Que pena o meu não inglês!Percebo que o Doc....teve uma fúria,descontrolou-se------no Paraíso da Luz!Se ao menos o Marlon Brando (filme,claro) enviasse alguém para fazer "justiça" à italiana....Só enigmas!Também há 1 outro enigma no TTW4!
We have always remarked on the Gaspar statement and what it could mean. The paper that went along with these two statements from a Police Uffice from Leicester Police is just as puzzling...His suspicions to PJ Ricardo...abotu David Payne...Processos Volume XIII, Pages 3909-3915 3909-3915 To: Ricard PaivaFrom: DC 1756 Mike MARSHALLRef: David PayneDate: October 24, 2007 Leicester Police ConstabularyRicardo, As requested, appended are the statements of Arul and Katherina Gaspar. I read with curiosity the written statements given by David Payne but was not able to extricate any other information besides what is already known. He declares that he saw Madeleine, for the last time, at 17H00 on 3/5/07 in the McCann apartment. Also present there were Kate and Gerry. He did not indicate the motive for being there or what he was doing. He also cannot indicate how long he stayed. When asked with whom he was on the afternoon of May 3rd, he declares that this information was already offered to the police and cannot remember if anyone else was there. He does not remember what he was wearing that afternoon. He took part in the searches, having carried out most of them alone. He was at times accompanied by Matthew Oldfield. He did not partake in the searches carried out on the 4th of May, because, on this day, he spent to majority of time in the police headquarters. For many questions, he does not give a complete response, affirming simply that he has already given this information to the Portuguese police in his declarations. I examined once again the declarations of Fiona Payne. In her statements, she states that she went to the McCann apartment, around 19H00, on the 3rd of May, together with Kate. She states afterwards that, 10 minutes later, the husband arrived; it is not clear which husband she refers to. Her responses to the questions are vague. She continued to respond to questions with "they conform with my earlier statement" or some similar statement.
Part of the Gaspar statement that took EIGHT months for PJ to receive.Dr.K.GasparI was sitting between Dave and Gerry whom I believe were both talking about Madeleine. I don’t remember the conversation in its entirety, but it seemed they were discussing a possible scenario. I remember Dave telling Gerry something like “she”, referring to Madeleine, “would do this”.When he mentioned “this”, Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, whilst with the other hand he circled his nipple, with a circulating movement over his clothes. This was done in a provocative manner there being an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was saying and doing.I remember that I was shocked at this, and looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to see their reactions. I looked around (page 4) to see “did anyone else hear this, or was it just me”. There was a nervous silence noted in the conversations of all the others and immediately afterwards everyone began talking again.I never spoke to anyone about this, but I always felt that it was something very strange and that it wasn’t something that should be done or said.Apart from this, I remember that Dave did the same thing once again. When I refer to this, I want to mention again that it was during a conversation, in which he was talking about an imaginary situation, though I could not say precisely what it was about. I believe that he was talking about his own daughter, L., though I’m not certain. He slid one of his fingers in and out of his mouth, while the other hand drew a circle around his nipple in a provocative and sexual manner. I believe that he was referring to the way that L., would behave or would do it.
More concerns from Dr.K Gaspar about bath time...During our holidays, I was more attentive at the bath times after hearing Dave saying that.During our holidays in Majorca, it was the fathers who took care of the children baths. I had the tendency to walk close to the bathroom, if it was Dave bathing the children. I remember telling Savio to took care to be there, in case it was Dave helping to bathe the children and, in particular, my daughter E. I was very clear about this, as having heard him say that had disturbed me, and I did not trust him to give bath to E. alone.When I heard Dave say that a second time, it reinforced what I already thought in relation to his thoughts about girls. During our stay in Majorca, Dave and his wife, Fiona, accompanied by their daughter L., took Madeleine (page 6) with them to spend the day, in order to give Kate and Gerry a bit of rest and time to be with the twins. When I say this, it is not that I was worried about Madeleine’s safety, since she was also with Fiona and L., and also with Dave, as far as I know.
Well, "His suspicions to PJ Ricardo...about David Payne..." I can think that they are only to " english to see","Para Inglês ver" ou para enganar o Português!Ainda por cima, o tempo todo!Maria
I am puzzled by Dr.K Gaspars remark...I can understand Dave bathing his own children but why woukld Dave be bathing Dr.Gaspars children?...Once again were the children all left together in Paynes apartment? Worth thinking about.
The caption in the picture confirms my thoughts on what took place in the apartment.Sex games gone wrong.
Why had L.Payne to sleep alone in the spare bedroom? Why not her sister in her cot or the Grandmother?Granny slept on the most uncomfortable sofa in the living room. Did Maddie sleep alone as well? GA suspected the cots in the parent's bedroom.
Hi Johanna...I think Amaral was right the twins slept with the parents. Madeleine just like in Rothley had her own room...Look at photos with the cots in Maddies room , impossible to move.There seems to have been a lot of beds ,unused, according to the Paynes in their apartment.
Hello all,I've left this comment in Joana Morais too:It has always bothered me why on earth would Dr. Katherina Gaspar STILL let Payne bathe her daughter?! She simply asked her husband to keep an eye on Payne if and when he would be the one bathing the children, which in my opinion does not match with her obvious concern about the previous incident and which she reported to the police:" I remember telling Savio to took care to be there, in case it was Dave helping to bathe the children and, in particular, my daughter E. I was very clear about this, as having heard him say that had disturbed me, and I did not trust him to give bath to E. alone."I really cannot understand nor accept this as normal behavior from a concerned mother! If it was me, after I had witnessed the disgusting finger sucking/nipple rounding incident, I would not want Payne to have any contact whatsoever with my daughter, PERIOD!!! Let alone having him bathing her! No way in hell! But that's just me...Rosie
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Hi Rosie, yes it is bothering me also. I am starting to have a very bad feeling and wonder if the Gaspars even exist.Truly a bizarre comment for a mother to make...
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/GREYSCALE_SNAPS.htmPhotographs of the Paynes on holiday in their very large apartment..You can compare the size of the Mccanns with apartments opposite. Large veranda with sea view...Someone also noticed a child sitting eating what looks like cereal with milk...breakfast maybe...wearing sunglasses and looking very happy...The apartment is up on high from the view behind the child. Paynes apartment...the child sitting having breakfast is thought to be the daughter of the Oldfields.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSxREovLpis&NR=1behind the mask
@IronsideThe girl with the sunglasses eating is L.Payne. The one to the left on DP's Lap is E. O'Brien. The one to the right is L. again.
Thanks Johanna for clearing that...Tanners child nearest to Madeleines size then...John McCann spouting his mouth about the apartment being broken in to...John Mccann saying he called in a few favours...John Mccann left his job to run the Fund...How could he possibly know Madeleine would not turn up any day?...He was sure, sure enough with a heavy mortgage to take the risk...BBCMeanwhile, Madeleine's uncle, John McCann, from Glasgow, countered criticism from those who say the couple were wrong to leave their children alone in their apartment while they ate dinner at a nearby restaurant. "If you look at the layout of that place, it was entirely safe. The issue at stake here was, that the flat was broken into, and wee Madeleine was abducted," he told BBC Radio Five Live. British child abduction experts have flown to Portugal to assist the investigation. Superintendent Graham Hill of Surrey police, who investigated the disappearance and murder of Surrey schoolgirl, Milly Dowler, is among them. The UK's Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP), which works to tackle child sex abuse, has launched a poster campaign appealing for information on Madeleine's disappearance.BBCMeanwhile, Madeleine's uncle, John McCann, from Glasgow, countered criticism from those who say the couple were wrong to leave their children alone in their apartment while they ate dinner at a nearby restaurant. "If you look at the layout of that place, it was entirely safe. The issue at stake here was, that the flat was broken into, and wee Madeleine was abducted," he told BBC Radio Five Live. British child abduction experts have flown to Portugal to assist the investigation. Superintendent Graham Hill of Surrey police, who investigated the disappearance and murder of Surrey schoolgirl, Milly Dowler, is among them. The UK's Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP), which works to tackle child sex abuse, has launched a poster campaign appealing for information on Madeleine's disappearance.
http://twitpic.com/17teizThe loving mother who cannot remember one single sighting
The loving parents suffering from amnesia.'The U.K. newspaper The Daily Mail reported today that Madeleine’s parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, were "distressed" that they had not been informed about a potential sighting. An account in the case notes of a sighting in Amsterdam.'http://blogs.abcnews.com/worldview/2008/08/revelations-as.html
http://www.the3arguidos.info/post25480.html#p25480Transcript of Brian Healy telling reporter 'Its a Farce'
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/03/news-recap-amaral-mccanns-halligen-and.htmlJoanna has a good recap on the case so far...and of course the silence now and mystery surrounding Halligen...
Rosie,Very good observation and thank you for that input. I'm with you there, it wouldn't be a concern, it would quite clearly be a total NO-NO. Myself, I would I've found an excuse and got out of there.Remember, that that is just a statement made to the Police, information that is to be sifted with many others, and that is the Police's job to do it.But you do have to let the Police do their job, and not play a game according to your set of rules.But a good, good point.
http://www.the3arguidos.info/topic6153.htmlROBERT GREEN Speaks out....Please spread this video so that Roberts voice may be heard.Betrayed by Downs Syndrome Society.
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