply with the requirements of country who would be prosecuting.
The PJ can also ask for any evidence gathered by OG.
Anonymous 21 Oct 2018, 11:37:00
DeleteThank you.
Any inquiries being made by either side should be following the EIO guidelines
The issuing country can request how the investigative measure is carried out on their behalf and how it needs to be done to be admissible in the law of that country.
If that is the case, Portugal could be instructing Operation Grange how to carry out the Investigation in compliance with Portuguese law to ensure a prosecution in Portugal wasn’t compromised.
There have been no indications from Portugal so far, that Operation Grange has been asked to provide them with information under the EIO.
Nor do we know if Operation Grange have requested information from Portugal.
Maybe a case for FOI request?
https://twitter.com/K9Truth/status/1053964631868432386
ReplyDeleteCanine Truth @K9Truth
Replying to @AmandaV29789264
In the light of NT's 3 proofs, which "morally weak" researcher said the nannies were "unreliable witnesses"? This "wicked" researcher even had the nerve to name some nannies, including Baker. The same "depraved" researcher also claimed the creche sheets were "faked". ☹ #McCann
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4:02 am - 21 Oct 2018
[Pictures attached to the tweet:
Picture 1:
“Ben Thompson: This is the thing Merrin, the nannies statements contradict each other. For instanced me of the nannies, Emma Louise Wilding took a group of children along with another nanny, to the beach on the 2nd She couldn’t be sure if Madeleine was a-amongst them. Similarly on the 3rd she thinks Maddie was at kids club, but couldn’t be sure if, as stated by another nanny, Catriona Baker. (the nanny who met the McCann's before her rogatory statement at their house). Madeleine was the tapas bar with either parent at 16:45 onwards The nannies statements would not hold up in a court of law, for the simple fact, they are unreliable witnesses The creche records don't tally up with their statements. In fact if we do by “independent” sightings at one point Madeleine was in two totally separate places at the same time.
Wah regards to me photo’s the two pictures on the right are of David Payne’s daughter, who was only 2 months younger than Madeleine.”
Picture 2:
Ben Thompson: Could they have been mistaken Merrin? There were other children that looked very similar to Madeleine. We know the creche records were faked. Also the McCanns met at least one of the nannies prior to her rogatory interview, during which she changed aspects of her statement”]
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https://twitter.com/K9Truth/status/1053965341037133824
Canine Truth @K9Truth
Replying to @K9Truth @AmandaV29789264
Funnily enough, the same researcher also claimed that witnesses could have been "mistaken" because there "were other children that looked very similar to Madeleine". It would be really useful to see this researcher respond to NT's 3 proofs... #McCann #WTFHappenedToBen
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4:04 am - 21 Oct 2018
[Picture attached to the tweet:
“Ben Thompson: How sure are you they couldn’t have been mistaken Merrin? Who’s who in these pictures, and how many are Madeleine?
When you look at these pictures, imagine you’re new to these faces.
(attached a picture made up of 4 pictures, on the left top and bottom Maddie, on the right David Payne’s daughter)
Ben Thompson: Well if someone put the top left photo in front of you on Monday, and then the top right in front of you on Tuesday, you’d say “I’ve seen this photo”.”]
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“We know the creche records were faked”. We do???? What will NT, the Messiah, say to this???
K9Truth, we’re afraid to say but you showing what you have is completely pointless. You see, Mr Thompson is a new-born NTian:
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1044943846973591553
“00Bugsy @TheBunnyReturns
Replying to @JBLittlemore @Anvil161Anvil16
I could list hundreds of instances that are exactly the same, dogs, forensics... The Not Textusa blog has been busy for years tackling these lies. It slipped under my radar for many moons, due to my gullibility at believing and trusting textusa, after they behaved like a friend.
6:36 am - 26 Sep 2018”
You see, there is a Mr Thompson BNT (Before NT) and an ANT (After NT) one. We, it seems, are to blame for his blindness although it seems, as per his words you annexed to your tweets, he seems to have then fully supported the “replacement child theory” which we never subscribed and have made it abundantly clear that we don’t subscribe it.
But that was Mr Thomson BNT.
Now he’s Mr Thompson ANT. A complete changed man, with a complete set of new beliefs. The fiercest NTian there is.
I feel sorry for Ben. He did a lot of good research and promoted syn0nymph’s good work, but his alliance with NT has been counterproductive. What NT does is welcome people on board and appears to be in agreement with them. Then when NT’s earlier comments are brought to light, the new disciple has to make their previous position tally with NT.
DeleteDebunker on Bigfooty blog , Tigerloaf on Stop the Myths and Honestbroker. Just ask yourself, who?
I was saying this long before I followed NT's blog, or indeed NT.
Deletehttps://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/872093788554113025
Mr Thompson,
DeleteDo you think we have fallen for your act that you only got to know NT after the Orlov incident?
Grow up. It takes months, years to set up a team like NT has.
Now take your grievances to your master's blog. Thank you.
...and also here on the group:
Deletehttps://www.facebook.com/groups/JusticeForMadeleine/permalink/1433447483417988/?comment_id=1433471383415598&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D
I have also been in disagreement with the "No neglect, no abduction" phrase for years. As you'll recall, textusa, we disagreed over you claiming Mrs Fenn lied in Justice, long before I associated with NT. I believe Madeleine and the twins were left alone. I believe Madeleine was seen on the 3rd. Both beliefs pre-date my following of NT's blog, and talking to NT. I very much doubt you will correct this though, or post any of my 3 comments.
Mr Thompson,
DeleteThank you for confirming that you NOW are a neglect believer.
About when you associated yourself with NT, please read our comment at 22 Oct 2018, 17:01:00.
Unpublished Mr Thompson,
DeletePlease take you act somewhere else.
To NT, to Twitter, wherever.
Thank you.
From "FB Anon":
Delete"Reply to Ben Thompson aka Pseudo Nym 22 October 16.48 : If it was the case that you ALWAYS believed neglect, why didn't you say so when you received the following comment on your blog?: "Anonymous21 March 2017 at 08:07
Neglect my ass!
No abduction=no neglect.
I thing k & G no exactly what happened.. but I think the burden ways more heavier on K. G knows this..
'Find the body and proved we killed her'
'Confusion is good'
Don't worry K! G got your back! Wink wink*" Now, on J4M when anyone says that neglect didn't happen, you say, yes, neglect definitely did happen. Why?"
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Mr Thompson, if you wish to reply "FB Anon" here, your comment will be published.
Comment received from Mr Thompson who thought he could seize the opportunity to rant instead of answering the question:
Delete“Pseudo Nym has left a new comment on your post "Section 9":
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Also, "FB anon", you brave soul, textusa is aware of my feelings on the neglect issue, but has chosen not to publish my comment.
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Posted by Pseudo Nym to Textusa at 22 Oct 2018, 21:16:00”
Mr Thompson has presented a tweet proving he no longer believes Maddie died before the 3rd when he alleges to have met NT for the first time, which would be after the Orlov incident, at the beginning of April this year:
Deletehttps://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/872093788554113025
“00Bugsy @TheBunnyReturns
Replying to @CherylF47817396 @fredthefish10 @jan_sabin
Madeleine #McCann was seen by independent witnesses on the 3rd.
7:12 AM - 6 Jun 2017”
We are all entitled to change our minds when we start to perceive facts differently or realise that there are new facts that we didn’t consider before. We have said that ignorance is not a sin, sin is to remain ignorant. Meaning, with new facts if one doesn’t change their minds then one is wrong, one should change one’s mind.
We have changed our mind about the case since we started. We have had 3 changes of opinion about what we think happened on May 3 2007. But for every change of mind we came here and told our readers how and why we changed our minds.
That way, when people now accuse us of believing things we no longer do – the most usual they do is to bring up our initial theory from 2008 which is on Joana Morais blog – they are being outright dishonest and simply trying to mislead. All our lightbulb moments are in the blog.
We will wait for Mr Thompson to show all his lightbulb moments when he changed his mind about the sub-girl thesis. We are certain he will do that and we will wait patiently.
Something must be said about his change of heart specifically on the sub-girl theory (whereby Maddie was confused with another 4 yr old blonde little girl who accompanied the McCanns playing the role of Maddie) and the incomprehensible intolerance Mr Thompson has shown for all those who now believe in what he once has believed!
In fact, we have failed to see him say recently, when attacking Lizzy HdH, something similar to “mind you, I believed in that as well, so I understand how people could easily be mistaken as I was, but I hope once they realise like I have that…” and follow it with his lightbulb moment regarding this issue.
Instead we witnessed the words of someone who never, ever, believed the sub-child theory and who insulted whoever believed in it. Strange attitude from an ex-believer.
When Mr Thompson insults, denigrates, demeans and humiliates all those who believe in the sub-girl theory, he is in fact doing all that to his former self. Does he really have such a low opinion of his previous beliefs? It certainly seems that way.
Still on the sub-girl theory, and in the link he has provided to say that he had also pointed out on a FB thread that Maddie was seen alive on May 3, Mr Thompson has said this on Aug 11 2017:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/JusticeForMadeleine/permalink/1433447483417988/?comment_id=1433471383415598&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D
“Ben Thompson: Morning Rita.
Between 8 and 9am, she was seen for breakfast on the 3rd May:
“When asked, she says that she knows the parents, the siblings and Madeleine. She received them for breakfast on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, she does not know whether they went for breakfast on Sunday or Monday, as these were her days off.”
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CECILIA-DFC.htm”
Basically, Mr Thompson does a Nick “Kelly’s” Anon!
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DeleteWe will quote ourselves from our comment at 22 Oct 2018, 11:30:00:
“Oh Nick…
Granted this time you have spoken about something from the files, while when you stated that the McCanns had been to Kelly’s is something that is not in them and we’re waiting for you to tell us where you know this from.
BUT you’re not supposed to call the attention to the statement of Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo!
Why? Because she blows the whole Tapas dinner hoax wide apart:
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The hoax script is very clear, the McCanns had breakfast in their apartment, NOT at the Mill! Please pay attention!
The excuse for the Tapas dinners was that the Millenium was too far and because it was too far, the Ocean Club did a SPECIAL favour to the group and gave them reservations for the entire week at Tapas.
So, how likely is it that they couldn’t have dinner at the Millenium but could have breakfast there??
Cecília Carmo is, according to your master NT, mistaken somehow. After all, one can easily mistake a family of 5 for another completely different family of 5, right? Who hasn’t at some point of their lives??
Clearly she was confused on “Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday” because the McCanns simply had to have had their breakfast in 5A, so there can be some reality to the Tapas dinners invention.
We are the ones who have to call the attention to Cecilias Carmo’s statement, not you.”
Please replace “Oh Nick…” with “Oh Mr Thompson…” above.
Mr Thompson, did you also have a change of heart about Cecília Carmo’s statement or do you still stand by what you said on Aug 11 2017 and reiterated YESTERDAY?
About his change of mind on neglect, Mr Thompson has said the following when replying to “FB Anon”:
“Textusa22 Oct 2018, 21:46:00
Comment received from Mr Thompson who thought he could seize the opportunity to rant instead of answering the question:
“Pseudo Nym has left a new comment on your post "Section 9":
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Also, "FB anon", you brave soul, textusa is aware of my feelings on the neglect issue, but has chosen not to publish my comment.
(censored)
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Posted by Pseudo Nym to Textusa at 22 Oct 2018, 21:16:00””
[We remind Mr Thompson that he can, if he so wishes to do so, put the uncensored version of this comment on Twitter or on NT’s blog. Not only this comment but also all others that we haven’t published from him. After all, isn’t the purpose of NT’s blog exactly for that?
“NotTextusa - Questions that Textusa doesn't want to answer and the posts she doesn't want you to see For some years now, the poster who goes by the name of ''Textusa'' has refused to publish posts which pose questions she either cannot or would prefer not to answer. Textusa likes to claim that she withholds posts because they contain abusive language. In fact this is rarely the case - usually they simply point out the flaws in her ridiculous notions So if she refuses to publish your posts and you want to have your say, send them to me. I'll put them on here for you”]
So what are Mr Thompson’s “feelings on the neglect issue” that we chose not to publish?
This was the comment from him that we did not publish, because, as we said, we didn’t want to go along with his act:
“Pseudo Nym has left a new comment on your post "Section 9":
I have never said the children were definitely NOT left alone. I explored the possibility that they weren't, after Lizzy conned me - as a 'newbie', by saying that the children not being left alone was a theory of Paulo Rebelo's and the PJ's.
How I wish someone had pointed out that wasn't true at the time, so I didn't have to waste time finding out myself.
Still, now I know not to trust anyone at face value...and people wonder why I get annoyed by liars.
Posted by Pseudo Nym to Textusa at 22 Oct 2018, 17:25:00”
Isn’t Mr Thompson coming across as a person that anyone can easily fool? First it was “due to my gullibility at believing and trusting textusa” and now it’s after “after Lizzy conned me”.
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DeletePoor Mr Thompson, he can’t read for himself and takes everything at face value. Who will come next and exploit this soul’s naivety? Maybe it will be the excuse he will use in the future, that he was fooled also by NT and Blacksmith?
But it must be noted that on June 24 2017, Mr Thompson has presented his reasons as to why he doesn’t subscribe the no-neglect theory:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/JusticeForMadeleine/permalink/1384185671677503/?hc_location=ufi
“Ben Thompson
24 June 2017
There are a few topics that divide us 'antis', none more so than the issue of neglect. Discussions over the neglect V no neglect of the tapas 9's children, invariably lead to fall outs. Quite often, those who are new to the case, perhaps angered that the parents of such small children, could leave them alone and vulnerable in a foreign country, are lambasted for believing that the children were left alone.
I have to say I find the attacks, and force feeding of the 'no neglect' theory upon those who believe the kids were left alone, quite arrogant. It's true that one adult was missing from the table on various nights, but that doesn't necessarily mean the kids weren't left alone. The crux of the evidence, as I myself have shown many times, is as follows:
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For me, the only reason Mrs Fenn's statement is discredited by the 'no neglect' hardliners, is that it goes a long way to proving that on the evening of the 1st, Madeleine at least, appears to have been without supervision - and alive.
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Of course we may never know the truth behind the issue of neglect - or lack of it, and whilst I agree it DOES better facilitate the McCanns' abduction story, that doesn't mean neglect didn't take place. There is no definitive element that can excuse anybody for shouting another down with the utter conviction, that neglect didn't happen. People have no right to throw a few 'big names' into the hat, and say 'Jo or Joanne Bloggs has been researching this case for x,y,z years, and they say there was no neglect', because the simple fact is, that for every piece of evidence to suggest there may not have been neglect, lies another equal opposite to suggest there was.”
For someone alleging to have been conned by us, Mr Thompson should have then been aware that we, who include ourselves in the “'no neglect' hardliners” group have never said that Mrs Fenn’s statement – which we have shown to not believe and have shown why – was to promote the idea that Maddie was alive on the 1st. We believe that Maddie died accidentally on May 3, so it would be absurd for us to promote such a notion. And we believe that Mrs Fenn’s statement was exactly to promote negligence, by pretending to show how the McCanns abandoned their children in the apartment.
It seems that Mr Thompson cherry-picks who conned him and when.
Let’s not be absurdly naïve like Mr Thompson confesses he is. His tweet about Maddie being alive on the 3rd is from Jun 6 2017, his FB comment doing a Nick “Kelly’s” Anon was Aug 11 2017. His FB negligence apology post was on June 24 2017.
All after we first exposed, on May 19 2017, Colin “The Misquoted” Sutton on our post “New knight in town”.
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2017/05/new-knight-in-town.html
Mr Thompson was and is a full backer of Colin Sutton. Need we say more?
Apologies to “FB Anon”. The first paragraph that we censored in Mr Thompson’s reply to you was addressed to you and not one of his usual ramblings against us. In fact, reading it all, he is addressing you, only has a “and this goes for you as well textusa” for us.
DeleteFor that reason, here it is, Mr Thompson’s comment uncensored:
“Pseudo Nym has left a new comment on your post "Section 9":
I don't reply to the vast majority of comments on my blog, nor do I reply to every comment regarding neglect on Justice either. You can check if like textusa, you have nothing better to do with your sad life than pour over old comments. I shall remove that one though, as it has incorrect quotes. Thanks for pointing it out to me.
Also, "FB anon", you brave soul, textusa is aware of my feelings on the neglect issue, but has chosen not to publish my comment.
(censored)
Next time you have a question, and this goes for you as well textusa, you know where my blog is. You were already there, so it's rather odd that you'd choose to then message textusa, for him to then post it here in the hope I would firstly be told it was here, for me then to be bothered to answer, and then rely on textusa publishing it.
Talk about going round the houses. What a weird and pointless person you must be.
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Funny how Mr Thompson says he doesn’t reply to the majority of comments in his blog and then says one should ask him questions there.
Quoting Mr Thompson, this is about truth, not sides:
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“Ben Thompson
This blog [Not Textusa], and the author have both been lied about for a very long time by Textusa. The author isn't on the side of the McCanns, they don't believe an abduction took place, but they also don't like liars - Textusa takes issue with that. I would suggest that's Textusa's problem. We're here to promote facts and expose liars. Why should we stop at Kate, Gerry, Clarence and their cohorts? It's about truth, not sides.
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You know, Textusa, I think it was very naughty of you to name your blog after his 5 years before his was even created. I have no idea what your problem is, especially since he never mentions you and would probably not even be aware of your existence if you had never picked on him. A quiet unassuming fellow like that should be left in peace. Anyone who says otherwise should be discredited, humiliated and hounded off the internet.
DeleteAm I getting this right?
https://twitter.com/EricaCantona7/status/1054038750651650048
ReplyDeleteKaren Lowe Sanders @EricaCantona7
Replying to @strackers74 @adlyd_meg and 7 others
In my little ( head ) there are two disputes at the moment, one is the BRT , altho we’ve proved it existed , and the other is the Sunday business, and they have become intermingled , to me, anyway , but that’s my pink fluffy bunny brain.
8:56 am - 21 Oct 2018
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Who is “we”? Is she and Jules working as a team or is Karen simply assuming to be part of the Lick-Spittle Gang?
“one is the BRT , altho we’ve proved it existed”
If proved, what then is Jules holding as a secret?
No photographer’s name, , no evidence, but they pass it as fact. Gaslighting continues.
Pink fluffy bunny brain who has said this:
https://twitter.com/EricaCantona7/status/1053343229524000768
Karen Lowe Sanders @EricaCantona7
Replying to @TheBunnyReturns @jules1602x @cosyring
What on earth is the matter with these people ? No doubt I will be blocked by them but that's only because their inferior intellect amuses me
10:52 am - 19 Oct 2018
https://twitter.com/strackers74/status/1054045128158011393
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Replying to @EricaCantona7 @adlyd_meg and 7 others
See I don't have a set theory about the date and see if you mention that feckin table one more time? . Or even a chair. Or napkin lol. When was it proved? On FB or something? I didn't see owt. #McCann
9:21 am - 21 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/EricaCantona7/status/1054045319401480192
Karen Lowe Sanders @EricaCantona7
Replying to @strackers74 @adlyd_meg and 7 others
Mine eyes have seen the glory
9:22 am - 21 Oct 2018
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Explained. So now, and it’s important we keep track of this, now we have the following people who say they have seen Jules’ evidence:
JBLittlemore
Sallyinspire1
EricaCantona7
This is important because if it turns out to be a lie, then it’s a collective, organized lie.
Updating this BRT debate:
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Karen Lowe Sanders @EricaCantona7
Replying to @strackers74 @adlyd_meg and 7 others
Mine eyes have seen the glory
9:22 am - 21 Oct 2018
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Yeah but you said it was "proved". I'm asking to who and where as I haven't seen anyone share it or even mention they've seen it. So it's been proved to you is what you mean? #McCann
10:04 am - 21 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1054060880088973312
00The Jules... 🕵️♀️ @jules1602x
Replying to @EricaCantona7 @strackers74 and 7 others
Karen.. Elaine has already messaged me about the BRT yet she's asking you here... :)
10:24 am - 21 Oct 2018
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Aren’t we reminded of the abduction apologists back in 2008/2009?
Then they came up with the most absurd concoctions to show us all that there had been an abduction. We all knew there hadn’t been one but they shameless and relentlessly kept putting out the most ridiculous reasons to show us all how “ridiculous” we were all being for even thinking there had not been an abduction. The more effort they made to disprove the abduction the more they helped show there had not been one.
Now they come up with the most absurd concoctions to show us all that there had been a BRT. We all know there wasn’t one but they shameless and relentlessly kept putting out the most ridiculous reasons to show us all how “ridiculous” we all are for even thinking there had not been a BRT. The more effort they make to disprove the BRT the more they help show there was not one.
Jules, Karen and rest of the Lick-Spittle Gang, by all means continue. Please don’t give up, please press on. Never lose that belief that you will end up convincing all that there was a BRT!
https://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1054055922358726656
Delete00The Jules... 🕵️♀️ @jules1602x
I think we all agree the T9 were at the Tapas Thursday 3rd May... I wonder what they sat around... Thoughts...? #McCann
10:04 am - 21 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1054065193611866112
00The Jules... 🕵️♀️ @jules1602x
Replying to @xxSilverdoexx
Well they must have sat somewhere, all 9 of them... If they threw a few tables tables together like suggested, then why didn't they say that they did that all week... It's not out the ordinary is it... :)
10:41 am - 21 Oct 2018
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“If they threw a few tables tables together like suggested” is not a suggestion, it was Jane Tanner saying it was so. Are you saying Jane Tanner lied about the joining up of the tables?
The fact that “didn't they say that they did that all week” is just one more indication that the BRT is a fabrication.
The BRT did not exist, Kate’s drawing of the table that is in the files is a fabrication. Being a fabrication, it does not represent the table they dined – or pretended to be dining as we imagine there wouldn’t be much of an appetite in the group – on Thursday.
Logic dictates that the easiest way to accommodate such a group would be to join up square tables and that’s what we imagined happened on Thusrday night. They did not, as per you master NT, squat on the floor, lean casually against a pillar or upturn a couple of crates.
We are of the opinion that Kate reproduced a round table because on the only night she had been at Tapas that week, Thursday, her head was on all but on concentrating about where she was sitting, and when asked by the PJ, she recollected the furniture where she had been, the Millenium. Only didn’t realise that a table for 9/10 people is a significantly large object.
You and your friends do try to make it all about the size and shape of a table. It’s about the myth the T9 created that they were dining those evenings, around a table with space for 9 people, plus a quiz mistress on an earlier night. Just as quiz nights at the tapas were a myth.
But then, why are we debating this? You say you have the proof, so put your money where you mouth is and show that proof. Why don’t you do it? Is Maddie for you playing games?
"What on earth is the matter with these people ? No doubt I will be blocked by them but that's only because their inferior intellect amuses me" ... well .. that must be why the JfM group blocked me - that and the lack of the BRT. :o))
DeleteVERY INTERESTING!
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Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqDQFXyWwAAZwOj.jpg
#mccann
11:05 am - 21 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1054073323766845440
00The Jules... 🕵️♀️ @jules1602x
Replying to @FragrantFrog
I think that's from 2013 so it won't count...
11:13 am - 21 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1054074061079412737
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @jules1602x
It's in a sequence of photos taken in the first months. The photographer in the background also appears in other early photos. The Tapas Bar was refurb'ed in around 2010 iirc & the open area was closed in...
11:16 am - 21 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1054074965803327488
00The Jules... 🕵️♀️ @jules1602x
Replying to @FragrantFrog
I've spoken to someone... I'm being asked for proof... Still waiting for proof of their accusations and swinging... It will keep... It's safe... :) #McCann
11:20 am - 21 Oct 2018
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What is interesting about this?
Well disregarding the fact that Jules needs for the Frog to tell her that the 2013 picture (which Jules has said is NOT the BRT) is not from 2013 but from 2007, there’s the detail that the Frog even knows that the person appearing is a photographer. Wow, what knowledge. One would be tempted to think the Frog had been there in… the first months.
Plus, Jules has said that table is NOT the big secret. So which is it??
Also interesting that the Frog knows that Tapas “was refurb'ed in around 2010 iirc & the open area was closed”. On this, it must be said that someone gave Frog the wrong information. I was there as readers know and nothing was closed.
But the most interesting thing is the picture attached to the tweet. It appears to be the picture that was used in the 2013 CMTV documentary, but it isn’t. It’s a cropped version and with a much higher resolution than one used in the documentary.
Now, why would the Frog have that picture?
As we said it happened with the abduction, a huge effort is being made to prove the existence of an object that was big enough to have appeared in every single picture of the Tapas esplanade but is very, very, VERY camera shy.
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A round table. It’s in the police files #mccann
11:29 AM - 21 Oct 2018
And here's Isabelle McFakeone chipping in.
If we say it often enough, people will assume it's the truth, is that what game is being played here...
https://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1054079366655807488
Delete00The Jules... 🕵️♀️ @jules1602x
Replying to @xxSilverdoexx @McCannCaseTweet
That's from Kates September statement... She had sat in the Tapas many times after the 3rd May.. :) So wasn't remembering from millennium.. ;) #McCann
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqDXlnjW4AMLAqg.jpg
11:37 am - 21 Oct 2018
[Jules has attached a screengrab of the files where Kate’s drawing appears]
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SERIOUSLY Jules???
You don’t even remember what you write??
Did you forget that you submitted this comment that we didn’t publish? We were going to use it later but you’ve forced our hand into publishing it now.
“Special Agent The Jules... has left a new comment on your post "It's September 2018 - Comments continue II":
Just for the record the drawing of the BRT in the files is not the BRT I spoke about with the photographer..
Posted by Special Agent The Jules... to Textusa at 15 Oct 2018, 05:42:00”
Kate’s BRT is NOT the BRT!! According to you!
Anonymous 21 Oct 2018, 19:51:00,
DeleteBringing the details over to the blog:
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1054077209890054144
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Replying to @jules1602x
A round table. It’s in the police files #mccann
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqDVoZiVsAAxj5g.jpg
11:29 am - 21 Oct 2018
[Attached the picture of Kate’s drawing of the BRT in files]
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Isabelle McFadden doing a Mr Bennett (when quoting Kate's book about breakfasts) and Blacksmith (when quoting Kate's book about why they were made arguidos): quoting Kate McCann as proof!
Do we have any idea what the dimensions of such a 'BRT', referenced by prime suspect Kate McCann, would be? I'm particularly thinking of its diameter, what, twice the diameter of the 'small round tables'?
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DeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Green Leaper Retweeted Green Leaper
For the benefit of those who want to see the complete big round table....... #mccann
Green Leaper added,
https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/957409788861779969
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
#mccann
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUlnHhGXcAAiwj-.jpg
4:27 pm - 27 Jan 2018
[Attached cropped picture of the CMTV documentary]
#mccann
12:53 pm - 24 Sep 2018
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If the Frog had such a high resolution picture, why has the Frog used such a low quality one both in Jan 27 and Sept 24 this year?
And, of course, very interesting to see the Frog siding with the Lick-Spittle Gang on the BRT...
DeleteAnonymous 21 Oct 2018, 20:25:00,
DeleteWe have done the calculations in... 2010
- 4'11/1,5 metres if crammed
- 6'07/2,0 metres if minimally comfortable
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2010/12/in-emergency-call-112-when-in-hoax-call.html
https://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1054092596597874688
Delete00The Jules... 🕵️♀️ @jules1602x
Replying to @Anvil161Anvil16 @xxSilverdoexx
You're missing my point Anvil.. I'm not saying the T9 didn't lie... I'm not saying Madeleine was abducted... I've been shown no proof that the Tapas dinners didn't happen... Has Tex got pics of the whole Tapas area showing no BRT...?
12:30 pm - 21 Oct 2018
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And we thought that you had PROOF, visual PROOF that the table existed! A PROOF seen by JBLittlemore, Sallyinspire1 and EricaCantona7!
Have we got pics? You may soon find out.
Ah, I suppose that's what you'd call 'research', lol
DeleteSo, perhaps if we select the average size BRT, that is, average of those 2 diameters, which would be 1.75 metres (5'9"), just to give the lick spittle critics the benefit of the doubt, what would such a table look like placed in the tapas bar? Surely it would be ENORMOUSLY noticeable?
https://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1054095765713358848
Delete00The Jules... 🕵️♀️ @jules1602x
Replying to @Anvil161Anvil16 @xxSilverdoexx
Yes... I definitely didn't speak to them about a drawing from the files in September though... Perhaps that can be corrected... :) #McCann
12:43 pm - 21 Oct 2018
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We remind readers of Jules’ EXACT words:
“Just for the record the drawing of the BRT in the files is not the BRT I spoke about with the photographer..”
Jules was caught in the current and was pulled out to sea.
DeleteThe rest are just waving. No Frog, Bale, Karen, Sade, Ben, McFadden, JBL...
Anonymous 21 Oct 2018, 21:56:00,
DeleteIt seems that Blacksmith threw a buoy at Jules in the form of a technicolor yawn. Maybe somebody asked him to write up something quick and this was the best he could come up with in such short notice.
Too late, all the damage was done.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm
DeleteDianne Webster said it was only table that could seat 9 people, so not a table made by putting other tables together, as Tanner stated.
So now it’s argued that it was the PJ who presented K with a big, round table drawing and she simply agreed with this and placed them all around it.
Not only she agreed has did the PJ. The whole point of the drawing was for the PJ to understand who was facing the apartment and who wasn’t. So, the shape of the table is important as it determines in which direction a person is facing. That’s why it shows where the reception and pool were in relation to the table.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqDVoZiVsAAxj5g.jpg
No doubt that the round shape of the table came from Kate and not the PJ. The explanation we gave, that she described their dining arrangement and the PJ produced a diagram outline of a circle as a result of her description is rejected. Why? Does it make sense that Kate would sign a document she knew to be wrong?
Dianne Webster says she had photos of that table with the T9 sitting around it. Why didn’t she offer to produce them, to show where they were sitting in relation to each other?
Interesting tweets. Rainbows shining…
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InEz ShOoTa! @CaroleShooter
Btw if you're watch tv ads about the wonderful picture quality of the new tellies on sale at the shops on your crappy old one................ #mccann
3:19 am - 22 Oct 2018
https://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1054316941404454912
J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @CaroleShooter
; )
3:22 am - 22 Oct 2018
From “FB Anon”:
ReplyDelete“It's funny how we now have 2 opposing Ben Thompsons, BNT and ANT as I've just come across this gem from BNT on his Laid Bare blog. In March 2017, under a post called "Katie Hopkins - Toeing the McCann line", Ben Thompson posted this:
"Two things we know for sure about Kate and Gerry McCann:
1. They enjoy nothing more than people banging on about neglect, it is after all their alibi, and, whilst people stick on the topic of neglect, they're not discussing the more condemnatory evidence." Ben Thompson then goes on to condemn Katie Hopkins when she tweeted about the McCann's negligence as it was confirming their alibi. He then goes on to say "February 2016; Hopkins writes an article in The Daily Mail about the McCanns, and her outrage at them leaving Madeleine alone. She even signed the article off with the line,
"Maddie wasn't lost because someone took her. She was lost because she was left to be found." The rest of the MSM jumped on this story, labelling the article as an 'astonishing attack on Madeleine McCann's parents'.
This was perfect for Kate and Gerry. For almost 9 years, the McCanns had openly admitted to leaving their kids alone, they had also complained about abuse from 'perfect parents', and here was Hopkins giving them both these things. Confirming the McCanns' version of events, whilst whipping up a hate storm on twitter"........Isn't that exactly what NT and Justice for Madeleine are doing now?”
http://laidbareblog.blogspot.com/2017/03/katie-hopkins-towing-mccann-line.html#comment-form
I wonder if we'll now see a third face of Ben Thompson, a 'post Lizzy Taylor exposed 00Bugsy'. He does love a few multiples, doesn't he?
DeleteMisrepresentation yet again. My point was, that Katie Hopkins had written nothing that the McCanns wouldn't approve of by saying "Madeleine was left to be found". She was in fact backing the abduction theory.
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ReplyDeleteAccident, caused by father, covered up.
Anonymous 21 Oct 2018, 22:31:00,
DeleteThank you and how interesting! Bringing it over.
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The Cry episode 4: Heartbreaking final twist ensures Jenna Coleman drama goes out with a bang
Review Tilly Pearce
***WARNING: Contains spoilers***
Well…that was intense, wasn’t it?
But finally, after four weeks of wondering – the truth is finally out. Joanna, devastated and dragged along into a scheme to cover up her son’s death, is free from her twisted relationship with Alistair.
Compared to Bodyguard, which stood in the time slot before it, the slow-burn of The Cry has been often frustrating at times, but just like Joanna we felt trapped in this relationship as it pushed through.
In the final episode, Alistair continues his abusive, mental manipulation on his wife, holding their son’s gravesite to ransom until she agrees to try for another baby. Guilt trips her into considering a move to Australia and brings his daughter over to Scotland when they do return.
When asked why she allowed him to have such power, future Joanna simply says: ‘Because I gave it to him.’
Jumping back and forth between the broken, past Joanna, and the cold and steadfast future Joanna, baring all to a psychologist, it’s clear that something major happens.
As it turns out, thanks to a chance letter from a person on that fateful 30-hour flight, a major puzzle piece has slipped into place – she had absolutely nothing to do with Noah’s death.
After months of convincing herself she was at fault for the death of her son, it comes to light it was Alistair who administered the wrong dose of medicine that killed their child. He just allowed her to take the fall for it and convinced her it was all her own doing, in a constant quest to maintain control of her.
The moment of realisation for her, and his final, cold admission to it all is a real ‘Jesus take the wheel’ scene of television.
And, just like that, she sends him careering off a cliff by driving them both over a hill. Thankfully she survives, though is blamed for his death as he’s thrown from the vehicle.
It was a long time coming really, brought to the edge of sanity, it was the women surrounding Alistair that kept her somewhat level.
Alexandra knew from experience what Joanna was going through, even when Joanna didn’t know it. Alistair’s mother also knew what he was capable of, and so kept them under her roof to keep an eye on them. Even teenager Chloe, despite her misguided efforts to keep Noah alive and in their thoughts, gave Joanna the strength to stand up to Ali and refuse to have any more children.
The guided fate of Joanna means that by the time she gets to court, she’s ready and willing to accept her fate. But with 10x the strength she’s shown throughout the show.
And Nick “Kelly’s” Anon has done it again, and again in the “holy city” itself, NT’s blog:
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Or that the receptionist/hostess of the millenium restaurant remembers the family coming in for breakfasts. Ah but she couldn't see the tables they screech! Conveniently ignoring that said hostess would check their room number against board type...as happens in every damn resort you care to name. Add in the fact these staff make it their job to remember customers...especially kids. Its a credible sighting...move on.”
Oh Nick…
Granted this time you have spoken about something from the files, while when you stated that the McCanns had been to Kelly’s is something that is not in them and we’re waiting for you to tell us where you know this from.
BUT you’re not supposed to call the attention to the statement of Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo!
Why? Because she blows the whole Tapas dinner hoax wide apart:
“She says that her job is to receive guests at the entrance to the Millenium restaurant and check whether they have to pay for breakfast or whether this is included in their package.
(…)
When asked, she says that due to her work she knows most of the guests given that most of them visit the Millenium as it is the only restaurant that serves breakfast.
When asked, she says that she knows the parents, the siblings and Madeleine. She received them for breakfast on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, she does not know whether they went for breakfast on Sunday or Monday, as these were her days off.
She says that breakfast was served between 08.00 and 10.00 and that the McCanns would arrive between 08.00 and 09.00.”
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CECILIA-DFC.htm
The hoax script is very clear, the McCanns had breakfast in their apartment, NOT at the Mill! Please pay attention!
The excuse for the Tapas dinners was that the Millenium was too far and because it was too far, the Ocean Club did a SPECIAL favour to the group and gave them reservations for the entire week at Tapas.
So, how likely is it that they couldn’t have dinner at the Millenium but could have breakfast there??
Cecília Carmo is, according to your master NT, mistaken somehow. After all, one can easily mistake a family of 5 for another completely different family of 5, right? Who hasn’t at some point of their lives??
Clearly she was confused on “Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday” because the McCanns simply had to have had their breakfast in 5A, so there can be some reality to the Tapas dinners invention.
We are the ones who have to call the attention to Cecilias Carmo’s statement, not you.
Do keep up.
https://twitter.com/TheBunnyReturns/status/1054326924011540481
ReplyDelete00Bugsy @TheBunnyReturns
Replying to @CaroleShooter
I believe so, Nez. None of us truly know, but there's certainly been what Gerry #McCann would describe as "a shift in the investigation". I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, I'm no more in the know than anyone else. However, claiming to KNOW the opposite, is dishonest.
4:01 am - 22 Oct 2018
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Is this a message for Blacksmith??
Some 'prophet' on Cristobell has challenged Bennett about the court costs and any deal he might have done.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if he will take it up?
Anonymous 22 Oct 2018, 15:53:00,
DeleteWe do find it strange – and we are not recommending that any action be taken – that the McCanns have not acted on what we see as clearly as a breach of a sentence.
But our interest is the exact same we have about the McCanns not suing – again we are not proposing any action – Blacksmith for saying the following:
"They are left with newspapers. And here's the first comical irony. Where do the papers get their stories from? Well, little things like libel laws mean that they've come from one source for the last five years or so. Do you begin to get the connection yet? The "researchers'" evidence is coming from Kate and Gerry McCann; and it's provided to them via the MSM, the people that drove Brenda Leyland to her death."
Is he not explicitly accusing the McCanns that they control the news about Maddie. ALL news? Isn’t that a serious accusation to make? Not even speaking about the accusation he makes against them in being responsible for poor Brenda’s suicide.
Blacksmith who has deleted 95% of what he has written because he was scared of being sued, that being the reason he has claimed for having done so, as if internet records are not easily obtainable for legal reasons.
The McCann inaction on both instances – which they would easily win – in our opinion, just shows how powerless they really are.
Hello. I shall ignore the lack of your usual charm about me and correct you only on a matter of fact. Deleting blog posts does not hide anything, obviously.
DeleteI don't expect you to know UK law any better that I understand Portuguese law. Both countries have statutes of limitations. In the case of UK libel law the limitation is one year after the appearance of the offending article - after that year has passed nobody can sue.
Until 2013 the year commenced from the last appearance of the libel anywhere, including twitter. So an article written in print in 2007 but only repeated once on twitter, or a blog, in October 2018, could be the subject of an injunction and action until October 2019. In practice that meant that one could never be certain that one wouldn't be sued for something written decades ago.
In 2013 a new libel act cleaned up this mess: anyone who wishes to sue must do so within a year of the offending article's FIRST appearance and is thereafter debarred. There is thus no reason for an annual cull.
You are quite right - I have made every effort to avoid libelling people, including being careful with my facts. I satisfied myself, as usual, before making the series of claims in the Bureau about the false newsfeeds in which Mitchell was involved that the claims are not libellous and that I have a solid defence of truth for my claims in court. That was both out of fairness to the McCanns and to protect my own pocket. The claims will stay up there for a year. The McCanns won't sue, I can assure you.
I've sent this to you to correct your error as a matter of courtesy and, equally, I am courteous enough to accept your decision if you don't publish it. Since it concerns fact, however, not opinion, and since I wouldn't want your readers to be under a false impression, I'll correct your mistake by posting it up on NT if it doesn't appear here. All for the truth, you know. Cheers.
Interesting you chose to focus solely on why you deleted the posts instead of how you felt comfortable to libel the McCanns after stating that the entire MSM toed their line because they were scared of being sued.
DeleteAs you are so careful with your facts, we are sure that in a court of law you would be able to prove this toeing of line by the MSM. The words we quoted are from yesterday so clearly under libel law.
On the deletion of posts, if they are no longer under libel law, then we suggest that you put them back up again so everyone can read your opinion on the case over the years.
If 02:05 isn't NT then I'm Jesus himself
DeleteI suppose Blacksmith finds NT’s expletive-ridden blog “charming”.
DeleteThey are remarkably thin-skinned when it comes to themselves, but it’s OK for them to call others everything under the sun: much of it scatalogical and anatomical references and an obsession with bodily functions related to incontinence.
Blacksmith is putting the boot into Bennett over at Unbound.
DeleteGiving him a right kicking!
Ah but you and yout ilk obviously do give a f**k. Otherwise you and the gang wouldn't be here spouting garbage. This blog irks doesn't it. If only your butt covering covens got the hits this blog gets.Not a chance of that though is there. The savvy are awake to what is going on. All down to the fabulous graft of the sisters.
DeleteAnonymous 23 Oct 2018, 12:12:00,
DeleteWe don’t care and we don’t want to know what Blacksmith has to say about Mr Bennett.
We see that you are also commenting at NT’s blog:
“Anonymous 22 October 2018 at 12:33
Ha,ha a loon on Hutton has given Bennett a glove slap.
Challenged him over the dirty deal he did to trash Smithman.
Is the loon having a laugh or what?
Baldylocks will never admit to it. Way too dishonest for that!”
Comments like your come across as wanting to promote blog in-fighting. We have published what we are supposing to have been your comments because they have given us the opportunity to clarify facts about the case.
We have published this comment to show what comments we will no longer be publishing.
Thank you for understanding.
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DeleteComment from Anonymous 23 Oct 2018 and our reply at 23 Oct 2018, 16:33:00 15:31:00 have been relocated to comment at 23 Oct 2018, 17:17:00.
Delete“Anonymous23 October 2018 at 14:36
DeleteMr NT
Can you explain what my comment (about Bennett being glove slapped on Hutton) is doing on Textusa?
I posted it here,not there.
Can s/he do that? I thought it was copyright or am I mistaken?
Incidently from what I can gather,but I'm not sure actually,Textusa thinks I have been posting there.This person is nuts, I read there but dont post.
I believe s/he thinks you are several people too.
If she thinks an ip address is similar (can s/he read your posters ip's?)that still doesn't mean it is the same person as many people can be sharing the ip address.
I am all very confused and suggest the men in white coats come and take this Textusa person away as soon as possible.
We can all have some peace then.”
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Mr NT? How subservient! Interesting how NT gets to have a ‘Mr’ treatment
Says s/he: Hey, Textusa, if you are checking IP’s there may be 2 very similar IPs but they are not mine!!
Don’t worry, we don’t check IPs but if we did, we wouldn’t need to know IPs to see the similarity of your “IPs”.
And as you are so obsessed with copyright (an obsession you share with NT, JBLittlemore and Jules) please be aware that we didn’t authorise you to use “Textusa”.
According to you and those listed above, you can’t use it as that word is ours, we own it. Could you please submit a comment with your IP so we can report you?
Thank you.
PS - If you didn't understand, we don't your IP for anything.
https://twitter.com/PollyGraph69/status/1054058037919539200
ReplyDeleteDebbie Lee Perry @PollyGraph69
The #mccann s who never dined at the tapas apart from the the thursday, they maybe threw a few tables so they could sit together, but there wasn't a brt, i will apologise if anyone can show me the brt with the tapas all around it.
10:13 AM - 21 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/xxSilverdoexx/status/1054059215751467009
MichelleSxx @xxSilverdoexx
Replying to @PollyGraph69
Can you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt there wasn't in 2007? The fact that IMO the staff apparently lied through their teeth for people they didn't know seems not plausible to me the PJ also have held back files and may have CCTV footage to prove otherwise....
10:17 am - 21 Oct 2018
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1. There are no unpublished PJ Files:
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2012/01/debunking-urban-myths-unpublished-pj.html
2. Tapas did not have CCTV.
3. Why on earth would the PJ hold back images of the esplanade?
4. Why is it so hard to prove there was a BRT?
Let us put it this way, how hard would it be for a Londoner to prove that the Big Ben exists? Or the London Eye? Buckingham Palace? St Paul’s Cathedral? The Gherkin? It wouldn’t be hard, would it? Why, because all of them stand out where they are. Equally, in such a small space, a table for 9 would stand out, if it existed.
Look at the 2013 photo, the only photo that shows a big round table at Tapas, the table stands out, it’s there, we all can see it. So why on earth it doesn’t appear any more photos. Wouldn’t have been an iconic object as much as the 5A window? Of course it would be. The table where the group sat while Maddie was being abducted. It would have been all over the papers like the window was. But never was, why?
Please don’t say that Brunt has shown the BRT because he hasn’t:
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2012/11/swan-lake-act-3.html
NT has been supposedly ripping apart HideHo take on the nannies last sighting,in particular Cat Baker,saying she seen Maddie. About the creche sheets-"What uncertainties would they be? There are none. The photos and the creche sheets confirm the eyewitness accounts."
ReplyDeleteWhether you believe HdH or not is this just more debunking by the NT blog?
If they rip everyone apart they think they've won... Their vitriol has reached new lows, even for them, with NT as the ring master, and that's saying something. What's fascination to watch is how they destroy someone, turn their bilge around and make it look like they are victims...
DeleteAnonymous 23 Oct 2018, 07:26:00,
DeleteWe believe the creche sheets to be fake. We have started to explain why in our post “3 Penguins in the desert”
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2015/05/3-penguins-in-desert.html
We say that we started as there is much more to say about these sheets than we said in that post.
We seem to disagree with Lizzy HdH in what “terms” the sheets are fake. From what we have been able to understand, Lizzy HdH defends that the information on it, to be more specific the handwritings on them, is fake but that the sheets are genuine.
We believe the creches sheets to be completely fake. Meaning that whatever information they contain should consider that. About the handwritings on them, we consider them to be fake as well, but as we think they were all made up, we think it’s natural to find similarities where there shouldn’t be any and same happening with discrepancies.
This would have happened because when one is making-up documents of something that 20 people (just throwing a number) are supposed to have participated, one doesn’t get 20 people to participate in the inventing but rather 3 to 5 people to do that. These will evidently change the handwritings to suit the person to be signing but there will always be differences and similarities that were not supposed to exist.
Now, what is interesting is that Mr Thompson knows the creche sheets were fake: “We know the creche records were faked” (see our comment at 21 Oct 2018, 15:27:00)
Has he seen the light on this issue as well?
We can’t wait to find out who Mr Thompson is going to say conned him on this. Was it Lizzy HdH? Was it us? Was it Santa Claus?
What a bitter little man you are.
DeleteIs that the best you can do?
DeleteTextusa, I misplaced my comment @15:31. It was not a reply.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 23 Oct 2018, 17:07:00,
DeleteWe did find strange your reply when we were replying to it. Will remove it and put it as a separate comment.
Comment relocated as called to our attention:
ReplyDelete"Anonymous23 Oct 2018, 15:31:00
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1052604339913539586
You should ask what Ben T thinks what McFadden means by her claim that neglect was the Mc alibi."
Our reply also relocated:
Delete"Textusa23 Oct 2018, 16:33:00
Anonymous 23 Oct 2018, 15:31:00,
Pertinent question indeed, thank you!
A little research shows that Isabelle McFadden makes quite the case (there are many more tweets) that negligence is alibi:
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1052435351158083585
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1046649093987037186
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1039001372111196160
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1005867682225246213
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1001880948961566720
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1001505983321989121
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/984202397437149185
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/950414039984758784
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/936352749519749120
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/910151812929306624
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/906172568356323328
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/900268359773638657
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/858008967796080640
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/855493994410672128
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/841908569696014338
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1041915678809190400
Does McFadden also think that Mrs Fenn was lying to prove that Maddie was alive on the 1st as well?
Or is Isabelle McFadden currently brainwashed waiting to see the light like Mr Thompson did when he found the right path that NT showed him?
It seems that McFadden hasn’t fallen over yet, as she cannot claim that she doesn’t know about NT so much has been the publicity Mr Thompson has given him since April!"
So readers are aware of the sort of attacks we are subject to:
ReplyDelete“Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Section 9":
Did you have a hand in the dossier that was handed to Sky News?
This blog smacks of just that. Perhaps you're hoping Martin *unt spots it and you drive someone else to suicide.
Posted by Anonymous to Textusa at 23 Oct 2018, 18:59:00”
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Words falter do describe how low our critics are willing to go.
https://twitter.com/adlyd_meg/status/1053939600207560704
DeleteZora @adlyd_meg
Replying to @carrieanne61 @jules1602x
And there was me thinking you were going to qualify for cult membership lol. Totally agree. Think they were arrogant enough to believe people would just fall in line. But decent folk can see what’s going on and cannot stand the bitterness and vitriol.
2:22 am - 21 Oct 2018
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When they go low, real low, one can only go high, real high.
Do we need to say who wrote this on NT’s blog? We don’t think we do.
Delete“Anonymous23 October 2018 at 11:27
Hi, I don't usually comment on blogs, but I felt compelled to do so over at the Textusa blog tonight. Whilst reading what can only be described as the work of an obsessive stalker who takes the words of those who tweet and do so using their own names, a thought came to me. Can we be certain that the 2014 dossier handed to Sky News, was definitely written by pros?
I only ask as Textusa is doing the very same, despite knowing what happened to Brenda Leyland. She/he is taking comments from twitter, and twisting them to suit his/her agenda.
She/he is using people's real names whilst her/himself hiding behind anonymity. I have no problem with people keeping their names a secret from prying eyes by the way, but what I am witnessing over there should be investigated by the police.
The way I see it this blog tackles lies from a person with complete anonymity, and whilst it might be annoying for "Textusa" to have their lies exposed, it doesn't affect their personal life in any way. What Textusa is doing though, is far worse, and could lead to severe consequences.
The more I read, the more I believe Textusa could well have been responsible for the dossier. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. Either way, the principle is exactly the same.
She/he is no better than those who put the dossier together, they're worse actually. We have the benefit of knowing what can happen - and yet Textusa still continues to stalk people, lie about them, and frighteningly she/he seems to enjoy it.”
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The apology of using one’s name while squirming to explain why NT not using his name is absolutely correct while insisting we lie: “The way I see it this blog [Not Textusa] tackles lies from a person [Textusa] with complete anonymity”.
The headbanging obsession about gender…
Honestly, we think Brenda Leyland should be shown more respect and not be used in games of desperation.
yet another planted question to go back the masters blog. Dont even think this is "at" you,more likely for the few who read the NT blig and dont know the game!
DeleteYou definitely wouldn't need to tell me who wrote the above comment on the hypocrite NT's blog, it's obvious! Bit weird how it's taken 4 full years for that anon to make a 'connection', however despicably remote, between this blog and Brenda Leyland's tragic demise - disgraceful opportunism at it's worst!
DeleteAnd by the way, how would that Anon define 'stalking', or is it just exaggerated victim pleas?
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13785p25-petition-asking-for-the-mccanns-to-be-charged-with-neglect
ReplyDeleteBen and co are praising Phoebe for her efforts to support the Smith sighting against T and fighting her corner on JH.
Do they agree with her that the T9 could have had a defence against neglect by saying there was always somebody present at 5a, but instead, they promoted neglect?
Anonymous 23 Oct 2018, 21:42:00,
DeleteBringing Phoebe's comment over to the blog, hoping we have the right one:
"Re: PETITION ASKING FOR THE McCANNS TO BE CHARGED WITH NEGLECT
Post by Phoebe on 21.03.17 14:54
I've never understood why the McCanns, who lied about so much else, wouldn't have told another little porkie to save themselves if their big fear was being deemed negligent. Madeleine was allegedly seen alive and well by Gerry just after 9pm and he was still in the area talking to Jez at 9.15pm when Jane allegedly passed them. She walked around past Madeleine's window to enter by her front door. Russell again walked past on his way back for his reheated steak. No chance for abduction so far. Matt allegedly checked inside the apartment at 9.30pm-no sign of anything amiss. As Jane was now back next door but one, why didn't they ask her to say she did some listening checks outside Madeleine's instead of the made up tale of Tannerman? The McCanns could have easily claimed that first Russell, then Jane were listening out for their kids while minding Ella. That would have caused problems for negligence claims. I believe they persuaded Matt to lie about his check so why not lie about other checks? Why not also claim that the missing adult on previous nights was on constant checking patrol? To me, they welcomed negligence as without opportunity how could Madeleine have been abducted."
From "FB Anon":
Delete"The McCanns certainly welcomed negligence and HAD to show that there was an opportunity for abduction. In an interview with Sandra Felgueiras, she asked how it was possible for an intruder to enter their apartment if they were checking every 15 minutes. “No, that’s not what we said” replied Gerry “It was every 30 minutes” The McCanns were admitting to being MORE negligent than they were being accused of! It’s about 4 minutes in when Sandra asks the question:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MV4Ck61Favg"
If they were 'more' negligent they might diffuse and hide what really happened - i.e. the child is lost; it's our fault because we should have kept a more watchful eye. Nothing to do with covering up what really happened, or who else was in on it.
DeleteThere are 2 different no-neglect theories.
ReplyDeleteTheory #1 – There were no Tapas dinners (we don’t consider the Thursday “dinner” as one) and the children were taken care of by professional nannies while the adults dined wherever they wished to dine in the region;
Theory #2 – There were Tapas dinners but the T9 made up a roster whereby one adult remained in one of the apartments taking care of the children.
Theory #1 is ours and no one discusses it except for us. Not even as a possibility.
Theory #2 is based on the statements of the T9 and Tapas staff. The Tapas staff statements only support this theory in terms of allegedly confirming that the dinners took place even though no one has been able to explain the strange similarities between these statements nor the bizarre fact that the staff seem to remember details they wouldn’t be expected to while not remembering others much more evident:
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2011/03/insanes-plea-to-temporary-insanity.html
When Mr Thompson wrote his negligence apology post he attacked theory #2:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/JusticeForMadeleine/permalink/1694717383957662/
“I have to say I find the attacks, and force feeding of the 'no neglect' theory upon those who believe the kids were left alone, quite arrogant. It's true that one adult was missing from the table on various nights, but that doesn't necessarily mean the kids weren't left alone. The crux of the evidence, as I myself have shown many times, is as follows:
Sunday April 29th: Matt Oldfield may not have been at dinner as he was alleged to be too ill, and did nothing on the Sunday.
"Reply 'So Sunday was pretty much a write-off and I was thinking, oh, the start of my holiday and I'm not doing anything that day'.
4078 'Yeah. So Monday was really your first proper holiday day''
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/…/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.…
Monday 30th, or Tuesday 1st: Russell O'Brien was not at dinner
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm
Wednesday 2nd: Jane Tanner was late to dinner, as her daughter was ill.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER-10MAY.htm
Rachael O'Brien (Mampilly) was not at dinner as she was unwell.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/…/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-11-MAY07.…
Quiz mistress confirms one of the group was missing at dinner,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NAJOUA_CHEKAYA.htm
However, it must be noted that this was only a reported theory. It was far from a conclusion, and isn't described as such anywhere in the PJ files. In fact, ignoring the statements of the tapas 9 for a moment, if we look at the statement of Mrs Fenn - the lady who had an apartment directly above the McCanns, she describes an event of a seemingly unattended child, crying for an hour and fifteen minutes:
"She also refers to the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted ?Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm”
We are trusting Mr Thompson’s research. If he has missed something we would like to ask for that to be pointed out.
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ReplyDeleteWe are using his post because it summarises quite nicely what is said to substantiate no-neglect theory #2.
This theory, in our opinion presents the following problems:
If on “Monday 30th, or Tuesday 1st: Russell O'Brien was not at dinner” then one of these days is left without an adult in the apartment, which would mean neglect did happen on that day.
If what Mrs Fenn says is true, then what was the adult assigned to the children that night doing for one hour and fifteen minutes? Whoever it was, being there or not being there didn’t make a difference.
The Thursday dinner, for those believing that the dinners are genuine, proves that at least when that particular dinner started there was negligence as the entire group was at Tapas at the same time.
Why didn’t the rostered adult stay in the apartment because s/he was sick or had twisted an ankle that afternoon?
They all, allegedly, went to Tapas that night. Did they know Maddie was going to be abducted?
If they wanted to conceive the idea that people could read between the lines that one adult was always left in building 5, then Thursday is left out. If they wanted to defend themselves from negligence by beating about the bush leaving clues for people to find on the other days, and then leave Thursday out. Why?
They weren’t negligent on the other days but decided to be on Thursday, why?
Did they want wanted to save the face of the “incompetent” adult who was supposed to be overseeing the children? Why? Would that be more important than helping the police find out what happened?
Oh wait, they were lying right? Yes, but apparently not about that, not about slipping in notes to show how in fact they were not negligent when they needed to be negligent because otherwise there would be no abduction! Because if there had been an adult in the apartments looking over all the kids, there wouldn’t be an abduction!
Another theory we have seen around (no, we cannot quote from who nor are we going to look for who said it and if you prefer attribute it to our imagination) that there was indeed an adult overlooking all the children but Maddie who because she’s alleged to have been a difficult child (alleged by who? The McCanns, how convenient) was left alone in 5A so as not to disturb the other children?
Seriously? Besides the fact that we are supposed to believe that a 4 year old is treated like a deported refugee, if she was a difficult child, if she disturbed the others, wouldn’t she be the one who would have been paid attention to at all times?
Was Maddie some sort of Gremlin who transformed for whatever reason into a vicious monster that she needed to be isolated in her own cage, pardon, apartment? We’re talking about a 4 year old, for goodness sake. If she was so difficult that she required special treatment, the family would have adapted themselves to her behaviour which needed to be constantly supervised and would have arranged for dinner to be brought to the apartment by then. Tapas did have, or so it’s said, take-away, remember?
No-negligence by adult present in apartments makes even less sense than negligence. Negligence gives opportunity for abduction on any night, which happened to have, allegedly, been on Thursday.
No-negligence by adult present in apartments only allows for abduction for Thursday. Why would that be?
Well, technically it could have happened Monday as well, as the adult who allegedly allowed Maddie to cry for one hour and fifteen minutes would have been grateful grateful for someone to come and take care of the crying child.
But for us, there’s one detail that makes this no-negligence by adult present in apartments very interesting and that is that it’s perfectly logical and reasonable to say that an adult stayed in one of the apartments and took care of all the children there while the other adults were having fun elsewhere, as long as that adult is one of the T9.
Make that adult a nanny and the “elsewhere” truly an elsewhere and all becomes ludicrous, ridiculous, absurd… even ludicrous. Why?
https://mobile.twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1054707387188293632
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper@FragrantFrog
Replying to @EricaCantona7 @DesireeLWiggin1 and 6 others
Go & ask NT to explain it to you in the simplest possible terms. You can't pick & mix DNA markers from a multi-coloured swap shop.
1:13 PM · Oct 23, 2018
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No, no, no!
Frog, you know the person to go to is JBLittlemore and not NT!!
JBLittlemore is the one who seems to have the REAL scientific knowledge, not NT no matter how much NT claims to be a scientist.
Why doesn't NT/Walker/Wright defend Murat as passionately as he defends others?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 25 Oct 2018, 15:22:00,
DeleteFirstly let us make it clear that we have only said NT was Walkercan1000, currently Amoralis. You are saying that Walker is Michael Wright. Others have stated the same on Twitter.
We will not confirm or deny that and will leave up to people to come to their own conclusions. Within team we have an opinion that we will keep to ourselves.
We agree that he does not defend Murat with the same passion he defends others like Mrs Fenn, the nannies, the minor TS, the Tapas staff.
Maybe because the people he passionately defends were those he convinced that they could do what he was asking of them by promising them that there would be ABSOLUTELY no problems whatsoever in the future as everything as under control but that time has proven that his promises were ABSOLUTELY worthless? Just saying…
What's your evidence for this?
DeleteIt sounds like a malicious attempt to make people attack him for things said by others and that's pretty cowardly
Ben T uses the word coward very frequently.
Deletehttps://news.sky.com/story/sir-philip-green-named-as-businessman-behind-daily-telegraph-injunction-11535325?fbclid=IwAR2p5-MzMHE8NljwcO8xbf3Dz8q19Vhg0MbhGyfubqyMUHyuUY_rK8tANAE
ReplyDeleteSir Philip Green named as businessman behind newspaper injunction
15:44, UK, Thursday 25 October 2018
Topshop owner Sir Philip Green has been named as the businessman behind an injunction against the Daily Telegraph newspaper.
Speaking in the House of Lords on Thursday, Labour peer Lord Hain used parliamentary privilege to name Sir Philip.
The former cabinet minister told peers: "I feel it's my duty under parliamentary privilege to name Philip Green as the individual in question given that the media have been subject to an injunction preventing publication of the full details of this story which is clearly in the public interest."
Lord Hain said the case involved "a powerful businessman using non-disclosure agreements and substantial payments to conceal the truth about serious and repeated sexual harassment, racist abuse and bullying which is compulsively continuing".
On Wednesday, Prime Minister Theresa May told MPs it is "clear" some employers are using non-disclosure agreements "unethically" but refused to comment on "a particular case that is currently before the courts".
Billionaire Sir Philip, 66, is the chairman of Arcadia Group, which includes high street brands Topshop, Topman, Wallis, Evans, Burton, Miss Selfridge, Dorothy Perkins and Outfit.
The BHS department store used to be part of the chain until its collapse two years ago.
The Daily Telegraph reported on Wednesday a senior executive in a company group had hired at least seven lawyers and spent close to £500,000 in legal fees in his quest to get an injunction against the newspaper.
Under the court ruling, it is illegal to reveal the businessman's identity or to identify the companies, as well as what he is accused of doing or how much he paid his alleged victims.
Mrs May told MPs on Wednesday the government will look at ways to improve rules around non-disclosure agreements and make it "explicit" to companies when they cannot be used.
Speaking during Prime Minister's Questions, she said: "Sexual harassment in the workplace is against the law.
"Such abhorrent behaviour should not be tolerated and an employer that allows that harassment of women to go undealt with is sending a message about how welcome they are and about their value in the workplace.
"So, just as we won't accept any behaviour that causes people to feel intimidated or humiliated in the workplace, there must be consequences for failing to comply with the law.
"Non-disclosure agreements cannot stop people from whistleblowing but it is clear some employers are using them unethically.
"The government is going to bring forward measures for consideration for consultation to seek to improve the regulation around non-disclosure agreements and make it absolutely explicit to employees when a non-disclosure agreement does not apply or cannot be enforced."
More follows...
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45981436
ReplyDeleteSir Philip Green named over harassment claims
3 minutes ago
Sir Philip Green is the chairman of Arcadia Group, a retail empire that includes Topshop, Topman, Wallis, Evans, Miss Selfridge and Dorothy Perkins.
The tycoon's life story is rich in character and anecdote, from his failed attempts to take over Marks & Spencer to the lavish lifestyle that has attracted accusations of tax avoidance.
In 2016, he was branded the "unacceptable face of capitalism" after BHS, the retail chain he sold in March 2015 for £1, went into administration leaving a £571m hole in its pension fund.
MPs claimed that Sir Philip had extracted large sums from BHS and left the business on "life support".
Retail billionaire Sir Philip Green has been named in Parliament as the businessman accused of sexual harassment.
Lord Peter Hain, who identified him in the Lords, said it was his duty to name him, given the "serious and repeated" nature of the allegations.
On Tuesday, the Telegraph ran an article accusing an unnamed businessman of racial and sexual abuse of staff.
A legal injunction prevented the Telegraph from publishing his identity.
The legal injunction has not been lifted, but Lord Hain's statement, made under Parliamentary privilege, has been widely reported in the UK media.
The BBC has not been able to verify the allegations contained in the Telegraph's report.
The newspaper said it spent eight months investigating allegations of bullying, intimidation and sexual harassment made against the businessman.
Who is Sir Philip Green?
Sir Philip Green is the chairman of Arcadia Group, a retail empire that includes Topshop, Topman, Wallis, Evans, Miss Selfridge and Dorothy Perkins.
The tycoon's life story is rich in character and anecdote, from his failed attempts to take over Marks & Spencer to the lavish lifestyle that has attracted accusations of tax avoidance.
In 2016, he was branded the "unacceptable face of capitalism" after BHS, the retail chain he sold in March 2015 for £1, went into administration leaving a £571m hole in its pension fund.
MPs claimed that Sir Philip had extracted large sums from BHS and left the business on "life support"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1562995/Madeleine-McCann-Tycoons-withdraw-support.html?fbclid=IwAR28Wk5gPFG-0fIbvoE8ROA2oVT79SbSTE0HrBkkCpJvFZXFAuj6DRJnRQo
ReplyDelete“A number of well known figures have publicly supported the McCanns including JK Rowling, Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson, Topshop owner Philip Green and EasyJet founder Sir Stelios Haji-Ioannou.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1553065/Maddys-parents-leave-for-Vatican.html
“Sir Philip Green, the British billionaire retail tycoon, has loaned his private jet to the McCanns for their visit to Rome. Mr Mitchell said: "They are travelling around Europe for a reason: to help bring back Madeleine."
They have emphasised that they do not want to be seen as a "celebrity couple" and only accepted Sir Philip's "kind" offer for practical reasons, and so that they could get back to see the twins as soon as possible.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2018/oct/25/uk-information-watchdog-upholds-500000-facebook-fine-politics-live?CMP=fb_gu
ReplyDeleteSir Philip Green named in parliament as businessman in 'British #MeToo scandal' - Politics live
Politics live with Andrew Sparrow
22m ago15:52
What is parliamentary privilege?
The court of appeal issued a temporary injunction blocking the Telegraph for naming Sir Philip Green on Tuesday. This overturned an earlier finding by the high court that naming the businessman was in the public interest. According to the ruling, five former employees signed NDAs after “substantial settlements” were made. The case was scheduled to be heard in full at the high court.
But Lord Hain has used his parliamentary privilege to name the businessman. Parliamentary privilege enables politicians to speak freely in the houses of parliament without fear of being sued for defamation.
The Houses of Parliament website describes it as:
Parliamentary privilege grants certain legal immunities for Members of both Houses to allow them to perform their duties without interference from outside of the House. Parliamentary privilege includes freedom of speech and the right of both Houses to regulate their own affairs.
On Wednesday Theresa May told the Commons that it was important that the government tightened up the use of NDAs, saying “it is clear that some employers are using them unethically”.
“Non-disclosure agreements cannot stop people from whistleblowing, but it is clear that some employers are using them unethically,” May told MPs at prime minister’s questions. She said the government was going to bring forward its consultation “to seek to improve the regulation around non-disclosure agreements and make it absolutely explicit to employees when a non-disclosure agreement does not apply and when it cannot be enforced”.
She was responding to a question from Labour’s Jess Phillips, who said: “It seems our laws allow rich and powerful men to do what they want as long as they pay to keep it quiet”.
1h ago15:12
Sir Philip Green named in Parliament as businessman at centre of Britain's #MeToo scandal
Sir Philip Green has been named in Parliament as the businessman at the centre of Britain’s #MeToo scandal.
Lord Peter Hain, the former Leader of the House of Commons, revealed the name under parliamentary privilege, saying it was his ‘duty’.
Speaking in the House of Lords he said:
Someone intimately involved in the case of a powerful businessman using non-disclosure agreements and substantial payments to conceal the truth about serious and repeated sexual harassment, racist abuse and bullying which is compulsively continuing I feel it’s my duty under parliamentary privilege to name Philip Green as the individual in question given that the media have been subject to an injunction preventing publication of the full details of this story which is clearly in the public interest.
The Telegraph revealed on Tuesday that it had spent the past eight months investigating allegations of bullying, intimidation and sexual harassment made against the businessman, but was prevented from revealing details of the non-disclosure deals by Sir Terence Etherton, the Master of the Rolls, the second most senior judge in England and Wales.
Interesting tweets from the one who now says that the dogs only alerted to what COULD be blood and, by equal reasoning, what COULD only be cadaver scent:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/LittlemoreJB/status/727237769634930696
Jay Littlemore @LittlemoreJB
Until the dogs are proven wrong (ie a live M #Mccann) their indications/alerts remain circumstantial evidence of what might have befallen M.
1:46 pm - 2 May 2016
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https://twitter.com/LittlemoreJB/status/727243353318936576
Jay Littlemore @LittlemoreJB
Replying to @walkercan1000
@walkercan1000 I didn't say results - I said their alerts have not been proven wrong. That's a fact. #Mccann Remain circumstantial evidence.
2:08 pm - 2 May 2016
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https://twitter.com/LittlemoreJB/status/727245074107629569
Jay Littlemore @LittlemoreJB
Replying to @walkercan1000
@walkercan1000 What speck of whatever did the cadaver dog alert to, dear? #Mccann
2:15 pm - 2 May 2016
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https://twitter.com/LittlemoreJB/status/727247698139729920
Jay Littlemore @LittlemoreJB
Replying to @walkercan1000
@walkercan1000 The dogs indicated/alerted as trained to do. Up to police etc., to find the proof to back up the intelligence. #Mccann
2:25 pm - 2 May 2016
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https://twitter.com/LittlemoreJB/status/727250200302092288
Jay Littlemore @LittlemoreJB
Replying to @walkercan1000
@walkercan1000 Intelligence is information which might lead to evidence/proof. Until then it is still circumstantial evidence. #Mccann
2:35 pm - 2 May 2016
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https://twitter.com/LittlemoreJB/status/727251645554397185
Jay Littlemore @LittlemoreJB
Replying to @walkercan1000
@walkercan1000 The alerts are circumstantial evidence. On the files. Still there. No dismissal. #Mccann
2:41 pm - 2 May 2016
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https://twitter.com/LittlemoreJB/status/727252624525934594
Jay Littlemore @LittlemoreJB
Replying to @walkercan1000
@walkercan1000 I don't need to. You do. #Mccann
2:45 pm - 2 May 2016
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Dogs ARE circumstantial evidence. Says JBLittlemore. Sorry, said JBLittlemore.
Are you saying that JBL is saying ‘Evidence could be evidence’ - when, in actual fact, evidence of itself IS evidence?
DeleteAnonymous 26 Oct 2018, 11:58:00,
DeleteJBLittlemore above is saying that evidence is evidence. What he’s saying in these tweets is correct and true.
What we are showing is that the recent 2018 JBLittlemore contradicts the 2016 one. Nothing that “could be” can be considered as evidence in a court of law. And the dogs, as we have shown multiple times, have been accepted as evidence.
Circumstantial evidence is evidence. It has been proven that blood and cadaver scent were found in apartment. This evidence is only circumstantial because it won’t seal the case by itself because it doesn’t prove to who the blood and cadaver scent belonged to.
Note that this circumstantial evidence together with other circumstantial evidence may well be enough to charge. It only has to surpass the threshold of reasonable doubt and that is a subjective concept. In no law book is it written that with only scientific corroboration is that threshold surpassed.
JBLittlemore agreed with us, only lately has decided to defend something else.
So that our readers fully understand what JBLittlemore’s role is in this case, we will bring over our Post Scriptum to our post “The Third Option”:
Deletehttps://textusa.blogspot.com/2016/03/third-option.html
“POST SCRIPTUM #1 (13MAR16 10H00):
Concerning Insane’s “scientific expertise” in what pertains the Maddie case we think the following dialogue that we captured from the TV Series The People V. OJ Simpson – American Crime Story (Episode 3) representing a meeting of OJ Simpson’s legal team discussing tactics to follow on physical evidence is quite a read:
Alan Dershowitz - You know what, time is short so let’s get to your biggest obstacle, the overwhelming physical evidence, all of which seems to support the conclusion that OJ did it.
Robert Shapiro - Ok, we understand that, so why don’t you tell us something we don’t know, why don’t you suggest something?
AD - Barry?
Barry Scheck - Well, how much do you gentleman know about DNA evidence?
RS - Pretend not much…
BS - That’s ok, because not a lot of people do. But it is on the verge of revolutionising criminal law, in a couple of years it will be at the crux of any case of violence without eye witnesses.
RS - Can you see DNA through a microscope?
BS - No, a DNA molecule is about 2 nanometres in width where a human hair is about 80 thousand nanometres, so it presents representation with electrons and scanning tunnelling, atomic force microscopes…
RS - Ok, ok, cut to the quick… can you use DNA to show it was someone else?
BS - Not at all, I mean the chances of one individual’s DNA profile matching another person is extremely small, it is roughly one in a billion.
RS - Great, we’re screwed! What’s your contribution here anyway?
AD - Hold on Bob, you’re so emotional…
RS - Oh, c’mon, c’mon…
AD - Barry, clarify your strategy.
BS - Ok, I’m not going to contest the DNA matches, I’m going to keep them out of court entirely! If it can be shown that there may have been errors in the collection or the handling of the samples used for the prosecution’s DNA analysis we could contest the validity of the evidence itself! At best, we get some of it thrown out, at worst we get the jury to question it, the very idea!
AD - We will attack every assumption, question every single molecule of evidence, every aspect of how that molecule was gathered, handled and analysed! We will disrupt their presentation of physical evidence at every turn! We will hack at them! Make every piece of evidence presented either thrown out, untrustworthy or confusing! No quarter!
The OJ Simpson trial was in 1994/1995.
Over 20 years ago.
Yet, the tactics to disrupt the credibility of physical evidence do continue to be used to this day. And so familiar to us all in this case.
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We believe that JBLittlemore’s mission is to cast doubt over the forensics of this case.
Over on the dark side the usual clique are behaving like hyenas afraid to go in for the kill. Each one looks for a signal from the other, but are all terrified to make the first move. Instead, the pack moves around, trembling, displaying their rotten teeth.
ReplyDeleteAfter failing to get the better of hideho I see the humiliated lick spittles on NT have reverted to dissing cmomm again.
ReplyDeleteSue
What happened to NT's S&S book review?
DeleteMaybe they have a point.
DeleteLook at the way Phoebe is being set up again by the admin on that forum.
They have only one agenda there.To discredit the Smith family and will stop at nothing to achieve that aim.
I wonder why.
Looks like I spoke too soon. NT back on Hideho character assassination. Would it not be simpler just to say 'I do not agree with your theory' without having to show yourself up as a total bully?
ReplyDeleteSue
ReplyDeleteNT..The stupid bitch can't even read her own "research", it would appear.
Kate and fiona agree, and the creche register confirms this.
And "Catriona claims not to remember" CLEARLY implies that she was not being truthful. This is the problem, Lizzie. You can't even be honest with yourself, let alone anyone else
And the point you STILL DON'T GET is that it does not make any bloody difference because plenty of people saw her, a written record agrees with the witness accounts and it does not outweigh the prima facie evidence - do you not understand that? Then you have no business describing yourself as a researcher, you plank.
read and discuss as they said at my old school!
Anonymous 26 Oct 2018, 22:28:00 and Anonymous 26 Oct 2018, 22:29:00,
ReplyDeleteWe ask you and all our other readers not to bring over the games NT is playing with the other people who write about the case, to be specific Lizzy HdH and Mr Bennett.
Our stance is to respect whatever is written on the case.
In much the same way that we trust our own judgement when we read what they propose, we must trust that others will, like ourselves, read and judge for themselves.
We simply state where we depart from their theories, without condemning them. When we do this, we let readers to come to their own conclusions on whether we are right or wrong.
We depart with Lizzy HdH, even though she hasn’t been dogmatic, in believing the Millenium receptionist, who she thinks was mistaken in identifying the McCann family. We think that she has identified them correctly.
Lizzy HdH trusts fully in the statement of one particular cleaner, who we believe has been very economical with the truth. About this cleaner, we haven’t written about her so readers will simply have to take our word about her for now.
We depart with Mr Bennett on the Smith sighting as we trust fully in the statements of the Smith family. We also depart in all arguments presented by Mr Bennett to substantiate that the Last Photo was taken on Sunday. We believe that photo to be a composite of 3 pictures, one taken when Maddie was alive and in Praia da Luz and the other two afterwards. We have presented our reasons in the following posts
https://textusa.blogspot.com/2015/11/non-post.html
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-pool-photo.html
We believe that Maddie died on May 3 2007 at about 18:30. Readers familiar with both Lizzy HdH and Mr Bennett’s theories can see that is a significant departure from them. Lack of photos and people not reporting seeing Maddie has, for us, another explanation other than early death, and that is that what was happening in Luz was not prone to picture taking, so we accept the lack of images.
When anyone lies about us, we react. We have reacted to many, including to Mr Bennett.
We even respect NT who in 5 years of blogging has only put out a precis, supporting neglect and death by sedation, without providing where and how the files support him nor where or how does Mr Amaral support this theory.
Before we are attacked on this, let us say upfront that Mr Amaral has never supported the swinging theory. We have shown what is in the files that supports this theory.
We have only brought up Mr Amaral and the files because NT fills his mouth in accusing us of proposing a theory that, says he, has no support in the files and that basically denigrated Mr Amaral by saying he was incompetent. Someone who accuses others of this must then be accountable in not doing same when proposing a theory. For that reason alone, we are waiting for NT to show us where his sedation theory is backed up in the files and where has Mr Amaral ever supported it.
We believe we know the reason why NT is attacking Lizzy HdH and why they are twisting themselves to a breaking point in joining us at the hip with her and Mr Bennett.
We must say the conclusion we have come to pleases us, so let’s let NT continue his little game, having set aside, apparently, his talent, so much-praised by his own, for reviewing books.
We hope you understand. Thank you.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/philip-green-threats-bullying-intimidation-13482620
ReplyDeletePhilip Green: Threats, bullying and intimidation claims made against tycoon at centre of #MeToo scandal
The Topshop tycoon has confessed to having a short fuse, with several colleagues speaking about his 'bullying' nature that would reduce some to tears
By Tom DavidsonOnline Reporter
20:28, 26 OCT 2018
Sir Philip Green has admitted in the past to having a short fuse - and ex-colleagues know just how short.
The business tycoon once reportedly unloaded on a womenswear buyer who had been overpaying for clothes.
According to author Oliver Shah, he barked at her: "You're absolutely f***ing useless.
"I should throw you out of the window but you're so fat you'd probably bounce back in again."
In his book Damaged Goods: The Inside Story of Sir Philip Green, Shah alleges Green - dubbed 'Sir Shifty' following the BHS scandal - would regularly reduce his workforce to tears after launching angry tirades
A senior member of staff said he would leave meetings to take calls and find junior colleagues in tears.
On Wednesday Green was named in the House of Lords by Lord Peter Hain as the businessman who tried to gag the press from reporting on allegations of bullying, racism and sexual harrassment.
The Daily Telegraph reported that interviews with five members of Sir Philip's staff revealed that victims had been paid "substantial sums" in return for legal commitments not to discuss their alleged experiences of sexual and racial harrassment.
He has strenuously denied any wrongdoing.
"I'll get my friends south of the river to come for you"
But the stories of his quick temper and ferocious anger are well documented in the cut-throat business world.
In 1992, before Sir Philip was a household name for mixing in high-profile circles, he directed his ire at non-executive director Leslie Warman who had just stood down from clothing firm Amber Day.
Sir Philip is alleged to have said: "If you don't shut your f***ing mouth, I'll get my friends south of the river to come for you and your family."
Five years later it was Richard Rivlin, a journalist for The Sunday Telegraph, who faced his rage.
Rivlin was looking into the collapse of clothing supplier Helene when Green called him.
According to a journalist who was involved Green warned him: "We know where you live. We're going to come after you."
The police were called and they visited the office of the newspaper, only to tell Rivlin and then-editor Neil Bennett to "leave Philip alone".
Despite the threat, two decades later Bennett became Green's spokesman.
In 2003, then Guardian City reporter, Ian Griffiths – a qualified accountant – published an analysis of Green's finances.
"He can't read English, he's a f***ing Irishman"
He did not respond well and unleashed a foul-mouthed tirade against the reporter and paper.
He shouted that then financial editor, Paul Murphy, was unable to read English “because he’s a f***ing Irishman”.
In 2003, he printed the exchanges.
Despite these reports circulating Sir Philip's status as 'king of the high street' seemed untouchable with a knighthood in 2006 and even a job offer from David Cameron - until 2016.
In April of that year, despite repeated denials by Green, the BHS pensions scandal broke into the open.
It was revealed Green and his partners had taken out more than £400m in dividends from BHS before selling the company for £1 - with an enormous pension deficit.
"Be careful walking down a dark alley"
Green didn't take the increased focus on his handling of BHS, which collapsed with 12,000 people losing their jobs, well.
He called Sunday Times business editor Dominic O'Connell: "Be careful next time you're walking down a dark alley on your way home."
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ReplyDeleteOne anecdote at Arcadia HQ is particularly famous: the installation of a new IT system had gone well over budget.
The executive responsible was called into Sir Philip's office where he was faced with a large pile of cash on the desk.
"That's how much you cost me," barked Green - and fired him.
"Young women were reduced to tears"
Brian Hill the former head of menswear at BHS, called Green a "vulgar bully" and a "thoroughly disgusting human being".
Hill told Oliver Shah for the Damaged Goods book: "You would see young women, particularly, reduced to tears.
"Philip would often have a meeting before he flew off in his jet to Monaco and he would just pick one person and batter them.
"The horrible thing is that something you would sit there and think "Thank God it's not me"."
In 1999 Green shot into the public sphere with his attempted take over of Marks & Spencer.
It became a bitter battle and there was a public spat between the now-billionaire and M&S's then chief executive Stuart Rose.
"I'm calling you a c***"
He allegedly grabbed him by the lapels and subjected him to a stream of abuse.
"I hear you've been calling me a plonker," Rose said.
Green replied: "I'm not calling you a plonker. I'm calling you a c***".
According to a former personal assistant Green loved using the vulgar c-word
Samantha Watson claims that Sir Philip routinely bullied her and called her a "fat, Geordie c***."
Miss Watson, 42, worked as a PA for Richard Desmond when he was close friends with the Topshop boss.
She said: "He is probably the worst person I have ever met and just so rude and obnoxious."
"Probably the worst person I have ever met"
Miss Watson said: "He would phone in and if I was even a milisecond late in transferring the call he would call me every name under the sun."
The 42-year-old said there was irony with Green calling a woman fat.
"He was a greasy little squirt with his big belly sticking through his shirt buttons.
"To call a woman "fat" he must have known was designed to intimidate and hurt, something most girls are sensitive about."
The businessman has previously objected to the claims by Miss Watson and denied he was a bully.
Friends have pointed to the fact his two long-standing PAs have been with him for 18 and 24 years respectively as proof he treats his staff well.
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Basically, it seems that down at NT’s blog, this gentleman’s personality would be qualified as colourful and everyone there would enjoy immensely his company!
Is NT Andy Fish on twitter?
ReplyDeleteThey sound very similar or is he just a disciple?
Anonymous 27 Oct 2018, 09:59:00,
DeleteIt's our belief that they are different people.
I'm not NT & nobody's disciple!
DeleteAs Textusa more than knows!
Cheers.
Andy
still never fails to amaze me how quick, those who never read here,reply to posts they never look at!
DeleteNT, i believe is the creation of a long time poster. One who has been on most forums. Respected for their liberal views on politics with a keen eye on all things McCann.They are charming most of the time and well able to be all things to all men.Although they have also had some glorious "cat fights". All IMO only.
ReplyDeleteYou need to remind that NT/ Watchers’s revised Smith timeline has never been addressed.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Phoebe on JH will tackle him on this as she’s been praised for her work in supporting the Smith sighting against TB’s views, by the gang who attack everyone else.
http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.com/2014/06/madeleine-mccann-is-this-proof-that.html
ReplyDeleteLesly Finn believes it was photoshop.
She doesn’t believe M was alive on 3rd.
This was 2014. She must have a different opinion now!?
Anonymous 28 Oct 2018, 13:44:00,
DeleteIt looks like she’s another one who was conned!
She didn’t have a “Orlov incident” with us that we can recall, so we don’t know when did she ever say she’d changed her mind about the photo and when did she commit herself to death before 3rd.
She can blame us for conning her about the photo but she can’t blame us for the early death theory associated with it, by others.
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Deletehttps://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1056689779813875712
ReplyDeleteGreen Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @jules1602x
Pssst. Let's see if Textusa finds this post.
Pic of BRT + Sky News video 4/5/07 - what are the odds of same photographer in same clothes?........
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqoaVTIXcAAP7o3.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqodkDHWsAEPqoE.jpg
4:30 pm - 28 Oct 2018
[Attached, 2 pictures. One of the T9 being taken for questioning on May 4 and the other already posted by the Frog of the Tapas esplanade. Circled in both the same man, a photographer]
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Frog,
We never pretend we don’t see things.
Very interesting tweet. Do keep digging your hole deeper. It's really helping clarify things.
By the way, if this proved us wrong, we would be the first to admit. It doesn't. At all.
Madeleine CaseTweets
ReplyDelete@McCannCaseTweet
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23m
Sometimes people try to find oddities where they don’t exist..I’ve done it myself. Sometimes a bit of reflection can clear things up.#mccann Truth is McCanns have said and done things that mount as evidence against them, but as Supreme Court said, not yet sufficient for charges
this from the person who has spoken to officers on both investigations and tells everyone that charges are about to be brought!
https://mobile.twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1056949170836332547
I think I have worked out what is happening.
ReplyDeleteI expect you have too Textusa.
NT is playing everyone for chumps.
By attacking all Maddie sites and on twitter via his proxies,he is getting everyone at each others throats.And when everyone is fighting each other,they are not looking at the bigger picture.
Very clever actually.But how do we stop him and his games? Easier said than done I suspect as everybody has to be singing the same tune at the same time and not rise to any provocations.
Anonymous 29 Oct 2018, 19:26:00,
DeleteOnly no one is jumping at each others throats.
Only them talking between themselves knowing they fool no one.
Interesting tweet exchange:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1056926652004028417
J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @PollyGraph69
How does this case in any way justify the argument that #Mccann are being 'protected' because they were swinging? If they were? Can you explain its relevance please? Haight was vulnerable as a security risk if compromised. But K&G?
8:12 am - 29 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/PollyGraph69/status/1056937306567966722
Debbie Lee Perry @PollyGraph69
Replying to @JBLittlemore
"what if it isn't K&G being protected? what if all it's to protect someone like Haight, someone who would be compromised if discovered swinging?" #mccann
8:54 am - 29 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1056940957504028673
J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @PollyGraph69
So the supposition is that K & G would have been swinging with powerful individuals? Someone who might be in trouble if found out to be directly involved in illicit sexual activity with the #Mccann s?
9:08 am - 29 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/PollyGraph69/status/1056941920356839425
Debbie Lee Perry @PollyGraph69
Replying to @JBLittlemore
answer is yes but not illicit. Swinging is not illegal but it does cause damage if discovered. #mccann
9:12 am - 29 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1056948188555415552
J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @PollyGraph69
So who are you suggesting it would have damaged? Anyone in particular? #Mccann
9:37 am - 29 Oct 2018
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JBLitlemore,
VIPs who like General Haight would see themselves demoted in their social circles if outed they were there swinging.
To suggest names would be to libel.
Swinging is not illegal but as it has negative repercussions in one’s social and professional life, to accuse someone of swinging, like accusing someone of adultery, can get a person in court.
You, by saying “Highly obvious why” show that you fully understand:
https://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1038067294746935296
J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Someone has been filling me on some sort of link being made somewhere between Maj Gen David Haight demotion for 'swinging' etc., and #mccann case alleged cover up. It makes no sense so far. Can anyone explain?
7:11 am - 7 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1044948366776573952
J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @TheBunnyReturns @Anvil161Anvil16
I also saw thread re a Gen D Haight, demoted for his swinging/affairs lifestyle. The ques was asked "If all was legal, if all was consensual, if no one cares these days about whether one is a swinger or not, why would he be a possible victim of blackmail?" Why related to Mccann?
6:54 am - 26 Sep 2018
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https://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1044951081850146816
J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @Anvil161Anvil16 @TheBunnyReturns
If the context is re the T9 being swingers I do not understand how the DH example is relevant? I also think there was no need for the question as to why he would be a poss victim of blackmail. Highly obvious why.
7:05 am - 26 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/The_Truth_II/status/1056945126428286978
ReplyDeleteThe Ponce of Dubai @The_Truth_II
No one gives a toss if it was the Queen herself swinging with Pedro the man who runs the donkeys on the beach #mccann
9:25 am - 29 Oct 2018
But then says this:
https://twitter.com/The_Truth_II/status/1056949098941739010
The Ponce of Dubai @The_Truth_II
Replying to @PollyGraph69
So the British army demote swingers? Never happened on any establishment I’ve served at in 22 years I’ve known many higher ranking swingers & wife swappers,they were sniggered at
9:41 am - 29 Oct 2018
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So which is it? Do people don’t give a toss or do they snigger at who is?
Another who can’t see mummy being dragged on a swinging jolly:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/1056946691734151170
Oddityfinder @oddityfinder
Replying to @JBLittlemore @PollyGraph69
Hmm, Would F & D have dragged along dear ole mummy on a swinging jolly, can't see it some how?:))
9:31 am - 29 Oct 2018
But it seems that F & D would have dragged along for this:
https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/1054696876249878529
Oddityfinder @oddityfinder
Replying to @lordspencer @DavidHuddo and 6 others
My theory- M ws never in apt5a, but, delivered after her ordeal badly damaged, hence Kt book & her vision of M leaving, pleading w her, Don't leave me M, Don't leave me, Maybe CPR attempt failed, Kt mentioned, witness hd overheard two people talk, Why did u bring body back here?
4:31 am - 23 Oct 2018
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Plus, all those we have mentioned in our post 28 questions, would be fine with being dragged into the above as well:
https://textusa.blogspot.com/2018/03/28-questions_16.html
https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/1056946691734151170
ReplyDeleteOddityfinder @oddityfinder
Replying to @JBLittlemore @PollyGraph69
Hmm, Would F & D have dragged along dear ole mummy on a swinging jolly, can't see it some how?:))
9:31 am - 29 Oct 2018
https://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1056950164445913088
J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @oddityfinder @PollyGraph69
I can't either. It seems insane that it has all turned into a poor 3rd rate sleazy crime thriller plot. Too may loose holes to hold it all together.
9:45 am - 29 Oct 2018
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So swinging is sleazy? How interesting.
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1056953248769204225
ReplyDeleteMadeleine CaseTweets 🌐 @McCannCaseTweet
Replying to @PollyGraph69 @The_Truth_II
I disagree with the swinging theory wholeheartedly. There is absolutely no proof that McCanns were swingers Why would they go all the way to Portugal to swing in a tiny apartment? #mccann
9:57 am - 29 Oct 2018
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Hmmm… is St Phunurius “a tiny apartment”?
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2016/03/maddie-swinging.html
And what do you have against Ocean Club’s tiny apartments? Didn’t Philip Edmonds decide to vacation in one of them?
In fact, looking at the names on the booking sheets and seeing some names there, it seems Ocean Club’s tiny apartments were quite dandy indeed!
And… HOW INTERESTING:
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Madeleine CaseTweets 🌐 @McCannCaseTweet
Replying to @JBLittlemore @TheBunnyReturns @PollyGraph69
We have two villas in Portugal same area, one of them we rent. Just last year we had a PT minister stay because they had children and the Golf Club is gated self contained w/ supermarket, cafe, restaurant, adult and kid pools #easylifestyle #mccann
10:57 am - 29 Oct 2018
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PT minister, gated Golf Club with supermarket, café and restaurant. The least it can be said is that it is posh.
These people simply do not give up, do they? We understand, they are the bottom of the barrel so they must go on…
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Madeleine CaseTweets 🌐 @McCannCaseTweet
Replying to @JBLittlemore @TheBunnyReturns @PollyGraph69
Sometimes people try to find oddities where they don’t exist..I’ve done it myself. Sometimes a bit of reflection can clear things up.#mccann Truth is McCanns have said and done things that mount as evidence against them, but as Supreme Court said, not yet sufficient for charges
11:17 am - 29 Oct 2018
https://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1056975528287178754
J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @McCannCaseTweet @TheBunnyReturns @PollyGraph69
Sadly many don't seem willing to reflect but rampage on with their unfounded theories. There is much that appears to justify doubt in #Mccann story but, as you say, the PTSC confirmed there is insufficient evidence for charges of any kind.
11:26 am - 29 Oct 2018
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If the case is still open, how can the Portuguese Supreme Justice Court have said anything about whether charges can be brought or not in this case?
Seriously how backward do you think the Portuguese justice system is?
We know that’s your objective, to convey the idea that the McCanns are guilty but that they and whoever else is involved are never formally charged.
The case was about whether Sr Amaral could write the book. And whether, if he couldn’t, he had damaged the McCanns.
However, without any implications to whatever charges may or may not come from a currently open investigation, the Court stated what were the proven facts so far. That’s it.
Trying to convince people otherwise is clearly to have a clear agenda. To make them participate in the “McCann trial”
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-mccann-trial.html
Basically, you didn’t give a damn about Maddie, you didn’t give a damn about Sr Amaral’s family and now you don’t give a damn about the McCann twins.
The joke of the day:
https://twitter.com/JBLittlemore/status/1056949170836332547
J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @PollyGraph69
Let me get something straight. I am not a pro #Mccann My position is clear, I doubt the #Mccanns - beyond doubt! But I also despise fantastic imaginings or speculations about the case when the records are what should be speaking to us all. And I have no interest in your secrets!
9:41 am - 29 Oct 2018
You are indeed a doubter. A doubter of the McCanns, a doubter of the dogs, a doubter of whether the case can ever be brought to justice so best let it linger in the land of myth and let the McCanns end up with all the blame for the hoax.
And as Anonymous 29 Oct 2018, 18:49:00 has noted, wasn’t Isabelle McFadden so optimistic about the outcome of this case after, allegedly, having talked on the phone with one of the OG officers?
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1056715275783925762
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Replying to @mikemcmonagle @Geordie_Patriot
That is a fabrication, Cadaver dogs are admissible in court Ruled on by the US Supreme already 4 times also admitted in UK and French Courts Recently Portugal Supreme Court ruled that the Cadaver dog alerts in #McCann case are entered into proven facts, giving future precedence
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dqo08FMU8AEeIpY.jpg
6:12 pm - 28 Oct 2018
[Picture attached to the tweet above says the following:
”In 2013, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that evidence obtained by a well-trained dog was admissible in court and not a violation of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution”]
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Now we’re confused. Are the dogs proof or not proof??
We say they are.
It seems that the US Supreme Court says the same. As did the Portuguese justice system.
Quite well explained here (besides a personal consideration about Theresa May which we don’t agree that should have been made, although we respect the individual opinion expressed):
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The Ponce of Dubai @The_Truth_II
Replying to @PollyGraph69
No one gives a toss if it was the Queen herself swinging with Pedro the man who runs the donkeys on the beach #mccann
9:25 am - 29 Oct 2018
https://twitter.com/strackers74/status/1057048941336911872
Elaine Strachan @strackers74
Replying to @The_Truth_II @PollyGraph69
I don't think many of us would give a shit Ponce, but say this "VIP" was Theresa (sorry (sick emoticon)). She would want it covered up & it could be a matter of NS for her. BS for me as I don't care who shags who but I see both scenarios. What if T9 didn't have a choice in covering it up?
4:18 pm - 29 Oct 2018
Also well explained here:
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J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
Replying to @PollyGraph69
How does this case in any way justify the argument that #Mccann are being 'protected' because they were swinging? If they were? Can you explain its relevance please? Haight was vulnerable as a security risk if compromised. But K&G?
8:12 am - 29 Oct 2018
https://twitter.com/aacg/status/1057048600369418242
AnneGuedes @aacg
Replying to @JBLittlemore @PollyGraph69
It seems the protected one(s) is/are swinging VIPs whose activity, if discovered fortuitously through an inquiry on MMC's accidental death, would have terrible consequences, making the VIPs force the MCs to claim abduction. Notwithstanding there's no coroner institution in PT.
4:16 pm - 29 Oct 2018
https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1056990309219876864
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Replying to @PollyGraph69 @The_Truth_II
Same here, I know your heart is in right place. #mccann I would like to make clear...I have no expertise on swinging lifestyles (3 x crying laughing emoticon)
12:25 pm - 29 Oct 2018
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Why do people say this?
We hear no one saying “I would like to make clear...I have no expertise on paedophilia” when discussing paedo or “I would like to make clear...I have no expertise on sedation” when discussing sedation, but we see the need for people to justify that they aren’t swingers just in case people may think they are!
Why? Is there a social stigma attached? Really? And here we here thinking no one cared about it…
That explains why one of the most common accusations we get to show how disgusting they think we are is to say that we’re swingers.
If we were, would that make us disgusting? Apparently it would.
https://twitter.com/PollyGraph69/status/1057213669422125056
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Anyone interested in the swinging here you go
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/love-sex/sex/tips/a20422/swinging-swinger-orgy-truth-sex-fetish-party/
#mccann
3:12 am - 30 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/PollyGraph69/status/1057245406277632002
Debbie Lee Perry @PollyGraph69
Replying to @CaroleShooter
or the Telegraph https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/swingers-fetish-club-near-coventry-13491788
5:18 am - 30 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/fiorifan/status/1057266735294898176
Ann-Kristine @fiorifan
Replying to @PollyGraph69 @CaroleShooter
Oh Dear God! That's not far from me. URGH. How yucky.
6:43 am - 30 Oct 2018
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“URGH. How yucky”????
Swinging is legal, no one cares but …. URGH. How yucky.
Eating meat is legal but a vegan/vegetarian might find that URGH, yucky. Literally, "One man's meat is another man's poison".
DeleteVery, very important!
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Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @jules1602x
Pssst. Let's see if Textusa finds this post.
Pic of BRT + Sky News video 4/5/07 - what are the odds of same photographer in same clothes?........
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqoaVTIXcAAP7o3.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqodkDHWsAEPqoE.jpg
4:30 pm - 28 Oct 2018
[Attached, 2 pictures. One of the T9 being taken for questioning on May 4 and the other already posted by the Frog of the Tapas esplanade. Circled in both the same man, a photographer]
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https://twitter.com/mcstravick_mac/status/1056966793573605376
Marykate @mcstravick_mac
Replying to @FragrantFrog @jules1602x
How does this prove there was a BRT
10:51 am - 29 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/FragrantFrog/status/1056982081501360134
Green Leaper @FragrantFrog
Replying to @mcstravick_mac @jules1602x
You can see it in the centre right of the bar photo. Same reporter/photographer in that picture, dressed the same, pictured in Sky News video a.m. 4/5/07.
11:52 am - 29 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/mcstravick_mac/status/1057323807378235398
Marykate @mcstravick_mac
Replying to @FragrantFrog @jules1602x
So where’s the BRT that they dined at. Only an eejit would buy into 8 professional sitting around a cold pool on a miserable winters night. I’ve seen the Tapas it’s no Hilton
10:30 am - 30 Oct 2018
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https://twitter.com/jules1602x/status/1057329127693451265
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Replying to @mcstravick_mac
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqxjOwHWwAAVqnW.jpg
10:51 am - 30 Oct 2018
[Attached, the BRT picture already tweeted by the Frog on Sept 24 and Jan 27 with just a yellow arrow pointing to the alleged BRT]
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Why is this so important?
Because Jules, the person who has said that she has absolute proof that the BRT existed that was given to her by a photographer, has today tweeted as proof of it an image already tweeted by the Frog and not even the latest one.
The fact that we are gleefully bringing it all over to the blog should be a warning sign but if you insist, by all means do continue!
Unpublished Anonymous at 30 Oct 2018, 21:40:00
ReplyDeleteWe are not publishing your comment because it would spoil our surprise!
Not the only surprise but one of them. We will include you in the post!
It is quite entertaining to see them make a fool of themselves, isn't it?
DeleteMuch like reading DE F (to the most recent readers, DE F is part of NT's Lick-Spittle gang) and his vegan holidays, as a friend of ours commented offline...
Why is it that everyone who disagrees with you is automatically said to be in a gang? Does no part of you ever consider how childish, how silly, and how crazy it is to say such things? If not, then there is something seriously wrong with your wiring. No doubt I'll be classed as being a gang member now.
ReplyDeleteAnother question, do you class your 6 defenders, two of whom you can surely see are pros only too willing to help you go on the offensive with antis, as being part of YOUR gang?
All very silly if you ask me. You lost your way some time ago, now all you have left is to accuse others if they don't fall in line with what you say.
Anonymous 30 Oct 2018, 23:22:00,
DeleteIf it’s silly and if it’s childish then don’t pay any attention to us.
About being in NT’s gang, what is the problem with that if he is THE anti to be followed?
To be a member of that gang should be something one should be proud of, isn’t it?
Friends offline, anonymous people sending you messages, you contacting people to cause trouble for others through private messenger, people you have asked to watch twitter and blogs for you, admin 1,2 and 3 for a page that has virtually no traffic, there's only one gang here, and it's run by you. All over some obsession with swingers. It's a wonder nobody has realised why you have this obsession yet. Perhaps I'll leave a message over at watcher's blog to spill the beans. We've all had our hearts broken in the past, not many of us get over that by using a blog to seek revenge over swingers in general though.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 30 Oct 2018, 23:46:00,
DeleteNo one is seeking revenge and no one has obsession with swingers. Nor is anyone's heart broken over a swinger.
A country and a man were wronged. A little girl's memory has been disrespected. If you call that revenge, then that is you saying it, not us.
Textusa 31 Oct 2018 09:40:00 I'm certain nothing and no one will discourage you. It is very interesting to learn from you, the games they're playing; their reactions, your observations seem to have hit the nail on the head. Give us the next instalment soon.
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